Some say schools giving Muslims special treatment   

I agree with you, but I think there are going to be long and hard fought battles over this, and I think we saw this coming, and its been slowly happening over the country, to include special meals during Muslims Holy Holidays.

But right now 'some' places are really trying to give muslims extra consideration because they are so many times crying discrimination, because the Terrorists Groups like Al-Qaida are a faction of Muslim religion to an extreme....

So I think people are afraid that if their demands are not given into then there will be a lawsuit of discrimination, when in actuality they are opening themselves up to lawsuits from others for discrimination.

mooch

umm. i will keep this short. here my thought on this issue.

the prayer room bit is nice..but the foot baths is not really necessary. the prayer room could be used by other religion, i see nothing wrong with that as long the room kept clean. and the student who prayed there should bring their own mat.

as for the extra recess. i think in the school hour, there only one prayers only. the other they can do it at the mosque or home. however giving extra recess for this would seem special treatment from the others perspective. there are solutions to this. seem like this goes longer than i intended too.

before i end this i would like to ask a question. a muslim need to do 5 prayers a day, everyday. each has to be done within a time limit. as im not that knowledgeable about other religion. so here the question.

are there any other religion that have time specific things need to be done everyday? i suppose there is, but all the same please enlighten me.

To my knowledge, only Islam has such strict, strangulating rituals that prevent devout Muslims from intregrating without special accomodation.

I don't need a special room to pray, and I don't have to bathe before I speak to God either.

They don't deserve any more considerations and accommodation then do those of other faiths. Definitely not to these extremes. It isn't as though they are special or deserve preferential treatment.

You know, they have removed recess and phys ed (gym) entirely from many schools to save money (at the detriment of our childrens physical and mental well being) but they are willing to give recess time to ONE particular religious group? Something is VERY wrong with that picture and our founding fathers must be spinning in their graves!

It doesnt stop at footbaths and prayer mats
Major corporations are installing bedays for these people
You know those special toilets that squirt water to clean your behind?
All because these people dont beleive in using toilet paper.

I have not heard of corporations installing bedays for them. That is a bit much.

At the end of 2005 I was working in Houston and one of the employees was Muslim. He brought his prayer mat to work and prayed, but it was on his lunch hour. I don't see a problem with that, he was doing it on his own time. Other than that, there were no special concessions made for him. In my opinion, that is how it should be for everyone.

I also worked with some Muslim gentlemen who did the same thing. It was not a problem, and they asked for no special treatment. They were well liked by everyone.

Now don't forget the hypocrisy that goes with this....

They don't like the word 'God', it is supposed to be 'Allah'. Yet they don't seem to have a problem with our money, that just happens to say 'In GOD We Trust'. I wonder if people will actually stand up and scream if the government tells them they will have to pay to print new money that says 'Allah'?

UMMM
If it gets to that point where we have to print new money for them
I am leaving, I will go to Canada or Mexico or the middle of nowhere right smack dab in the middle of the ocean on some deserted island.
I wonder how much our government really expects us to tolerate
These people are living here tax free and are being handed everything while our citizens are struggling to raise our families.

Maybe if someone DID propose that Allah be printed on our dollars people would finally wake the hell up and realize that our very civilization is being taken down peice by peice and given away to whoever b!tches the loudest.
You know people in America won't tolerate having their MONEY messed with!
Maybe WE need to set up our cmps for "citizens only" and train in weaponry? Oh no, I suppose that would be violating the aliens civil rights wouldn't it? And the "right to keep and bear arms" only applies to those who wish us harm lately anyway.

America is based on immigration! I hate to hear such intolerance.

"They" bring disease to your country? What disease?

Americans aren't doing so badly. If so many Americans can afford to be so fat then they are OK

America IS based on immigration. It's when the same immigrants (or those here on visas) expect special treatment that we get annoyed.

I'm not sure about the diseases, but I have seen them treat the US citizens like dirt.

And the comment about Americans being fat....
Besides just being RUDE, exactly how much do you know about our economy? Do you even know how many US citizens are living below poverty level?
Yeah. Those families are doing REAL well. NOT!!

Do you consider Russians to be doing well? I believe there are quite a few 'fat' people over there as well.

I was in Russia last year actually. The majority of Russians have a pretty bad time of it. Unless you are prepared to break the law and have friends in high places its hard to get by.

However, it cannot be denied that a society that has such high levels of obesity is not a hungry one. Food in the USA is VERY cheap - much cheaper than in the UK or in many opther countries.

I would be interested to know just what dieseases immigrants are bringing in to America.

It disappoints me to hear people speaking so ill of other human beings

The obesity epidemic can be largely attributed to the result of poor nutrition; poor people can't afford to eat well, so they eat cheap, high calorie, high fat, mass produced food that is filled with preservatives and chemicals. The very thing that makes outsiders think America is so prosperous is the result of poverty.

Organic food healthy food, costs MORE. Many families can't afford it, so they eat what they can afford.

