Homosexuality and God  

Sorry I should have added that I think that we seeing things the way we want to see them. Or rather some people see things the way they want to see things. If the Bible was just taken literally from start to finish we would be in a real awful mess. Hopefully one day we we be able to live and let live. Blessings.

Funny you speak of lost in translation on this and Jesus. Did you know the true translation is the "renewed" testiment (covinent) & not the "new" testiment.

Very interesting! Renewed covenant.. likely because no one can fulfill the 'Old' Covenant without God Himself taking up residence in the heart... transforming, etc, anfd that of course is through the Son.. And then one still can't completely until completely born again, which is only after the resurrection.. Which supports the statement, of us all, and the world, being in a real mess.. Exactly! The Old Testament says we are all flawed (which consequence of imperfection is eventual death) and the reNew-ed Testament/Testimony is we are reprieved through the gospel/"good news". How many people actually see the gospel as good news? But that's the literal ttranslation of "gospel".

Here's the site where the information is found. This is one link, but there is another link there that focuses on the other verse.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibh.htm

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Thanks elk. I will have to check it out and compare with my translation books. Thanks for the info.

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I am looking forward to the responses. I'm not saying I believe one way or another. I agree with you that The Creator should be the one to decide, not me. It ought to be rather interesting to see what people have to say.

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Hello Cyntrow,

Thanks for the great response!

Mutual respect, honoring everyone's basic humanity, a reasonable warriness of any zealots ... yup, I'm good with all that!!!

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I think in this case, referring to "the Norm" is equating normal to the majority. although I may not agree with the wording per se, I am fine with the sentiment.

Right handed people are "the norm" but I wouldn't think anyone would beleive that left handedness was abnormal.

yes ...don't forget that their place is what we call now the "dead sea" that means that the punishment is too strong event their trace is wipe out the earth!!!

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Exactly. It happens in nature A LOT.

The bonobo apes frequently engage in heterosexual and homosexual sex, being noted for lesbianism in particular.

You already mentioned the black swans.

There are two male chinstrap penguins in the New York City Central Park Zoo who have partnered and even successfully hatched a female chick from an egg. Other penguins have been observed partnering this way as well.

Studies have shown that 10-15% of female western gulls in some populations in the wild are lesbians.

Whip-tailed lizard females have the ability to reproduce through parthenogenisis and take on male sexual roles. They are able to reproduce and pass on their full genetic code this way. Geckos also reproduce this way.

Sheep have engaged in homosexual behaviors.

Male dolphins are in a sense bisexual because the male calves temporarily form sexual partnerships to promote bonding. (And among dolphins, the use of the blowhole has even been observed as a receptive orifice)

Fruit flies attempt to mate exclusively with other males.

Beetles, fruit bats and orangutans do it.

And there are many species who have both male and female sex organs and mate according to whichever partner is available.

I could find more examples for you if I took the time to do so. My point is that there are over 450 documented species who have at some point displayed homosexual behaviors. Are you going to tell me that this is a learned behavior? Or that these animals are an abomination against God? If so, that's an awfully wide section of the population of the earth who have been corrupted by some unseen evil. You can hardly argue that this is an unnatural act when a good portion of nature is doing it.

And yes, animals do have sex for pleasure. If it didn't feel good, they wouldn't do it.

This is sooo on point, mmiller26! Thanks for your contributions =~)

Some people can't have children... so does that mean that they are exempt?

P.S. Some countries are extremely over-populated!

First, I didn't say I was a minister or a Reverend. Second, I didn't say I hated homosexuality. Third, you might consider spell-checking your responses before posting. Have a great day!

Yes, but to play devil's advocate. Men and women were created for procreation. Right? So, according to the Hebrew to English translation up above, two men should not lay in a woman's bed together. That doesn't sound like it is wrong. It just means they should find their own bed to be together. Right?

i think when they say womans bed it means that it involves sexual actions and everything that man and woman do. we should not take the bible literally its in a metaphor.

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I don't think they cared much what women did in general :) Women weren't important enough to bother with. My thoughts on it anyways.

That's why women weren't included in the writings. They were done by men only... even today, women aren't allowed to be religious leaders.

Probably because men know we would rule at it ; )

Heheh good point. Maybe that's why they have excluded us and often put women down. They don't want us showing them up.