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myLot reputation of 92/100. AJ1952Chats (1158) 4 years ago

It has happened again!

What?

One of my comments (originally posted to a discussion about whether capital punishment was right or wrong)

http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/618915.aspx

has taken on a life of its own so that I wanted to share it elsewhere. Already, I have turned it into an article at a couple of places...

http://www.epinions.com/content_5223719044

http://www.writing.com/ma...

with plans to further share it in other places--including right here.

Thanks, in advance, for joining this discussion about Extending The Use Of Ultimate "Justice"

The Bottom Line: If we have to have capital punishment at all, shouldn't it just be reserved for crimes where murder is involved? Doing otherwise might very well create a slippery-slope...

The following was my response to a discussion where a young man was saying that the death penalty should not only apply to crimes involving murder but should also be given to habitual criminals...

I don't believe in capital punishment period--and I definitely don't believe in it for so-called "habitual" criminals. There are some cases where the person is "habitual" because he/she has gotten so used to prison life that it's more comfortable to be there.

Take my friend, Russell, for instance.

If you would read a story I wrote about him by going here:

http://cfetc.blogspot.com...

(where you will also get an obvious answer to the question re: whether or not "habitual" criminals can be rehabilitated)

you'll learn that he hasn't always been on the right side of the law.

Yes, my precious friend, Russell T. Hartsaw, would be one of those people who would be put to death under what you've proposed, and the world would be much worse off without him!

He was incarcerated as an adult for the first time for weaponless bank robbery. When he got out, he felt like a fish out of water, so he actually did an intentionally-botched-up weaponless bank robbery so that he would get caught. He did this at least once more--but, fortunately, he was given the opportunity to finish his education right up through college using correspondence courses and was then given the chance to teach there in the institution.

This--along with consulting with a compassionate and understanding therapist--ended up making Russell more confident in his ability to live as a law-abiding citizen.

When he was out on parole this last time, it was still sometimes tempting to get himself set up for another stay in prison, but he stayed strong and didn't do this.

This was helped along by how several people had taken a liking to him and wanted to help him to succeed.

He's now full-sail-ahead on a mission to help young people who are currently falling through society's cracks to avoid making the same mistakes that he did by giving them the chance for a better life than what they're currently experiencing.

And there are other kinds of being a habitual criminal than robbing banks--and things that might even be legal/decriminalized in a few years such as sale and/or possession of marijuana and prostitution.

At one time, homosexuality was considered to be a crime.

The following are videos of people who would have ended up being put to death (for being caught on the wrong side of the law more than once for more than a traffic ticket) if you had your way:

The first one was never arrested but could have been, and he would have, no doubt, become a repeat offender and, thus, eligible...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WC1OsdX2LM

Two arrests--and almost got life-in-prison the first time around for his victimless crime involving possession of marijuana...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkvKeoWcG0A

No prison sentences for this one, but several different jailings. Would the world have been a better place if society had thrown him away?...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Cru2ld06-A

The more people deemed to be throwaways in our society, the more it will trickle up to include even law-abiding citizens who might just be too poor, too handicapped, or too old to be taking up space.

Think about it...

One more thing:
This is the first in a series of ten of discussions I'll be starting since celebrating my 1001st post here. If you'd like to take part of that celebration, go here...

http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/1632990.aspx

 

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1. myLot reputation of 95/100. OreoCookie3 (22470)   4 years ago

Of course I wouldn't be for the death penalty for habitual crimes... say a habitual violator keeps driving drunk and getting locked up... to put this person would be ludicrous. However, in states where the death penalty is legal, and the crime warrants the death penalty I am all for it. I hate they have to wait so long to meet their judgment. Feeding them for 20 years is a waste of tax payers money. When you have a serial killer preying on young children or anyone for that matter... he sets traps for them, and savors killing them. They become addicted to the kill. They have to do it over and over... these kinds of criminals need to be taken off the earth. They didn't give their victims a choice but to die... they deserve the same. So, no I am not a bleeding heart when it comes to the death penalty.


myLot reputation of 92/100. AJ1952Chats (1158)  4 years ago

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2. myLot reputation of 89/100. cripfemme (7251)   ranked 1 out of 1 in abolish the death penalty   4 years ago

First off, let me thank you AJ for being a friend over the years on various sites and for always having deep intelligent things to say, too rare of an ability on the internet. Now on to your question.

I'm against the death penalty, even if someone did something horrible I don't think the state should be allowed to murder them. Once we get into state sanctioned murder we start determining who is valuable as a person. First its the rapists, then its the thieves, nevermind if they stole because they needed it for their kids, and lastly its the poor and disabled because we have no value to society. Yeah right. However, I do truly believe there are some people who we should leave in jail and never let out for any reason. I don't care how old they get as soon as they get outside they will do it again. My best example of this is Charles Manson. Whatever parole board would let him out should be forced to live with him in their neighborhood. Although I would feel sorry for their neighbors who didn't do anything and would now be in danger if this occurred.

My other main problem with the death penalty is that you can't undo it if you find out it's wrong from DNA or something. I mean I suppose you could pay the victim's family money but that doesn't replace their person.


myLot reputation of 92/100. AJ1952Chats (1158)  4 years ago

My thoughts exactly on all counts--including Charlie Manson. He's definitely one of the people who should remain behind bars until--and, possibly, even then--his hair turns white, his skin turns transparent, and he totters when he walks.

Russell has also informed me that our tax dollars don't go to the upkeep of inmates. Inmates are given jobs to do and paid between 40 cents and under $2.00 per hour. However, the items they make get sold for big money, and that is what not only supports them but, also, pays--at least, in part--those people whose job it is to work at the prison.

So, the argument that our tax dollars are going to people who are "a waste of space and should be executed" doesn't wash.

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