Obama has turned out to to be one very scary guy. I am a liberal Demo, but this  

I know, lilac, I know. People have just got to come to their senses and see this man for what he is! I feel your fear as you feel mine. This is no game of politics anymore, it is the survival of the human race in the balance. I wish to retract one thing I said in my discussion, though. I will vote. I will vote for God. I will literally write Him in as a symbolic prayer while in the ballot booth. In God we Trust. For only He can save us now. Or perhaps the Demos will come to their senses and nominate Clinton.

This isn't about losing a hand of poker here, WB. It is about us putting down our weapons and having the devil yell "psych!" and then push the damn button. It would be EXTREMELY naive. I may be liberal, but I am not stupid. We are talking about the most destructive power at the disposal of man. If only evil men have it, evil men will use it. Over and out. The leadership of Iran understands nothing but force. I think the strategy of converting it's leaders ideologically or teaching it how to be good by being good is an absurdly rediculous one. Sorry. Being a beautiful, peaceful, passive culture in this world only invites the brute to the slaughter it seems. Look at what happened to Tibet! She was a shining pearl of peace and respect for life, and She
was raped and slaughtered and overtaken mercilessly.

Even Christ said, "When I come back I return with a sword"--and heck, even though I am spiritually eclectic, I am not a Christian per se. I just see the Golden Thread of Truth in the Doctrines of all legitimate faiths. There is serious business afoot here, WB.

What about Obama's racially inconsistencies? What about his bent toward radical doctrines that presently threaten our culture? What about the poster that hangs in his headquarters? Do you know about these things? Check out the link that Kbourgerie posted. Very illuminating to be sure--and scary. This Black Theology that he has been studying is overtly racist and hate filled. There is no question about that. Obama is very dangerous.

Hi, It does seem that you are upset...
And I am sorry that you are...
I did say that I would return to post to deal with the other points...
Not sure if you did read...

http://www.nytimes.com/20...?

Perhaps if you took a deep breath and breathed it out slowly you would feel a little bit better and would be more able to process that article.

If you read the article it would not be that we had no defensive capabilities... We would still have some... The desire though for an eventual nuclear free world is a noble one... the application of anything like that though would be slow, gradual and most likely well thought out with the best minds of the world figuring out how to make it work. It is not going to be a unilateral thing. And it would take time.



I must admit that I have gotten so tired after the last eight years of fear mongering from Bush that I am rather immune to it now... And fed up with it too as all too often it was used to rob us of rights and liberties and to give the government a convenient excuse to do so.

I am 49 years old and did not grow up with the fear that you did regarding the nuclear weapons... There were no duck and cover drills for me other than to prepare me for the earthquakes here in California. perhaps if I had gone through what you went through, I would be more in fear.

I have looked at the facts... those who are elder statesmen during the cold war are wanting us to look at disarmament... And that is not a bad thing...
The fact that Obama is for this is a good thing and not a bad thing.

We at present have a flawed system which is like a person with MPD.
Let me elaborate:
On one hand we tell nation states that we will not tolerate them developing even one nuclear weapon while we one the other hand continue to build our stockpiles of them when we have more than enough to blow up the world twenty times over.

One one hand, we have the NATO and in the National Security Council, etc. and these and other organizations of nations which mostly are composed of nation states with nuclear capabilities.
As these nation states have a lot of power and prestige, they seem to lord it over the other nation states who do not have this capability creating in the developing nation states a feeling like an adolescent on steroids who is eager to get nuclear capabilities in order to belong to the big boys club and to get recognition and respect as finally arriving...

If the big boys like the United States and Russia were united in being committed to peaceful co-existance, would there be any race to develop more arms? There is a strong possibility that our build up of these weapons is what is causing them to want to have them too.

Certainly we cannot have much credibility with Iran or with the other nation states who we fear may attempt to get nuclear weapons without backing off from the nuclear weapons a bit ourselves.