Sndcain is correct!
fizzy, that was a very rude and arrogant thing to say about Americans... pretty good coming from someone who's avatar is a picture of FOOD! LMAO!

Yes- an aubergine - its a vegetable! Its not a Big Mac or some other piece of junk food that Americans are renowned for over-eating

..it's normal for people to b*t*ch when they are losing rights but more and more foreigners are moving in and their american rights are increasing.. (like lower college tuition, etc). And I have heard this about diseases from Somalia.. no reflection upon them.. but I do believe it's true. Besides you sound a bit prejudice against american sitizens.. And a prejudice is still a prejudice, even if it's politically 'correct'. The political 'correct' thought is America is to blame.. for whatever... But just because you 'move to the head of the class' doesn't neceassarily mean you did evil to get there.. This was a christian based country and it prospered for that very reason. Not to say we were perfect.. but at least mothers and grandmothers, etc. didn't have to worry about the mortal lives and safety of the children when not in direct eyesight.. What does this have to do with immigration? Perhaps, nothing. But it has to do with throwing over our own roots and embracing everybody else's, while discriminating and seeking to make more and more laws against our own foundation.. and changing the history account also.. Namely there is no phrase "separation of church and state" in the constitution.. but the words are actually.. "Congress shall not have an enforced state belief and faith" (this should include the fAr from proven theory of 'evolution'!) and this phrase continues with the much ignored "and shall noT prohibit the free exercise thereof!"
- "Freedom from religion"? No way! Why'd so many name their offspring Micah and Isaiah, Samuel and the like? This used to be a different type of country.. and thus did we prosper... but we've thrown it away.. Mark my words.

The problem with separate schools is that it breeds even more suspicion and mistrust. You've heard of the Stop the Madressa" campaign? American's don't want Muslim schools because we don't want our children indoctrinated into Islam, and "separate but equal" was found to be unconstitutional.

No, I have never heard of the Stop the Madness and I live in the US. I don't see how them having their own schools will allow our children to be affected by them. It is no different then them having their own churches, which they already have. Many of these kids do go to muslim schools they just are not large schools. Where I use to live in Louisiana there were groups of muslims and people from India that lived in large buildings and they taught the kids. We are talking 100 people to a building. Of course that was waay before Sept 11th. Even after that, they did not change their lifestyle.

..they have a school in NYC and they are not open about what they are teaching.. their t-shirts say something about "Intifada.. NYC"
- What I'm saying is many are skeptical of what they will be teaching in the schools.. Europe is having just such a problem as they tolerate the fiery teachings in the Mosques.. It may be nice to say we shouldn't be suspicious.. but what if we're wrong?

If they teach within the Mosque and it is part of their actual religion, then no one can comment upon what i sbeing said. The school I am referring to are more like home schools. The people live in the same building the school is, they work next door. Personally, for me this is not just about Muslims it is about all immigrants taking over our society. I truly believe that the government needs to step up and get rid of all of the illegal immigrants in our society and not let ANYONE in until we get ourselves together.

why should these kids get special breaks at all? this is not church that we are talking about, this is public school... the objective of public school is to learn math, reading, spelling, science etc... if their religion doesn't allow them time to learn anything other than religion then they need to think of opening a school that will cater to their special needs.
Christians that want to incorporate the Bible into their studies have opened schools to cater to these needs, I'm sure you have heard of Christian schools.
When I was in school I prayed quiet a lot, I did it silently in my head.. and I believe that God was able to hear me without me getting on my hands and knees and reciting a prayer.. I didn't have to take time out to speak to God and I didn't have to have a special room or recess to do it, nor did I expect to be treated differently. I suggest they do the same thing or build themselves a church/school that will allow for their prayer time.

America's enemies are not "Muslims" as a whole but it sounfds like you are saying that's how it is.

What is happening internationally is nothing to do with religion. The majority of Muslims do not agree with what is happening in the supposed name of ISlam.

I can see your point that ALL faiths should be allowed to follow their own customs but I fear you are making Muslims a target when they should not be

How are we supposed to know which Muslims are not against us? They won't stand up and say anything and we can't read minds.

fizzy, anyone who moves or sneaks into our country and MAKES our citizens bow down to their demands... and hide like rats in caves and spew out hate toward any religion that is not Islam and blows away 3000 people in one day.... is our enemy!
sorry if that's not the liberal answer you were looking for but I am certainly not alone in my feelings... and as HighReed stated... how exactly are we to know which ones are the nice ones and which ones are not??.. they don't speak up against the evil ones in their own cult.

I live in the UK so I face the same threats as people living in the US. However, I do not regard the Muslim communtiy as a whole as a threat. I reagrd terrorists as a threat and they can come from any section of the community

perhaps you don't think of them as "the enemy" YET, but if they have their way... one day you will!

I suggest you do some reading up on this FINE religion... they actually are guaranteed a reward in heaven for killing anyone who ISN'T muslim. of course if you are muslim already, you might be safe for a while; but they have no problem killing their own people (especially if they are women).