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 Federal government tells 85-year-old grandmother not to put an angel on Christmas tree
The Plant City Living Center has told Mrs. Arnold, an 85-year-old grandmother in Florida, that federal law prohibits her from displaying any religious words or items associated with Christmas in the common area of her apartment building.
According to the Center, The Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) issued a directive banning "any religious symbols or religious words associated with Christmas." Under the guidelines issued by HUD, the elderly grandmother cannot place a small Christmas tree outside her door (because that area is a "commons area") if it contains any religious symbols or religious words, even an angel!
If the residents want to have a Christmas party in their Community room, they cannot call it a Christmas party. The Center says HUD directs residents not to use the word "Christmas" but to use the word "Holiday."
A Sunday School class from a church near Mrs. Arnold's apartment comes every year to host a Hanging of the Greens and Christmas Party for all the residents. She said the highlight of their Christmas Party comes at the very end of The Hanging of the Greens when someone places the angel on top of their Christmas tree. Their tradition is now banned by the federal government.
The federal government is becoming increasingly active in banning Christianity from the public square. Earlier, the National Park Service removed the wording "Laus Deo" (Latin for "Praise be to God") from a replica of the cap of the Washington Monument in Washington, D.C. and the Veterans Administration banned the script of the flag-folding ceremony mentioning "Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob," and "Father, Son and Holy Ghost" at over 100 national cemeteries. Both of these were rescinded after AFA supporters sent emails to proper authorities.
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1.  blueunicorn (1272) | 3 years ago |  I do think this is going too far. Even if I didn't beleive in Christmas I think everyone should be able to celebrate they way they wish. What could possibly be offensive about an angel at the top of a tree? So now days we can be forced to look at almost nude models on bill boards but we can be stopped from putting up Christmas trees? What is this country coming to? I will admit that I am not Christian, but that doesn't mean everyone around me has to stop their traditions.
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 carmelanirel (6329) | 3 years ago | Exactly blueunicorn, they allow nudity, but not an angel? What is up with that?? | |
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| blueunicorn (1272) | 3 years ago | It's just another example of where our country is going. Our values show in what our government does. | |
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| 2. jillhill (11710) | 3 years ago |  "One nation under God" has surely lost it's impact hasn't it? I am thinking some of these people who are constantly fighting anything religious go form their own nation someplace and leave this nation that was formed "Under God" with liberty and justice for all....
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| 3. dayzz25 (342) | 3 years ago |  That is crazy. People should be able to celebrate whatever holiday they want and how they want. So what if it offends someone that she wants to put an angel on a Christmas tree and call it Christmas. If they don't like it they need to find a way to ignore it or let it go in one ear and out the other. People need to quit taking peoples rights away from them.
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5.  BlueStarMom1 (387) | 3 years ago |  Has our government gone crazy or what. You can call it anything you want but a christmas tree is still a Christmas tree. I know Walmart got a lot of bad publicity a few year ago for changing all of their advertisements and in store signs to holiday and people were talking about boycotting them. Have you ever noticed that I person can say they don't like something and it gets banned. But 50,000 can say they do like it and they get ignored?
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6.  xfahctor (5456) | 3 years ago |  This is astounding. And we're talking about people who grew up in a tim e when this was just unthinkable. It is absolutely a foriegn concept to someone 85 years old that a simple thing like a christmas tree might "offend" some moronic, self absoarbed narcisistic neurotic.
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| 7. jian20 (19) | 3 years ago |  Who exactly in the Feds made this kind of insane directive. Christmas is a holy celebration and it has been going on for hundreds of years now. Why bann a tradition that they themselves celebrate every year, that is unless they are from the church of christ, anti christ or any other form of religion that doesn't have a christmas. Replacing it with the word holiday wont do any good. This is blasphemy!
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| carmelanirel (6329) | 3 years ago | didn't know where to put this, but started another discussion with an update to this.. | |
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| 8. suspenseful (17119) | 3 years ago |  What kind of people are in this HUD to decide what a grandmother should put on a Christmas tree? Obviously they want to do away with Christianity, but do they realize what would happen if America was not a Christian nation?
Slavery: we will still have it and it will not being the Blacks or those with Black in them being enslaved, anybody who cannot pay his or her debts will be enslaved. Prisoners of War will also be enslaved.
People will no longer be allowed rights to defend themselves and torture to extract confessions out of people will be commonplace.
Families will not be able to depend on police to defend themselves unless they attach themselves to an important personage or household.
