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myLot reputation of 88/100. kimberlyjt (937) 5 years ago

This is a email I recieved about dog ownership in Texas. It is a concern for all dog owners, not just the breeds being targeted for removal, as no breeds have been named. It is an act to create stricter dog ownership laws.

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San Antonio is considering one of the worst dog ordinances I have ever seen. Below is the proposed language--read it very carefully and keep in mind that the definition of enclosure includes your house and fenced yard.

PLEASE--fax, call & email (addresses & numbers below)! Talking points are provided below.

This is a bad law and can set precedent for other cities. The vote is this Thursday, 12/13/07, so you have two (2) days to really make your voice heard and this is when it COUNTS!


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Zandra Anderson
TEXAS DOG LAWYER http://www.texasdoglawyer.com/

Sec. 5-147 Keeping of vicious animals.



Any animal owned or kept shall be determined to be vicious if:

(a) Because of its physical nature and vicious propensity it is capable of inflicting serious physical harm or death to human beings and would constitute a danger to human life or property; or

(b) Without reasonable provocation habitually has behaved within the enclosure in which it was being kept in such a manner that the owner thereof knows or should reasonably know that the animal is possessed of tendencies to attack or bite; or

(c) It commits unprovoked acts while in the enclosure in which the animal was being kept and those acts cause a person to reasonable believe that the animal will attack and cause bodily injury to that person or

(d) An animal which acts in a highly aggressive manner while in the enclosure in which the animal was being kept and appears to a reasonable person able to jump over or escape.





Here are some talking points:



¦ "Physical Nature," "Vicious Propensity," & "Serious Physical Harm" are NOT Defined. This ordinance addresses animals in general, but is really meant to go after dogs. What is a vicious propensity? All dogs will bark and all dogs will defend their owner and owner's property. So, any dog in the city from a Chihuahua to a Mastiff can declared vicious at the whim of whatever animal control decides it will be since these terms are NOT defined.



¦ "Constitute a Danger to Human Life or Property" is NOT defined. Any dog can constitute a danger to human life because any dog can bite. A danger to property? Does this mean that if a dog gnaws something like a fence or door that it is a danger to property? If so, all dogs in San Antonio are in trouble because there are NO definitions.



¦ This Ordinance is aimed at dogs that are in an enclosure which includes their own yard and house. So, are we now going to punish dogs for barking at the fence? Or will it be a growl? Dogs historically have protected their owners and their owner's property. Are we now going to declare them vicious for being what they are genetically meant to do? So, after the passing of this ordinance are all dogs supposed to suddenly be ridded of their genetics and sit silently in their yard and house while trespassers and intruders come in? This ordinance is asking the dogs of San Antonio not to be dogs. It makes no sense.



¦ This Ordinance punishes the very people who are trying to do the right thing and keep their dogs in an enclosure or in their house. Are you now suggesting that owners chain their dogs or turn them loose in the City?



¦ This Ordinance punishes dogs for even thinking about protecting their owners and the owner's property. Keep in mind that the Ordinance is punishing dogs without anything ever occurring but a bark or a growl. Are you punishing dogs for lusting in their hearts? For merely thinking about being protective? So is Animal Control now going to be the Doggy Thought Patrol?



¦ The fees that can be racked up during a vicious dog proceeding are charged against the owner regardless of the validity of the claim. This is a way to take away dogs without any valid claim because the fees are too expensive for the owner to pay.



¦ This Ordinance discriminates against those people who are least able to pay to defend these claims or to get their dog out of animal control due to impoundment fees.



¦ More dogs will needlessly be killed by this new ordinance. This ordinance is like a Medieval witch hunt and will kill innocent dogs for simply being a dog, and because their owners are unable to pay the fees to get them out of animal control.



¦ This law allows anyone to say they believe your dog will attack and then your dog is deemed vicious and seized EVEN THOUGH THE DOG WAS IN YOUR OWN YARD OR HOME! This gives free reign to neighbor bullies to file claims to rid the neighborhood of whatever dogs they don't want around. This law ushers in a great potential for unfairness.



¦ Most people would be very glad if animal control could keep stray dogs from running loose in the city. Now they are going to target dogs in their own yards and houses? This makes no sense. With the little funding that animal control gets it makes a lot more sense to use that money to keep the streets free of packs of stray dogs. Which do you think pose a greater danger--dogs in their own yard or house OR a pack of feral dogs running loose?