I was wondering... Did you ever read Mark Twain's the Mouse That Roared and some of the other books that followed it? In that book, a small nation was not getting any attention and had a problem but was getting no respect. Then all of the sudden, it was thought that they had a bomb and suddenly every one wanted to recognize them and to deal with them...
It was as if they had arrived. I think it is a good book to read in order to understand what I am trying to say here.... And it is good reading too.

It was foolishness that we ever did join the Soviet Union and now Russia and the other nation states in this Arms Race... We felt compelled due to fears of each others capabilities... And most of these fears were in error... We over estimated their capabilities just as they over-estimated ours... And the people in our nations have suffered from the nuclear blasts from testing and from the pollution of our ground water, air, and land... And look how much money we have wasted...

There is the possibility that if we talk to the other nations, they may understand the foolishness of the whole nuclear arms race... We have learned something about it from our own experience... We wish to spare them some suffering... That is an honorable thing.




We are not safer because we have the weapons. They do not pose a real deterent. They instead incite the development of more weapons and tend to destabilize rather than stabilizing the world.

It is inaccurate to say about any nation that it "only understands force." We have not really tried negotiation. We at present have a leader who is more of an isolationist in his approach, not prone to listen well to others nor to communicate well... It is reasonable that such a person would fear negotiation as for him it would be like playing poker with low cards and no luck. (I, by the way, like playing a little poker with family and tend to win at it too...)

The truth is that we have the aces and we have the supportive cards necessary to win... We are far from the Country of Tibet... We will be united with other nation states... We will still have some nuclear capability... We though will be moving away from it.
And all others who hope to belong to the Big Boys Club will also have to move away from it in order to gain entry.

We will develop other ways of gaining respect and membership for the nation states... We will also spend less money on arming other nations and more money on giving education on sustainable development, conservation of resources, ways to eliminate hunger, ways to negotiate and develop peace circles, etc. This is very active. It is far from passive. It takes fierce determination and will.

I am remembering Ghandi, Martin Luther King and others who struggled to end oppression and who did so without ever raising their fists at another person... We remember their work much more than we remember that of those who fought with their fists... Words are so powerful...Love and compassion partnered by activity and restraint...

Understanding the motivations of people even on a nation state level has not been tried. We have often been rather like the diplomat in the Ugly American... not understanding sometimes, the cultures of the people we tend to label as enemies...
I am remembering now Nixon's words about China and as there were talks between our nations during his Administration... I remember him saying that never again should we fail to talk with any nation and that we should not isolate it as we did China. We have done similarly with Iran.

Iran had a history of at one time having those in it who wanted to form a democracy but we instead of doing that propped up a dicatorship to maintain what we then thought was the "stability" of the area. That dictatorship later fell and we got something else in its place that is not fully understood by us... We see someone making statements in his efforts to appease people but not really having much mojo to do much. We have a people with a history of being not Arabic and of having a very noble culture that predates a lot of others. It is not what it appears to be on the surface. Their use of language is like so much pigeon puffing... If you don't understand what I am meaning by that, then look sometimes at the male pigeons in a parking lot. They follow the smaller female pigeons around and try so hard to get their attention but the female pigeons are just pecking the ground trying to find food scraps... the male pigeons keep on puffing themselves up and trying to get bigger, and bigger. They follow the female pigeons everywhere hoping for a bit of attention...It is so difficult being ignored and being bad mouthed and not fitting in and wanting to be one of the big boys and not being able to. That is the position of Iran... or perhaps I should use a metaphor that you might understand more... It is like a teenager playing at being a Goth and talking a lot about death and destruction because it is scary and gets the adults upset.
That kid may be the nicest kid and appear to other adults as anything but... I believe that this is true about the core of Iran even though one of its leaders was as shocking as ozzy osbourne with his animal routine.

