I've been ordained!

My church is off the internet too, Teapot, leaves for less dirty looks when we sleep in on Sundays.

I guess you are right. My friend goes to church on Sunday afternoons. She can sleep in and still make it to church. heehee

I came back because I clicked "no thanks" for people I admire and I didn't want to do that, I'm joining your cult.

We have cookies and specail brownies, WhatsHerName, enjoy the ride.

WOoohooo cookies and special brownies, yummy hehe.

google it please.

I was curious about your take on it, not google's.

My religion is personal to me, I do not pontificate.

So what were you ordained as? A preacher that declines to preach her faith? A minister that will not minister the doctrine that she believes openly? 1 Peter 3:15 says that we should always be prepared to give an answer for the reason for the hope that we have when we are asked about it. I can understand not wanting to ram anything down the throat of the unwilling, but when you are asked outright, as I did you, then an answer is more than acceptable, it becomes required!

Unless you have no doctrine, or faith to share in the first place. Rather than judge a quasi-faith, which is all any church that exhalts humanism in any form can possibly be; I was willing to listen to an explanation of what you believe first. I see now that this is a sham with no relevance in society but to tingle the ears of those who don't know any better.

You will not put your faith in public view but you are OK with advertising for the mock services of a cultish church of idolatry. I call you a hypocrite, because that is what you truly are!

God bless you.

Have you been defrocked KM?

Appearantly so, Scoops. A girl just can't catch a break from those that seek to question faith rather than celebrate it. And to think, I studied the various means and methods of worship for the enitre world for years, answering the questions of my own faith instead of allowing people to tell me what and how to think. HoHum. I think Charlie here should start his own discussion about the Church if he wants more general info, and not use my discussion to further his own Christian agenda.

WELL EXCUUUUUUUUUUUUSE ME!

I really didn't think it was all that hard of a question.

My holy water is more like massage oil, for annointing, of course.

Scoops, seems I need my big snarly doggie over here, can you put that hat on and get right over and tell this Charlie guy just how wise and obviously above him I am? (it is my birthday, you know)

I appreciate your thoughts. Let me say this....

I do take marriage as an abloslute sacrement. Unfortunatly, the docterine of marriage has turned into a contract with the state rather than a contract with the Creator, in most cases. What I have done through this process is applied for the state's premission to perform legal customs originaiting from religion. Does that make sense? Not that I'm putting ads in the paper or selling my brand of God's word, there are plenty of highly trained people qulaified for that, and even there you find occurances of greed and misplaced morality.

I said in another post that my religion is personal to me, because it is. I feel no need to defend it or explain it to anyone, but will when approached out of a place of honest love and compassion. Not to those that look for ways to tell me that I'm wrong or not on the right page of the Christ is King Catalog. In my view, God is larger than all of us, and broader than anyone can ever comprehend. So when I kneal down with a Buddhist, a Muslim, a Jew and a Hindu, I truely believe that the act of love and humbled worship is directed in the same direction. One God, many paths, you see? Now, unfortunately, live in a land of hell fire and brimstone, and the message of love gets lost in messages of sinful deeds and deviant acts, so when I stubbled accross an internet church that falls within my broad belief system, I can proudly say, "Yes, I did this, and this is why."

Everyone is welcome to their opinions, I will be the first to say. But to criticize the path of rightousness from one person to another is not my Christianity. I say that as a broad statement, not as an arguementitive one.

Peace be with you.

I can feel you in your response. I can feel your passion in your belief. The original post that I responded to had none of the reverence and passion that I read here. I had the feeling it was all going to be some kind of joke to you but I can see this isn't the case.

Also the fact that you are going to be pro active in legalization of rite to perform ceremonies which reflect your path to God is commendable.

You must admit though if it wasn't you and you ran into someone that said that they just got ordained online can I marry you or baptize your child oh but curses will cost you a bit more ... I hope you have given a second look. Well that's me. I hold those who are ordained in my religion such a special place it just doesn't seem like one should be allowed to do with out some theology courses. Maybe some day I can be as open minded as you.

That you John. Yes, I do have passion, and I'm also very protective. I tend to approach most subjects with a spot of humor, and I'll happy go into depth to those who appraoch me respectfully. Had I not started this discussion with the attitude that came across, we'd have never had this conversation, no?

In my initial query there has no hint of disapproval, only a genuine interest in what you believed. Why didn't you answer me? At this stage in the conversation, it is clear that the Bible is not high up on your list or required reading. But at the beginning I was genuinely interested in what you were talking about.

I don't think that internet ordination is particularly relevant, but that wasn't the issue. Any faith that promotes humanism, in any form, can not be Christian. That was the point that concerned me, since you were offering sacremental services.

If you don't believe the Bible is the Word of God, fine. But then tell me, what do you use to base morality on, if not the dictates of one holy God? To say, "One God - Many paths." Is apostacy, but I don't care who believes what - IF they can put forth a reasonable rationale for the things they believe. You declined to do so.

