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Jesus, a descendant of David??? Inconsistencies in the Bible?  email this discussion to a friend?

myLot reputation of 64/100. nickventere (1122)   ranked 1,038 out of 6,501 in religion 5 years ago

It is widely "established" or agreed that he was conceived miraculously, that is, without sexual intercourse between his parents.
However, why is it emphasised that Jesus, the young but ardent religious preacher from Nazareth, was a descendant of David, when he is not considered Joseph's biological son? For, only Joseph - and not Mary - is the descendant of David.
But in all scripture there is a reference that he was a descendant of David, and in the Bible, inMatthew in particular, the lineage is drawn up connecting Joseph the carpenter to David, and not Mary.
Is this one of the inconsistencies riddled in the Holy Bible?


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1. myLot reputation of 70/100. LAWise520 (235)   ranked 1,521 out of 6,501 in religion   5 years ago

Because Mary was a woman, lineage would not have been drawn through her in the first place. But this was god's great thought that a woman, a descendant of David, would produce a child. I have never heard that the lineage was drawn through joseph. I have heard many times that there have been people trying to link Mary, but never joseph since he is on the side in the whole picture. And could it not be that Joseph was also a decendant of david? Most often, sons built homes right beside their father's home, actually attached. This lead to the families staying together. They would often marry within the town as well. In this way, many towns were often people who were related to one main ancestor. This was especially so since the 12 tribes would not inter marry. So, it is easily conceived that both joseph and mary were from the lineage of david.


myLot reputation of 52/100. SEOGUY (552)   ranked 436 out of 6,501 in religion  5 years ago

LaWise520 I have to disagree with you alittle. In the hebrew tradition (jewish) you are hebrew by your Mother, not father. Your birthright is passed down to you by your father but being a jew is given to you by your mother. You are not considered a jew if your mother is not a jew. The problem came about when the text were changed by the Church of Rome to hide the importance of Women. The second account of the liniage of Jesus is actuly though Mary not Joseph. It was changed by the Church to downplay the importance of women. that is why it gives different names and a different son of Solomon. So it was this line from wich Jesus came, not through Joseph becouse you will also read that the son of Solomon thatt Joseph came from was a dissinherited line, but not Mary's. But I did like your answer

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2. myLot reputation of 48/100. revdauphinee (4113)   ranked 2,088 out of 6,501 in religion   5 years ago

mary also was a decenDANT OF David
AND JEWISH HERITAGE IS PASSED ON THROUGH THE MOTHER NOT THE FATHER
It's been said that Judaism is "more like a nationality than like other religions," because traditionally, a person must be born Jewish or go through a lengthy conversion process. The strictest definition of a Jew is one whose mother was Jewish.
This doctrine of matrilineal descent has been part of Judaism since at least the second century C.E. (common era), when it was codified into the Talmud, the body of religious writings that supplement the Jewish holy book of the Torah. The Talmud expands on the Torah passages of Deuteronomy 7, which oppose intermarriage by Jews. This verse states that the child of a Jewish woman and a non-Jewish man will be Jewish. Other Torah verses admonish Jewish men from taking non-Jewish wives because their children will not be Jewish.
this is why i believe God chose to have Jesus born to a jewish mother!


myLot reputation of 91/100. jillbeth (2270)   ranked 200 out of 6,501 in religion  5 years ago

Thanks for this well-informed comment. So many people have religious misconceptions because they have believed whatever is taught, whether it is correct or not, instead of going to the source, The Holy Bible, for answers. Some also choose to read contradictions into His Word by taking scripture out of context.


myLot reputation of 64/100. nickventere (1122)   ranked 1,038 out of 6,501 in religion  5 years ago

That sounds pretty plausible, but it is the same Jewsih teaching that puts emphasis on lineage being traced through the man, the father. There are several passages in the Bible that illustrate this, apart from that of Jesus that links him to David through, ironically, Joseph the carpenter of Mary's husband!


myLot reputation of 48/100. revdauphinee (4113)   ranked 2,088 out of 6,501 in religion  5 years ago

The Gospel of Luke provides Jesus’ blood lineage through Mary.