I will return later to deal with the other issues you brought up... Please though at least act as if you read what I just posted...
Let's deal with this one issue at a time as that way there will be some hope that some of the fear you have been experiencing will remit a little...

Oh my goodness... I was just looking at what I typed and I need to make a correction... I am actually only 47 about to turn 48 in June. I was trying to prep myself for my birthday by telling myself that I was 48 already so it would not be so much of a shock... the 49 is a typo thank God.

Thanks for your well thought out response, and I appreciate that you hung in there to get it posted. Please check out the link that Kbourgerie put up on Obama. I could not because I do not have 500 posts yets. Very illuminating. I would have considered Libertarian, but Barr just won the nomination.

I understand your stand on this issue, but I am afraid McCain is too hawkish. We need to get out of wars that solve nothing, not get move over-invested in spread thin in additional military adventures that produce nothing. You cannot kill hatred with violence or force. The middle east is a culdron of hate that we cannot and should not try to resolve.

I feel EXACTLY the same as you do! You put it better than I could have I believe.

I don't find it so amazing. I am an ecclectic thinker. I am a liberal (generally speaking), but I am not a "straight ticket" kind of person nor a party platform worshipper. I deal with one issue at a time and one candidate at a time, regardless of the party. I think it would benefit the country if more people were more like that. There would be a whole less deadlock and bs in congress if that were the case and then things would actually get done.

I totally understand your quandry. It isn't comfortable, is it? Very perplexing. Thanks for your comment.

Mrsjbelle, check out this article, which indicates that we've already HAD five black presidents: Thomas Jefferson, Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, Warren Harding and Calvin Coolidge.

http://www.geocities.com/cureworks1/5blkpres.htm

Andrew Jackson's brother was actually sold into slavery according to the article.

I found it a very interesting read. Other articles say much the same thing: http://www.bigissueground...

http://www.diversityinc.com/public/1461.cfm

None of them, however, point to there ever having been a woman president.

Nonetheless, Senator McCain would never have the libery of saying the phase "typical black man" in ANY context without destroying himself. Period. End of discussion. Any attempt to justify it from this point is plain rationalization. The culture just does't allow it. Reverse discrimination. It abounds in America.

It is a perplexing situation to be sure. Thanks for your participation.

