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Better than Cayce, better than Nostradamus.. email this discussion to a friend?

myLot reputation of 90/100. flowerchilde (6809)   ranked 4 out of 2,242 in the bible3 years ago

..the book of revelation tells us what will happen in the future.. Amazingly for instance, two thousand years ago it was written the world would suffer ecological woes, economic crash, and eventually collapse in a fiery puff of smoke.. Yes, it's me, trying to cheer you up!:)
- But hey, the bible does say that.. I'm wondering how many of you have prayed with tears for this world.. Too many shadows and dark alleys on this old planet.. You know what the good news is? Besides our own salvation?/Rescue
- I'm wondering how many ever entertain the thought that God's great plan of salvation might possibly reach deeper (be more successful) than most seem to think?
- Ten years ago my son (age 16 then) asked me two questions. I wasn't satisfied with my answers.. so I prayed.. and the real answers knocked my socks off. His questions were "why did God put the tree of knowing good and evil in the garden?" and "isn't it great, we get to be an ant farm?" - yes a little cynical for one so young..
[disclaimer: not everyone will be able to make sense of my post, not right away anyway.]
:)

 
 
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tags:  bible, the god of the bible, better than cayce better than nostradamus, revelation, prophesy
 
1. myLot reputation of 87/100. Dan_ul (582)   ranked 599 out of 2,242 in the bible   3 years ago

man I think you have a problem... but then I think that all of us has a problem...
What's my problem? OOOO that's very simple... My problem is that you are freaking me out... and not just a little bit... I mean big time... and I can't understand why...
I can understand that you believe in something, and that's great... but I don't understand what are you trying to say... so if you have a gift you should use it more wisely... and with less passion...;)


myLot reputation of 93/100. slickcut (5997)   ranked 215 out of 2,242 in the bible  3 years ago

Its very simple Dan...she is telling you that instead of sitting around wondering what is happening in our world today and what is to come read the BIBLE especially the book Of Revelation..Thats simple terms.No reason to freak!


myLot reputation of 87/100. Dan_ul (582)   ranked 599 out of 2,242 in the bible  3 years ago

so why not say "Read the bible"... simple, right?:)


myLot reputation of 90/100. flowerchilde (6809)   ranked 4 out of 2,242 in the bible  3 years ago

Dan_ul, part of it is a challenge to think about my son's questions, if one is so minded..


myLot reputation of 90/100. flowerchilde (6809)   ranked 4 out of 2,242 in the bible  3 years ago

..thanks Slickcut, you're the best!:)

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2. myLot reputation of 96/100. peavey (3699)   ranked 5 out of 2,242 in the bible   3 years ago

Speak on, flowerchilde.:)
An ant farm? I'd like to hear more, but be forewarned that I don't believe we're an ant farm for God. You may be making more sense than I think, though.;)


myLot reputation of 90/100. flowerchilde (6809)   ranked 4 out of 2,242 in the bible  3 years ago

hi!:)
...that ended up being the point.. it's exactly because we're not an ant farm, that the world is in the shape it is. And also is why human beings are so imperfect, and why there is suffering, even great sufferings which go on.
- But not only that, but God, being ``Life`` itself, lives through, feels and experiences all sufferings which ever occur! Why would He put Himself through all that? Because He's not creating an ant farm, but the very best - a family (of many beautiful branches, angels..)and an unbreakable paradise...


myLot reputation of 96/100. peavey (3699)   ranked 5 out of 2,242 in the bible  3 years ago

Beautiful. Thank you.:)

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3. myLot reputation of 93/100. slickcut (5997)   ranked 215 out of 2,242 in the bible   3 years ago