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3. myLot reputation of 97/100. Pose123 (8270)   ranked 30 out of 6,501 in religion   5 years ago

Yes the Bible traces lineage through Joseph. You don't hear that talked about much. There are many inconsistencies in the Bible, that's why it's not meant to be taken literally. Blessings.


myLot reputation of 64/100. nickventere (1122)   ranked 1,038 out of 6,501 in religion  5 years ago

Thanks for the blessings. But do you mean Jesus should not be literary taken as a decendant of David, as an outcast?


myLot reputation of 97/100. Pose123 (8270)   ranked 30 out of 6,501 in religion  5 years ago

I meant that everything in the Bible is not to be taken literally. The teachings of Jesus are fine.

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4. myLot reputation of 68/100. visitorinvasion (3623)   ranked 627 out of 6,501 in religion   5 years ago

I had always assumed Mary was a descendant of David.
Can you please post the passages where I may read of this for myself?
Thank you in advance.


myLot reputation of 64/100. nickventere (1122)   ranked 1,038 out of 6,501 in religion  5 years ago

Read the 1st chapter of the Gospel according to St Matthew.

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5. myLot reputation of 52/100. SEOGUY (552)   ranked 436 out of 6,501 in religion   5 years ago

Mary too was decendent of David


myLot reputation of 64/100. nickventere (1122)   ranked 1,038 out of 6,501 in religion  5 years ago

So she could have been (or indeed was) related to Joseph by blood?
The bible clearly states the blood relationship between David and Joseph.
Perhaps you could show us where it relates Mary toDavid. That would be helpful and quite resourceful!
Thanks for your response.


myLot reputation of 52/100. SEOGUY (552)   ranked 436 out of 6,501 in religion  5 years ago

follow this link it will explain better than me.
http://www.carm.org/diff/2geneologies.htm


myLot reputation of 64/100. nickventere (1122)   ranked 1,038 out of 6,501 in religion  5 years ago

Thanks for the contribution.

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6. myLot reputation of 72/100. barehugs (5855)   ranked 844 out of 6,501 in religion   5 years ago

The Bible is a book of Myths. There is not One Historical Factual Instance in the whole book. Check this out for yourself! Most of the bible's myths were copied from Egyptian stories that were supposed to have happened thousands of years earlier in Egypt. There was no miracle birth in a manger. This is just a cute Myth. Makes a Lovely Fairy Story to tell your Kids!


myLot reputation of 64/100. nickventere (1122)   ranked 1,038 out of 6,501 in religion  5 years ago

I do agree with you to the extent that a good number of tales in the Bible were "borrowed" from other peoples and cultures that interacted with the Jews and were modified to suit the needs and desires and hankering of the Jews.
To this day, there are a lot of rituals that have been popularised that were not orignally Christian, but have roots in pagan rites and customs!

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7. myLot reputation of 37/100. Gnosisquest (777)   5 years ago

Among the biblical nonsense the notion of Jesus being descended from David is one of the absurd one's which make thinking people laugh.

The Bible states Mary was a virgin impregnated by the Holy Spirit or God, in other words, only if God or the Holy Spirit is descended from David could Jesus be David's descendant.

The ancient Israelites saw the female as providing the field into which the male sowed his seed. Only the male lineage was important as they knew nothing about the female egg.

The explanations people can dream up in order to excuse their preconceptions never cease to fascinate me.


The explanations people can dream up in order to excuse their preconceptions never cease to fascinate me.


myLot reputation of 88/100. oraclemv (2492)  5 years ago

I have a good one on how to explain the virgin birth. Female ejaculation contains semen, I think women were around long before man came along. Women could fertalize themselves, the process just took longer. Men have nipples and the thingy down below is just an enlarged clitoris. Mary was a fluke of nature, a remmnent of woman's ancient biological system. The Jesus idea of him being the first and the last lines up with this, once a long time ago there had to be a first man born this way, and the last time it happened was with this story. So if a man is born in a female dominated society, of course he will be seen as God like. He was the only man so they worshiped and catered to him. Unfortunately, it was all a mistake to treat him this way, but considering their mindset, he probably was something different and out of this world.

I think I provide a rational explanation and Jesus wasn't really the son of God, just an unexplainable mystery that science can explain today with female ejaculation. Also, female ejaculation is considered a phenomenea, all women should be able to do this but for some reason or another, they don't do it anymore. I do it.


myLot reputation of 88/100. oraclemv (2492)  5 years ago

Is it true, do men really have one more rib than women? The proof of evolution need not go any further than our own biology, we won't find it in any fossil. So if God made Eve from Adams rib, how come man has one more if one was taken away (assuming the myth is true)? That's subtraction, not addition. That bible God must think his own believers can't count and probably why he didn't want Eve to eat from the tree of knowledge...


myLot reputation of 37/100. Gnosisquest (777)  5 years ago

Oraclemv:

Thank you for the response but a female ejaculation does not contain semen. I have known several females that ejaculate and I agree that all women should experience this because these women seem to derive more pleasure than others; I have known several of them.