All of you think for your selfs,I'm careful to jump into this think tank,seeing your very savvy.
Barack Obama indeed is a very scary candidate and I wish the under thirty group and the black voter would truly do research on Obama.
Obama is coming off as being a black man to gain the black vote.
And he is coming off a cool dude to attack the younger voters.
He has attracted unfortunately both of these groups there fore he has done what he set out to do.
Christian parents do not subject their little treasures to the root of bitterness in the home or the church.
Teaching children to hate their country is a thing done by radical muslins,Mr& Mrs Obama have taken the lower road in training their two daughters.
God,plainly tells us in his world there will be wars and rumors of war.
The wars recorded in this world are pale compared to the wars this world will indeed see before the end of worlds history.
Memorial day I watched some coverage on our troops presently stationed in Iraq.
Five coaches had been in Iraq visiting with our troops,they had just returned home from Iraq.
They all five reported the troops had a united message they ask these five coaches to take back home with them.
The message was to be giving to George W. Bush thanking him for supporting the troops.
I realize some American people resent the present administration for what they call a failed policy.
Over and over our troops have send messages asking the American people to stand behind our president.
War is what it is and in all wars I do believe people on both sides have made mistakes,even grave mistakes.
I do not think it would be wise to throw the baby out with the bath water.
Barack Obama as we know is not a full blooded black person.
He was not raised in underprivileged conditions but claims he can relate to the hard working blue collar American.
I don't think the hard working blue collar voter has bought this hook,line and sinker.
As "The Last Wolf pointed out Barack Obama would be our very first Arabic president.
We would have a president that top officials of Hamas and the chief adviser of the Gaza strip approves of.
Seems odd to me radical muslins wants to assassinated the present people in office openly hating their guts.
So I take it Barack Obama beings he is favored by terrorist groups will not have that hate hanging over his head if he is elected president of the United States.
As if Obama is going to change terrorist and radial muslins minds.
The people in the middle east have been killing each other for 4,000 years,no matter who is in office this will not change in our lifetime.
It is just be on my understanding how any thinking voter would even consider taking a change of placing a muslin at heart in the oval office.
Obama can side step or he and his wife can two step but for many people they have to many connects to people that only want to blow Americans up.
Had Obama been honest and a American I could trust I would had voted for him if he was poke a dot.
The thought that Jeremiah Wright is just preaching how it is, truly is a grave mistake.
He is to be a man of God and if you refer back to how the true men of God spoke to a problem it was done in "brotherly love".
Jeremiah Wright is preaching from the root of bitterness which only serve to spread bitterness and hate.
I heard Jeremiah Wright speaking bad about rich people and white people in one of his sermons.
Jeremiah Wright talks down white rich people but dose he really dislike them as much as he preaches against them?
He don't seem to have real dislike for rich white people beings he had his multi million dollar house build in an exclusive white neighborhood.
Wright like the rich white people parks his very shiny expensive automobiles in a nice fancy garage at night.
I have no clue to how Jeremiah Wright became so wealthy after all his inter city church in Chicago is made up mostly of middle class poorer people.
Of course he has had Obama a member for twenty years and Oprah gave some of her dollars to the Trinity church the few years she attended.
Jeremiah Wright,can only serve one master either God or man,he can not serve both expecting good results,in the end.
As I said before Obama has far to many negatives to become the president of the United States.
I will vote for John McCain because I can trust he is a true blue American that would give his very life for his country.
John McCain son is presently serving in Iraq and his other son is serving his country in the Navy.
John McCain would not ask another's son or daughter to serve their country and not his own flesh and blood.
I do believe this speaks volumes about who John McCain really is.
I hear the talk he is only an extension of George W. Bush.
John McCain records prove the many times he has went up against George W. Bush.
McCain has stood with both democrats and republicans on so many different things over the years.
I'm not saying he is 100% but I do believe John McCain will stand up for American and fight to keep her safe when he has to.
Like Bush he will not be a president that puts his tail between his legs and runs.
John McCain understands foreign policy and he will talk with other leaders if certain conditions are meet,I believe this is the wise course of action.
I really think far as Iran it is only a matter of time American will knocking at their front door.
Thinking Russian and China is the mad man if Iran's buddies we may get beat with an ugly stick.
My concern is for the people of Iran same as with us we can not stop our government from waring on another country.
Perhaps this actually makes us all sitting ducks,and prayer is our only hope and safety.
We that will must remember not to forget it is God that is in control of this world.
God,in his word has made very plain he will come to seek them that seek to destroy the world.
The leaders of nations will not be the ones who destroy this world,God reserves that for him alone.
With that said we the people must educate ourself and vote for the best possibly candidate.
The democrat party has sure let Hillary Clinton down,It seems them behind the party do not want to see a Clinton in office.
Sad, the democrat party may be so blinded by Satan they will actually try to put in office a person wearing a mask if taken off it would be Satan himself,so to speak.
Hillary Clinton is the right choose for the democrats but it appears she can not beat Obama because she has been railroaded by the heads of the party and the super delegates.
Democrat women by the millions would need to cast their vote for Hillary Clinton.
Clinton is letting it be known through Bill Clinton she is being pushed around and picked on by Obama's camp.
It is not over until all has voted so we will just have to wait a little long to see who will be running against McCain.
If it should be Hillary Clinton I'm sure John McCain would have a bigger fight then he would have with Obama,beings Obama is running on hope,and even gets counties mixed up in his speech's.
If false promises and hope can beat John McCain,Barack Obama has it in the bag...then we all can turn around and kiss our butts good bye.