Apparently you had to look around for a while to find an organization that matched your personal, "feel-good," theology so that you could get your certificate. Since the true theology behind the Christian God and Jesus Christ, His Son, is not your primary concern, what difference did it make who ordained you as long as you can perform the services that you want?

LOL that's true ... at least not in this depth

It makes me gag, Charlie, that you do not see a connection between the life and works of Jesus Christ with humanism and neo theological or traditional thought. What drew you to the conclusion that I'm not reading or have not read the Bible? I have, in fact, and I'm furthering my own knowledge with courses in New and Old Testement within this year, at my college, which is a Christian college, BTW.

Just because my version isn't your brand, does not make it invalid, which is precisely why I didn't get into this with you in the first place.

If you are not interested in learning about Humanistic though, prehaps you should look at Zoroastrianism, and even some of the Hellenistic themes that parallel in Christina thought. You might see that some of Bible's foundations came from elsewhere, and bring you a bit closer to knowing the works of your God, which is exactly what happened to me when I did the same. Think of it was using a dictionary for the big words.

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Well, what do you know? We agree on something after all! Yes, they are sinners but that doesn't mean that we should not come along side of them.

I was willing to let all this go until you said that you are willing to go into depth when approached respectfully. That's not true, now is it? I merely asked for your, "Mission Statement," as it were, and you closed up tighter than a clam!

Just tell me how Christ fits in with a humanistic world view. What does a humanistic viewpoint share with, (or more importantly, how does it differ from Biblical Christianity? And if it is actually Christ centered, then why does it have to have a PC feel-good name?

My faith, too, is very personal but I am willing to share when asked!

Sorry Charlie, but I think I've shared more than enough within the whole of the discussion. You didn't come to me with respect, you answered my discussion with question apon question about something you obviously don't have any interest in other than to criticize. It you really wanted to know more, I think you would have left this alone and found out the info for yourself.

I do not beleive that faith is something to be taught, I believe it is something to be found. No amount of discussing it or defending it will strengthen or weaken it for me. Its mine, I lay claim, and that's all. I didn't get a feeling from you that you just wanted to get to know me better, you approached me with a list of questions, without preface or preamble. If that was not your intent, I can only suggest you amend your approach.

Humanism (and not Life Path Humanism) is a means of honering the God of every individual, without diminishing one over the other. It is a school of peace and love for all, which is a primary Christian basis, in my Christianity at least. It is a means of acknowledging that there are many paths to one God, the ultimate creator of all things. the Jewish culture, the Christian and Islamic all are derived from the same school of thought (Hellenistic and Zoroastrian), in parable and in ritual, just the same as the Hindus and Buddhists are tied to the preceeding Jains. All religions have borrowed that or that from the other and if only the world would recognize that--that we are all brothers and sisters of the same Alpha and Omega, we could celebrate instead of murder and degrade.

All of that, Charlie, can be found more or less throughout this entire discussion, and yet you wanted to be addressed more directly, so there you have it. Congrats. I will not defend it, I will not qualify it, so don't ask anymore. Its not a matter of me not wanting to share either, obviously.

WE are all sinners. WE should all get down next to each other and pray. WE should all learn to see beauty in what is next to us. WE should all live and let live.

You say that there are many paths to one god. And then that we should all live and let live, plus a claim of Christianity. These are irreconcilable statements.

If you claim Christ in any capacity then it would follow that you would believe in what He said. He said that, "NO ONE," comes to the Father but by Him. So the same Bible that you claim as a basis for Christianity, (for what other source teaches Christ?), you then say is invalid because you claim may paths. I sincerely am not trying to argue with you because if there be any argument to be had, it is between you and God's Word.

I am perfectly willing to withdraw and let you go in peace, but this is not an example of, live and let live. Since you do not believe in a Biblical Christ it becomes, live and let die. This was the destination of the discussion all along. I'm truly sorry if you felt attacked by my opening, perhaps it was your insecurity at the prospect of having to attempt to defend a lie, I don't know.

When you stand at the judgment bar of God, good luck with that, "But there are many ways, not just Jesus!" thing that you are trying to sell.

Happy trails!

Believe ye on Jesus Christ and be saved all the ends of the earth; believe ye not and be damned.

You say that there are many paths to one god. And then that we should all live and let live, plus a claim of Christianity. These are irreconcilable statements.

Irreconsilable to you, not to me.

If you claim Christ in any capacity then it would follow that you would believe in what He said. He said that, "NO ONE," comes to the Father but by Him. So the same Bible that you claim as a basis for Christianity, (for what other source teaches Christ?), you then say is invalid because you claim may paths. I sincerely am not trying to argue with you because if there be any argument to be had, it is between you and God's Word.

Its does not follow that I would think that. My faith is based on many things, the Biblical teachings of Christ within the Bible, historical references, my own research, etc. Just because we do not get our answers from the same source does not mean mine are any less valid.