Unwanted babies will be thrown away, forget just abortion. If one cannot get one, and the child is born, leave them on the trash heaps.
Oh and entertainment, since many religions will now be forbidden, well the boxing matches and wrestling matches will be kept on until the opponent dies, and they may have modern equivalent of gladitorial games.
All right, this may seem the worse case scenario, but once you remove God from the nation, how many generations will be it before America sinks into the barbarity that once ruled the Roman Empire before Christ died and was resurrected.
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| AD11RGUY (653) | 3 years ago |  Uh...I have to politely disagree with your conclusion. First off, the Constitution requires separation of church and state and this is why the government is required to not endorse any particular religion. Being that where this grandmother lives is federal property (HUD owned), to be responsible to the laws that we citizens expect them to be responsible to, they have to forbid any religious symbolisms. Realize that this applies to any Jews, Muslims, Buddhists and other religious people that live there as well. Yes, it's sad, but it is a law that they have to follow. And since we, the people have been very critical of the government for not following the law for a number of years now, it is we who generated this new response.
As for the slavery: Those of us who cannot afford to retire right now and still live well, we are already slaves. To our jobs so we can afford to live. So as you said, "anybody who cannot pay his or her debts will be enslaved." Oh so true. And it's been happening for decades already.
As for the right to defend ones self, it is the law here in America that provides for this, not the presence of any one particular religion. Because of said laws, there will be not torture. As a matter of fact, it was the Christians who used torture to extract confessions out of people a long while ago. It was called the Spanish Inquisition. The Catholics (yes, they are Christian) used this method for quite a long time.
As for the police situation, the law requires them to protect citizens. There are a number of police who are not Christian and they are just as serious about fighting crime as those who are. The babies being "thrown away" already happens and has been happening since at least the 30's because the "good Christians" condemned women who had children out of wedlock or from an extra-marital affair (God forbid it be with a man of another race!). So this is not new. The wrestling world has gone through great changes so that deaths are virtually eliminated from the sport. They long ago took serious measures to endure that the wrestlers were in good enough health to compete and if not, they were retired from the sport. As many of us know, modern day wrestling is staged. They rehearse their moves, just like in ballet, make corrections and deliver what seems to be a most violent wrestling match, but everything is calculated and planned. They essentially are actors now.
So, in conclusion, I don't see any of the changes you predicted happening. I, as a Christian, accept and respect the laws of the land I live in, even if I personally don't like them or disagree with. The great thing about being an American is that I (we) can take action to change the laws we don't like. Yes, it's time consuming and challenging, but very doable. Where else can people do such a thing so freely?
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| AD11RGUY (653) | 3 years ago | Uh...that should read "ensure that they are in good enough health..". Sorry for the typo. | |
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| carmelanirel (6329) | 3 years ago | Um, AD11RGUY, to be polite, you need to realize that the separation of church and government meant that the state can't judge others way of worshiping, not that the church can't be involved in the government. I should get that information out, about time people knows the truth on this..
Will post when I find it, no need to reply here.. | |
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| AD11RGUY (653) | 3 years ago | From Wikipedia under religious Displays...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esatblishment_Clause.
Since HUD owns the property it is federal property. | |
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| carmelanirel (6329) | 3 years ago | I didn't say it wasn't federal property, I said that the meaning of separation of church and state is not correctly translated.. | |
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| AD11RGUY (653) | 3 years ago | You will have to copy and paste the link in the address bar to go directly to the page. For some reason the link from here returns a different page. | |
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| carmelanirel (6329) | 3 years ago | Your link just says that since HUD owns the property it is federal property, correct? I didn't say it wasn't, I know Hub is federal property. | |
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| carmelanirel (6329) | 3 years ago | Oh, and one more thing, they changed their minds, she is allowed to have the angel on the tree.. | |
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| 9. deebomb (9001) | 3 years ago |  So are they going to remove Moses with the ten commandments from the building that houses the U..S Supreme Court
The ten commandments from the oak doors to the Supreme Court courtroom
Are they going to remove all Bible verses etched in stone all over the Federal Buildings and Monuments in Washington, D.C.
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| 10. deebomb (9001) | 3 years ago | So are they going to remove Moses with the ten commandments from the building that houses the U..S Supreme Court and The ten commandments from the oak doors to the Supreme Court courtroom
Are they going to remove all Bible verses etched in stone all over the Federal Buildings and Monuments in Washington, D.C. | |
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| carmelanirel (6329) | 3 years ago | Good news, they changed their minds, I started a discussion on it..:) | |
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