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What is it? The Holy Grail: Famous chalise or royal bloodline?  email this discussion to a friend?

myLot reputation of 92/100. ORyansBelt2012 (2111) 5 years ago

This is going to be the first in a series of religious discussions in regard to historical accuracy, myth, legend, you name it, regarding different icons in the Bible.
The first is the legendary Holy Grail. In your opinion, what is it?
The fabled bejeweled chalise from the last supper that caught the spilled blood of Christ, or a Merovingian royal bloodline descended from Mary Magdelan, purportedly Jesus' wife and the mother of his children?
If you reply to this discussion, read the other replies and comments as I impart what historical tidbits I've read to those.

 

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1. myLot reputation of 97/100. deebomb (10022)   ranked 464 out of 6,502 in religion   5 years ago

The fabled bejeweled chalise from the last supper that caught the spilled blood of Christ. to begin with in my opinion this chalise is purely mith. Jesus was a poor mand so wouldn't have used a bejeweled chalise. there is nothing in the bible to indicate that any chalise was used to catch the blood of Jesus. Also there is no real basis for Mary Magdelan being the wife of Jesus or for her to have His children. I believe that both are myths. Yes Jesus loved Mary but his love for many others are also recorded.


myLot reputation of 92/100. ORyansBelt2012 (2111)  5 years ago

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2. myLot reputation of 79/100. Lindalinda (3181)   ranked 118 out of 6,502 in religion   5 years ago

I think the Holy Grail is a myth and based in legend. It does not exist same as King Arthur, Camelot and the Nights of the Round table did not exist.
As for a Royal bloodline - this theory was postulated in Dan Brown's book the Da Vinci Code. It is fiction and it is presented as such.


myLot reputation of 92/100. ORyansBelt2012 (2111)  5 years ago

I agree on the royal bloodline depicting in The DaVinci Code as being based in fiction... but, almost two millenia of European worship also bases that theory in some fact as well. There have been many claimants over the years to being a direct descendant of Jesus.
When you visit the Shrine of the Black Madonna in Europe, the madonna in question is Mary Magdelan the wife, not Mary the mother.
The Templar Knights believed they were protecting the royal bloodline of Jesus.
There are religious factions throughout Europe who subscribe to this belief as well.
As far as the cup theory goes...it's pure misrepresentation.
The cup in this case is the vessal, Mary's womb, and the blood of Christ of course is his lineage, his bloodline.


myLot reputation of 79/100. Lindalinda (3181)   ranked 118 out of 6,502 in religion  5 years ago

Thank you for this information. I did not know about the Templar Nights or the Black Madonna.

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3. myLot reputation of 93/100. worldwise1 (6189)   ranked 15 out of 6,502 in religion   5 years ago

I think that whatever the original meaning of the Holy Grail was, ORyans, it has become corrupted by successive generations of religious and non-religious people who have completely distorted the meaning. It, like many other things dealing with Christianity, has fallen victim to the interpretations of whomever wished it to be whatever they wanted. My earliest belief was that it was an embellished cup that was used by Jesus.


myLot reputation of 93/100. worldwise1 (6189)   ranked 15 out of 6,502 in religion  5 years ago

Also, as for your comments about Jesus being married, that's pure hogwash. The Bible lists the things that Jesus admitted to not knowing. Among them(7, I think), was the way of a man with a maid. I don't have chapter and verse right now, but I will look for it.

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4. myLot reputation of 90/100. pastorkayte (1075)   ranked 113 out of 6,502 in religion   5 years ago

This is a Gnostic myth, they have a book called the gnostic gospels, they created books that they wanted added to the bible. They were told that they would not be added because they were not part of the canon. They chose the books by their authenticity(from the scrolls), by apostalic identification, witnesses to the fact and by their ability to mesh in their entirety with all the other books of the bible. The Gnostics wanted their heretical beliefs added to the bible so they created their own gospels, they wanted to undermine the authority of the bible. One of the books called the book of Thomas blatantly says something that would go against everything the bible says..

It says that at the end of the so called book of Thomas:

Simon Peter said to them (the disciples): Let Mary leave us, for woman are not worthy of Life." Jesus said, I myself shall lead her, in order to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit, resembling you males. For every woman who will make herself male will enter the kingdom of Heaven.

Jesus would not tell you in one part of the bible that homosexuality is a sin and then change his mind by making her a lesbian to get into heaven, nor would Jesus say that women cant go to heaven when he planly tells women that they too will inherit the kingdom.

So these books were dismissed as heretical and deemed crazy by the church.

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5. kplcofak (22)   ranked 5,207 out of 6,502 in religion   5 years ago

The grail to which you refer is a cup. It is myth. In Jewish culture the feast(Passover) they were celebrating was done with a clay cup that looks nothing like the portrayal. There is no historical record of any cup being present at His death. The whole conspiracy theory of a cover up is a lie. "The devil is a liar and he decieves the whole world."(paraphrased) Jesus had no wife, and I can't even follow your rationalization of homosexuality and bloodlines. I hope this helps. I like the subject of the post. Thanks

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