You are so right flowerchilde,anything we would like to know is right in the Bible.The book of revelation tells us about everything that will happen,it is so plain for all to see.The problem with it all though is some people do not believe,some people do not even believe in god.I do beleive in god and i know what the Bible says is true,and yes i stand on that word.The things that has been told to us from the Bible, some od it has already happened,and some is happening as we speak.It tells us very plainly what will come to pass and he also told us that when we see these things happening to LOOK UP for our redemption draweth nigh....I made perfect sense from your post and im sure anyone who is a believer will also...When we stand before God on that day,we cannot say we did not know.Thank you for reminding some of those that are in darkness.


myLot reputation of 90/100. flowerchilde (6809)   ranked 4 out of 2,242 in the bible  3 years ago

Hi, Slickcut!
I can't help it! Sometimes I just feel like persuading people about the bible. Especially because it's so common place to fully accept what has been said about the bible.. that it's myth.. or worse a strange fairy tale. I guess it IS all too good to be true! Or sounds that way once we know what it really says. Now the world believes the ultimate reality of life, is death.. and life is anomaly. But what the bible says is that Life is Reality (with a big R, because God Himself IS Life) and death is the "anomaly". I love it that God endowed 'free-will' instead of making us to be robots, or like little children forever. He knew when He created rational creatures (man and angel) all that would occur, but did it anyway, and built the rescue right into everything.. from the very beginning..

[ People don't realize it, but all those mother and child god artifacts and 'myths' are the nations memories of god's promise in Eden, that the savior would be "born of a woman" - Instead they point to these handed down similar memories as a reason not to believe the bible, and declare that the accounts of Jesus are just another 'myth'. We are living in an amazing time! The twilight zone, I call it!! Where man believes life came from nothing and nowhere, and once there were all these half creatures, where the flying squirrel was evolving into the bird.. the whale into the land cow (talk about adult fairy tales!) Yes, all this is taught to our children, and has been taught in the schools and especially the colleges for a long time now.. And man believes our eyes deceive us and "the seed of each kind" isn't really in each kind, but changes.. and matter doesn't fall apart, it evolves into life.. pluck the leaf from the tree and it turns green ya know.. But it all makes me smile. Because truth will triumph so victoriously, that ALL wiLL believe. As I know the bible says all will be resurrected, then there is judgement day. Well, that's going to have to be a very, very LoNG day. And it doesn't say "anyone not believing, will go to the 2nd death" until aFter everyone has experienced being resurrected and lived through and witnessed the very, very long day of the examining of all things and history and lives.. After all that, who's not gonna believe? "All things in heaven and earth are being gathered back into Him" Colossians 1:20.]

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4. myLot reputation of 93/100. brian_s (386)   ranked 422 out of 2,242 in the bible   3 years ago

I don't think that most people realize that until a couple hundred years ago, the majority of Christians did not think of Revelation like most Christians do today. The whole "Left Behind" type thinking is very new, compared to other schools of thought concerning that book.

I believe that while the there are things in the Bible that have yet to come true (Christ coming to judge, His people receiving consummation of their salvation, and the others punishment, etc), that the majority of revelation was speaking in symbolic terms about a very near event (the destruction of the temple and Jeruselem in 70AD).

Look through Revelation and search for some of the things in the text (sun, moon, sea, etc), and see what kind of language you find in the old testament that referred to rather normal looking events. The symbols had a very mysterious sound to it, but that has to do with the Jewish use of symbol at the time.

You would be surprised how many great Christians of the past held this type of view. It may be worth looking into, if not to believe yourself, at least to understand one (of a couple) views that were held for millennia before the current popular evangelical view.


myLot reputation of 90/100. flowerchilde (6809)   ranked 4 out of 2,242 in the bible  3 years ago