Our bodies descend from one celled organism which reproduced by splitting and where there was one there became two. Fertilization of an egg happened much later but I doubt very much if a woman can produce sperm. I think a woman or even a couple trying to explain away an unwanted pregnancy is closer to the truth but you have read many of my refutations and know that the Jesus tale is one which was written long after the alleged fact.

Women and men have the same number of ribs, but you are correct in the development of the male sexual organ, it is extremely primitive compared to a woman. The ancient Greeks and others were aware of the fact that a woman was capable of far greater sexual pleasures than the male.


myLot reputation of 88/100. oraclemv (2492)  5 years ago

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myLot reputation of 64/100. nickventere (1122)   ranked 1,038 out of 6,501 in religion  5 years ago

I congratulate you, Gnosisquest, for your explanation. It is quite comprehensive and makes some sense.
I finde it interesting when the first chapter of St Matthew clearly outlines the lineage. It all goes down to Joseph and not Mary. That is where the absurdity is found.


myLot reputation of 64/100. nickventere (1122)   ranked 1,038 out of 6,501 in religion  5 years ago

For Oraclemv:

The female ejaculation may contain semen but it does not contain sperms which are required for fertilisation!

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8. cherry2 (29)   ranked 2,925 out of 6,501 in religion   5 years ago

Nathan was a son of David and Bathsheba and so a full brother of Solomon [1Chron3;5] Mary's father name was Eli[or Heli, luke3,23].It is not mentioned elsewhere but tradition also gives him this name and gives Ann as Mary's mother name.
The father's name is given in the genealogy of luke 3 because no women's name are mentioned in the table.The matthew table gives Joseph's descent from David throught Solomon.
According to Jeremiah 22,24-30 this would prevent Josephbor his seed from occupying David's throne. Coniah[Jer,22-24] is identical with Jechonias[Matt1,11,12] It because Jesus was Mary's seed, 'the seed of a woman'[Gen3,15]and not the seed of Joseph that He is entitled to inherit the throne of David.



myLot reputation of 64/100. nickventere (1122)   ranked 1,038 out of 6,501 in religion  5 years ago

Interesting observation, but, you know, the Bible was written by very intelligent chaps such that any one can come up with anything and justify it.
I believe that the bible was written to be an authority with which free will and knowledge would be curtailed inorder to contain a seemingly dissent peoples. And it did work then and works to this day. You find that a rational being will throw away their power to reason and IQ and channel their thoughts inthe mould that they are required or commaned to flow their thought!

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9. myLot reputation of 57/100. ucanbeasurvivor (353)   5 years ago

I belive in the Bible but don't debate .To me black white either you have Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior heaven bound . Sadly if not you are bound
to a ever lasting fire that never dies out.
As for me I am heaven bound how about you ?


myLot reputation of 64/100. nickventere (1122)   ranked 1,038 out of 6,501 in religion  5 years ago

How do you know that you are heaen bound? And where is heaven?
Well, I wish to respect your belief and faith. It is quite interesting that you can be so confident of what you subscribe to, actually it justifies why you do.
However, interstingly, where do you think your great great grandfather went to? Heaven or "everlasting fire"?

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10. myLot reputation of 66/100. AndriaToh (713)   ranked 1,800 out of 6,501 in religion   5 years ago

As revdauphinee said, Mary was also a descendant of David, and that Luke traces her lineage through Mary. For further details see here: http://www.christiananswe...

Although it was unusual to trace the lineage through the woman, it was not anathema, because the virgin birth was also unusual.

Joseph would have been considered Jesus' father for such purposes. So Jesus is a descendant of David legally through Joseph and through Mary's seed.


myLot reputation of 91/100. indieover35 (1519)  5 years ago

Well Jesus was a descendeant of David. I dont think there is any inconsistency in the bible. God cant allow the bible to have any mistakes or inconsistency. There a lot of things in the bible which is not clearly explained for most people to understand. But the bible is God's Word. And by faith i believe the bible is without any mistakes.

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