Pam Hernandez: the activist to contact
APBT4me@satx.rr.com


General Fax Number for City Council if individual number does not work (210) 207-7027

Address for all:
City of San Antonio
PO Box 839966
San Antonio, TX 78283
Mayor Phil Hardberger
Phone: (210) 207-7060; Fax: (210) 207-4168
E-mail: mayorphilhardberger@sanantonio.gov

City Manager Sheryl Sculley
Phone: (210) 207-7080; Fax: (210) 207-4217
E-mail: citymanager@sanantonio.gov

Councilwoman Mary Alice Cisneros
Phone: (210) 207-7279; Fax: (210) 207-6931
E-mail: maryalice.cisneros@sanantonio.gov

Councilwoman Sheila McNeil
Phone: (210) 207-7278; Fax: (210) 207-4496
E-mail: district2@sanantonio.gov

Councilman Roland Gutierrez
Phone: (210) 207-7064; Fax: (210) 534-1931
E-mail: district3@sanantonio.gov

Councilman Philip Cortez
Phone: (210) 207-7281; Fax: (210) 678-0099
E-mail: district4@sanantonio.gov

Councilwoman Lourdes Galvan
Phone: (210) 207-7043; Fax: (210) 212-4860
E-mail: vsalazar@sanantonio.gov

Councilwoman Delicia Herrera
Phone: (210) 207-7065; Fax: (210) 207-8760
E-mail: district6@sanantonio.gov

Councilman Justin Rodriguez
Phone: (210) 207-7044; Fax: (210) 207-7027
E-mail: district7@sanantonio.gov

Councilwoman Diane Cibrian
Phone: (210) 207-7086; Fax: (210) 949-0439
E-mail: diane.cibrian@sanantonio.gov

Councilman Kevin Wolff
Phone: (210) 207-7325; Fax: (210) 207-7027
E-mail: kwolff@sanantonio.gov

Councilman John Clamp
Phone: (210) 207-7276; Fax: (210) 207-8777
E-mail: john.clamp@sanantonio.gov

 

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1. myLot reputation of 19/100. UnselfishShellfish (1081)   ranked 2,544 out of 7,859 in dogs   5 years ago

The claims are valid. Vicious dogs, whether it be a chihuahua or a poodle need to be taken care of. But like the talking points said, what is an enclosure? What is vicious? Does that mean if my dog snaps at the mailman as he climbs my fence to rob my house that I have to put him down?

The bill is an idea to help control vicious dogs that are allowed to run lose or allowed to be in a backyard fenced in yard but the fence is not tall enough, but until the specifics are definied such as the fees, who can report a vicious animal, the reporting process of reporting a vicous animal and what the requirements are that a "vicious" animal has to have, the ordinance will never pass. It's too vauge. Vicious could mean snapping at a stranger or mauling an intruder.

Any dog on my own property is my problem. I know my dogs will attack strangers as I've had to call them off before a potential attack. But if YOU come on MY property and see that there are several "Beware of dogs" signs posted clearly in 4 or 5 different locations and you still opt to come in without letting me know, you deserve what you get. It's my house, my property and my control over my dogs.

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2. myLot reputation of 93/100. houndsgood (595)   ranked 304 out of 7,859 in dogs   5 years ago

Its a slippery slope people are on. People being sued for shooting an intruder in their home and now a dog on its own property, in its own home or yard being seized or destroyed. What happened to an intruder coming in when you are not home and the dog biting the intruder? A few years ago, that dog would have been considered a hero and that's what they got for breaking in. Now, according to this, the dog is in the wrong.



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3. myLot reputation of 98/100. palonghorn (4211)   ranked 87 out of 7,859 in dogs   5 years ago

As with any new law, there are always items that need to be further defined, and discussed. However, I have seen and been involved with dogs that were in a yard or on a long line that I wasn't sure was not going to break the lead, or jump the fence to get at me or someone else. And I was not 'threatening' this dogs territory, home, or owner. And I think, just my opinion, the bigger picture needs to be looked at, how many attacks have happened to innocent people, by yes, vicious dogs, and yes a lot of them were pitbulls. Granted most dogs will bark at someone that comes up on the front porch, and I have a Cheasapeake Bay Retriever, from a very reputable breeder.... that said, if someone was actually breaking in our home or trying to harm one of us, she would hurt them. And in that case, the animal activist would look like Cinderella compared to me and the lawsuit that would insue if they tried to put her down! However, there are plenty of pet owners that are not responsible enough to even own a rat, and that's who these types of laws are aimed at.


myLot reputation of 98/100. palonghorn (4211)   ranked 87 out of 7,859 in dogs  5 years ago

Oh, and by the way, I live in PA, but I'm originally from Texas.

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