I am perfectly willing to withdraw and let you go in peace, but this is not an example of, live and let live. Since you do not believe in a Biblical Christ it becomes, live and let die. This was the destination of the discussion all along. I'm truly sorry if you felt attacked by my opening, perhaps it was your insecurity at the prospect of having to attempt to defend a lie, I don't know.

Are you calling my personal belief structure a lie, Charlie? Are you divining the path of my discusisons now as well as the fate of my soul? I'll not have you point the finger of God at me and make these assumptions. There is no LIE to defend. My faith is what it is, and my avoidance at defending it to the likes of you seems to come exactly where I predicted, a personal attack on views that differ from your own. This is my path, Charlie, and I will keep it between me and God, Thank you. And I will pray that some day you will learn to open your heart and hear that God speaks in many voices.


When you stand at the judgment bar of God, good luck with that, "But there are many ways, not just Jesus!" thing that you are trying to sell.

I'll be sure to let you know how that works out for me, though surely you have already spoken to God about this and had a good laugh with him over coffee and cookies. Congrats on using your faith to condemn yet anotehr sinner.

I'm not trying to sell anything. You asked for it. If you did not want to deepen your undertanding, you should not have asked.

Happy trails!

A salam malikum

Believe ye on Jesus Christ and be saved all the ends of the earth; believe ye not and be damned.


I hope you didn't use a direct quote of God's without citation, that's plagerism, my friend. Not one of the commandments, or maybe it falls uder coveting, which might be a big problem for The Holy Father. Ask him next time you see him at Starbucks, will ya?

*`~~`*POOF*`~~`*

Anything?

I'm afraid I'm a little weak in the carnal lusting area, lemme read up on it and get back to you. In the meantime, look out for Charlie up there, I think he's an expert.

This is an extremely simple one and I hope the mighty ordained one doesn't mind me butting in but I can't resist it. Thoughts and feelings of a carnal nature are inherently within everyone and they can't be surgically removed, unless there's an innovative new type of surgery that I haven't heard of. Anyway why would we wish to remove something that's natural? I'd say the lustings are only a problem if they're put into practise in an innapropriate manner; i.e., hands wandering over the local traffic warden's posterior etc. As for hell, well the Bible claims that God's going to destroy all evil and I presume hell's a pretty evil place. I have tattoos and carnal feelings but God knows I've suffered enough hell on earth so if God is love (as the Bible also claims) I'm sure he/she won't be inflicting any more hell on me in future!

Sorry Aslanlight, what I think my very special friend is asking for is more hands on therapy. I'm positive that, "I may need you to come and listen to my confession" is actually a ploy to get me to drive five hours south, walk into his apartment on a spiritual mission, and within seconds find his hands rubbing my posterior.

Wanna clear that up for us, Inked?

Oh Aslanlight! Of course I can clear this up for you! Yay! I'm thrilled to share my knowledge here, so here goes...

There is a difference between Humanism, which is a dogma that says that the are many paths to God, and that all should be respected, recognized and celebrated with peace and love.

There is another brand of Humanism, which is called Life Path, which is a more agnostic organization. The belief there is that the power of the universe comes from human nature, and that the human is responsible for all things that enter into ones life (not fate or the hand of God, closer to Karma, but without the Spiritual Prepaid Visa).

That's just general stuff. I do know that if you Wikipedia 'humanism' you will come up with both explainations, and maybe more in depth info. In reality, Humanism and Univerisalist are not that different at all, I just found the Humanist website first:)

And I found Universalism first! While I was reading your explanation I was thinking it sounds similar. When I first started studying Theology with a Uni one woman said that there are many paths up the mountain that lead to God, and I like that philosophy. God isn't exclusive like many religions and denominations claim, s/he's the God of all of us. I'll have to add you as a friend I think!

Thanks! Now if we can get a multi-faith prayer group together to get this Charlie off my butt, I'd send an extra blessing or two your way:)

Who's Charlie and what's he doing on your butt? Hasn't he got a home to go to?

I think he has a crush on me. Madly in love, couldn't be anything else. Though I'm not sure his Fundamental-ism makes allowances for inter-level marriage, consciously speaking

I am confused here too, aslanlight!

As far as I am concerned, Katesmama, Humanism is based on NOT believing in religious dogma, and humanitarian work is very much embraced by humanists. Simply put, if you believe in a god then you are not a humanist (unless it's Kylie of course, but then technically, she is a goddess). However, there are plenty of other things you could be, including being a right ( or possibly wrong) charlie.

Sorry Scoops, but you are misunderstood. As a Humanist you are welcome to believe in anything that exhibts proof. The real live Humanist church does not promote one doctrine over another, and allows memebr to seek answer for themselves and discuss them freely and without judgement. Though to save all this confusion, I might just trash it all and try the Universalists on for size. One thing I know for sure, I will not join a faith that points fingers and throws stones. God is love and light, and not John Hawthorne.

Welcome to the free thinking, radical, revolutionary thinking, vegetable liking Universalists!

(I threw the vegetables in because I'm silly);)

I hope they were seasonal!