..I've never read the whole "left behind" stuff.. I know Mathew 24 says "immediately aFter the tribulation of those days.. He will send out his angels to gather the elect from the four corners/directions of the world". I have about the bible being allegorical, and I find myself thinking that life itself is allegorical.. You see, man's world and empires simply have to one day crash.. and Israel always knew that this was what fiery judgement was (whether in one's own life, or a nation.. or ultimately the world, and not an eternal 'hell' which is actually a greek, and gnostic type of belief). I wrote a seventy three page book about the Book of Revelation/Apocalypse and published it on lulu.com. It all makes perfect sense to me.. you can plainly see it taking shape in the world today.. There's intricate footwork in the hooves of the four horsemen of the apocalypse (and in one other place) which hides most of the message, and there's five characters, or latter day 'bad guys' (but only one is an actual person, or rather, an office, and no, it's NOT the Pope! Tho another one of the 'bad guys' started out as a man (pretty much). Apocalypse is a living parable that will be deeply etched on the heart of all.. and it's the story of every person, every nation and people, and the world. Apocalypse started way back with Lucifer.. and Cain.. [It's also the 2nd Law of Science! the natural law, called the Law of Entropy, which is the second most held and recognized law of science. That is to say, things this side of Perfection are in a state of falling apart.]
- thanks for your post.. I see in some ways we are agreeing, and maybe in others, perhaps not so much..
:)

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5. myLot reputation of 90/100. yanjiaren (5097)   ranked 229 out of 2,242 in the bible   3 years ago

Well I hope God starts a contest, that would be fun lol. About an ideal recue pklan for mankind, and whoever wins get's to sit at Hist table every day upstairs lol. I often have this terrible sense of Humour but God knows me and because I have been through a lot, He knows I have to be a bit funny sometimes so I don't become too cynical and lose it. I am still baffled by your post but one day my pea brain will get it lol..hahahaha


myLot reputation of 90/100. flowerchilde (6809)   ranked 4 out of 2,242 in the bible  3 years ago

...actually, you're quite right.. and I hope you don't mind my saying so.. but according to the bible, Jesus sits at the 'table' you mentioned, it says he overcame the grave for all and then "sat down at the right hand of God waiting til all things are subdued by it.."
- But I think there's lots of truth in all great religions - the meditation from Indian mystics (wow!).. the (I can't think of the word!) from China.. Would that be the "Tao"? No people are wiser or more inspiring than the Chinese people! I can't wait til oneday we all learn from one another.. and celebrate being the great family we are. Don't mind me, after thirty years of study, I've realized that ultimate reality (the 'end' result) can only be the ultimate best possibility.
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6. myLot reputation of 96/100. singlepixel (642)   ranked 846 out of 2,242 in the bible   3 years ago

I got your point. but sometimes when you think too hard, it may not do you any good. We know that Jesus was a simple man but full of wisdom. the Bible teaches us that don't think too much of the future for the future(tomorrow) has its own worries. We may not be able to see the end of the world as predicted in the Bible as there are a lot of other causes for people to die young. So, i think the most ideal for a Christian to be is to be pure now/present, live a simple life, do good, don't stop to pray and let God take care of the future. (but then, of course we plan things for the future - but by God's will, it may happen, it may not)

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7. myLot reputation of 94/100. Lakota12 (16679)   ranked 173 out of 2,242 in the bible   3 years ago

hmmmmmmm I am still waiting for this answer


myLot reputation of 90/100. flowerchilde (6809)   ranked 4 out of 2,242 in the bible  3 years ago

..it occurred to me, that it was exactly because we're not an ant farm, or robots, etc, that the world and life is in the shape it is. But what was God's other option? And also, because of it (because God endowed man and angel with thinking ability, and thus the ability to make choices) the 'end' result will be not only good and great.. but the best possible of all possible outcomes or results. I.e. He's not creating an ant farm, but the best, a family!
- And it also occurred to me that the reason the tree of knowing good from evil (of knowing life from death, true from untrue) is because God can only be true/honest. and as soon as He endowed thinking ability, a whole new world (or tree) of possibilities 'came to be'. So there was that tree in Eden! [The best news of course, is that He built the rescue right into life from the beginning..]
thanks, Lakota! for posting, and have a good day..


myLot reputation of 94/100. Lakota12 (16679)   ranked 173 out of 2,242 in the bible  3 years ago

your most welcome

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