LULAC: League of United Latin American Citizens  

I don't know about where you live, but even if you're illegal, where I live you have rights. The right to walk in to a hospital/doctor's office and get free service. The right to speak Spanish wherever you want and demand that others speak it also. The right for your kids to have a free education.

We don't get free hospital and doctors visits here...well I do but it is through the VA.

My wife does not however, nor can we afford any insurance...so it is all out of pocket when she has to go.

The education is not free either...that is paid for through property tax.

Looks like those illegals have it pretty good.

I wasn't saying that everyone gets free medical and education. If you are white, then of course you have to pay. The illegals don't though.

I totally agree with you on all points. Pretty soon there won't be any jobs left for anyone in this country who doesn't speak Spanish and English, unless you want to work in a coal mine or something.

You are probably right about the most qualified person getting the job never being realistic. As for you sounding racist, accept the fact that if you are white, you are racist. I deal with it every day.

Well I am sorry that it pissed you off. This is directed more at Hispanics than any other minority group. If you are a person of color and you get treated wrongly then I don't agree with that. I also don't agree with getting special treatment that you don't deserve just because of your color. I see both sides of the coin where I work. It's never right when someone gets unfairly treated because of their color, no matter the reason. It does go both ways. I guess if you don't mind having a future in this country where most jobs will be occupied by people who aren't qualified, but get them just because of their color, then more power to you and the rest of the country. I for one would prefer having someone who knows what they are doing and not someone who will just take less pay. As I said, if you get unfairly treated because of your color and no other reason, then that is wrong. It still holds true for whites though when they get passed over for a job because they are white, know what they are doing, and therefore would require more pay than a minority. Fair is fair and if our government would do their job, and employers and schools would treat everyone the same, there would be no need for any organization for any race or sexual orientation. We all have our personal experiences in this situation, but to get pissed off and say there's a need for these groups, in my mind, is not helping in the long run.

Well considering I am of hispanic background this does effect me. I have been overlooked all to often because of my ethinc and racial background. There are tons of qualified and educated minorities who get passed up constantly by white people for jobs that they could easily do and are qualified for. Yes there are some companies that will outsource to other placs for cheap labor because they don't want to pay someone who knows better what is truely deserved. However, more often then not it is the minority that is overlooked. I watched over and over a minoirty person trained someone in a company but then gets passed over for promotion time and time again by the same people they train. How is that fair? No I don't think a person should be hired in a job they aren't qualified to do but I don't think one should be over looked either just becasue of their skin color. I deal with racist jacka$$es everyday and if it wasn't for these "whining" groups I'd be stuck cleaning someone's house for a living instead of working toward my law degree. So you can think these groups are a waste of time all you want, but until you've walked a mile in my shoes don't tell me what a waste of time they are.

When I put that this was directed at Hispanics, I meant that my problem is with illegals. You mentioned that illegals are sometimes family members of people in LULAC. That still does not make it right for an organization based in the United States to support illegal activity. I forgot you are part Hispanic. It still does not change the fact that improper practices are done all over in regards to employees. It is not just people who are minorities that are treated unfairly. I don't have to be of color to understand where you're coming from though. I see how people are treated where I work because of their color. However, it goes both ways. I see people of color get treated better because they are the race they are, and vice versa. I get discrimated against on occasion because I am white. I am not saying those groups are a waste of time or whatever. I am saying it's sad that there's even a need for groups like that. Some people will just never get their heads out of their butts and see a person for a person and hire them for the knowledge of the job. I don't need to walk in your shoes to know about discrimination. Just because I am white doesn't mean I don't get discriminated against. It does go both ways.