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| I recall when I was in my early twenties driving down a street and suddenly seeing a ball come toward me out of the corner of my eye. The ball was immediately followed by a by who could have been about 8-9 years old and I immediately slammed on my brakes. The car came to a stop less than an inch away from the boy and, shaking, I left the car; took the child by his arm and asked where he lived. He pointed to a house and I led him there and knocked on the door. The mother answered and I suggested she find a different playground for her son; still shaking I drove away. I often reflected on this scene later when thinking about drinking and driving knowing that had I been slightly impaired my reaction time would have been down and I would probably have killed the child. Whenever I heard of people who had such accidents, I could empathize knowing how difficult it would be for them to live knowing they had taken an innocent life. In this country we are governed by an administration which knowingly started a war for the sole purpose of lining the pockets of major corporations. This administration knowingly murdered thousands of children just like the one I mentioned above and try to justify their action. They destroyed the lives of untold other people both in America and Iraq and the people who perpetrated this crime are still at large. The administration got into office through the help of “The Religious Right”; which is only concerned about repressing people and preventing education so that people will not find out what a lot of nonsense it is they are preaching. There is nothing in the entire scriptures which can be substantiated and everything that can be checked turns out to be false. The same religious organizations are now attempting to get elected another couple of people they feel will do their religious bidding and the American people are swallowing it up. The American political situation is run by a two-party monopoly, the members of which thwart knowledge and education, pretending all is OK and that there is nothing wrong with what is being done and nothing wrong with the two-party monopoly. The last time something similar happened was in Europe and it is being referred to as the dark ages. What sort of people can elect a Bush not once but twice and look to be on the brink of electing someone out of the same mold? What sort of nation is this; what sort of people tolerate being used in such a fashion? | | | | | |
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1. piasabird (1583)
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4 years ago
| | Me, I guess. We've made the Iraqis' lives better. But I don't expect you and your ilk to believe or understand that. And no way do I want the most liberal senator in the White House with the third most liberal senator as our vice president. | | | | | | |
Gnosisquest (777)
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4 years ago
| | Thank you for the demonstration of the mentality of the people who permit their leaders to murder. | | | |
piasabird (1583)
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4 years ago
| | Please ..... you're old enough to know better. | | | |
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2. 2minicoopers (116)
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4 years ago
| | Okay so you then tell me what do you think would have happened to the US if we didn't go to war. And I'd also like to know what scriptures your talking about that can't be substainated and are false. Lets be specific here! | | | | | | |
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2minicoopers (116)
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4 years ago
| | Thanks for the link. You are a bit twisted, however there is no reference to ANY passage at all on there. There are more documents that prove the Bible is real then there is that prove Julius Caesar ever lived, so you might want to do a little more research. | | | |
Gnosisquest (777)
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4 years ago
| | You are wrong there is not a single document which can be employed to prove the accuracy of the Bible which comes from independent sources. There is falsified material from early Christians which attempt to show the Bible is accurate but that is only an indication of dishonesty. | | | |
2minicoopers (116)
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4 years ago
| | is that right and were you there to receive these false documents? Come on so if you don't believe in the bible enlighten me as to how the world began. | | | |
Gnosisquest (777)
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4 years ago
| | If you do not understand how the world began and if no other person understands how the world began that only proves that you/we have something to learn not that your Bible is correct! There are plenty of examples which show how material was falsified in the discussion I provided a link to. | | | |
2minicoopers (116)
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4 years ago
| | Guess you really don't know what your talking about, your going in circles around my question. When you can answer it I will listen to what you have to say. | | | |
2minicoopers (116)
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4 years ago
| | Guess you've learned that trick from Obama. | | | |
Gnosisquest (777)
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4 years ago
| | I answered your question so many times I got tired of it; (check the link). | | | |
2minicoopers (116)
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4 years ago
| | Yes I read your garbage that said nothing about the way you believe the world was created. Again, it didn't answer my question I've previously asked you. After reading what you claim to be your "historical sources" your not even worth debating with in this forum you may want to look at some ACTUAL scholars and books in regards to the new testament and old testament writings before you post your hypercritical garbage on this site! Why would you attribute truth to your "histroical sources" over the bible which even the most liberal scholars believe has authentic authorship and true historical claims. This is evidence to me of your obvious bias going into your "research" to disproove the bible because you do not care what the truth is, you only want to support your presupposition. That is why anything I read from you will be in consideration of your hypocritical perspective | | | |
Gnosisquest (777)
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4 years ago
| | I have discussed history, religion and archeology with some of the most knowledgeable theologians and historians and none have come with remarks such as yours: In short your statements tell me a lot about you and your educational level; putting all your faith in something you are incapable of looking at the adverse side to say’s it all. | | | |
2minicoopers (116)
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4 years ago
| | Really? What are their names? And can you list some books by them I'd be interested in seeing what their view point is. I believe that they will be some of the least respected "scholars" available. | | | |
indium (1575)
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4 years ago
| | you ask what would have happened to the us if you hadn't elected bush? not a lot. what more interesting is what wouldn't have happened. there'd be a few thousand more Americans still alive. A lot fewer people with major grudge matches to play out against the us. We might even still be allowed to take our own drinks on the plane. | | | |
2minicoopers (116)
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4 years ago
| | I didnt' ask what would happen if we didn't elect bush were you talking to me? I did ask what would have happened to the US if we didnt go to war after 9/11 | | | |
Gnosisquest (777)
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4 years ago
| | Coopers: If you are naive enough to believe there are no grave discrepancies in the Bible there is no reason to discuss with you. There were a lot of references on the link I provided you obviously did not bother to read. If the US had not went to war in Iraq they would still be held in high regard in the free world. | | | |
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3. ZephyrSun (3727)
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4 years ago
| | I am not sure where to start. Don't worry I won't attack you but, I'm sure that you will ended up with a lot of ticked off conservatives. When I started reading your post I kept thinking that today I would be afraid to get out of the car and talk to the parents too many bad things happen when people do what they should do. I think you are right about our two system parties and it appears that a lot are fed up with it but do not know how to change it. This nation is broken and we need someone that can actually fix it. Have any ideas as to who could do that? | | | | | | |
xfahctor (7623)
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4 years ago
| | "I think you are right about our two system parties and it appears that a lot are fed up with it but do not know how to change it. This nation is broken and we need someone that can actually fix it. Have any ideas as to who could do that?" Yep, us. | | | |
ZephyrSun (3727)
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4 years ago
| | No kidding X?! lol I know but we have already had this conversation. We need a leader! lol On another note, I now know who Bob Barr is lol He is on some show right now. ewwww I just admitted I was watching a talk show lol | | | |
Gnosisquest (777)
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4 years ago
| | Here is an idea for you: Contact the governments in the European nations which are doing the best and ask them to send advisers on how to fix the system! Most Europeans adopted a system which evolved elsewhere but became discarded; it is called "Government by the people for the people"! | | | |
ZephyrSun (3727)
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4 years ago
| | I could go for a government like that. Lincoln had a great thought that was lost somewhere along the way. Shame huh? | | | |
xfahctor (7623)
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4 years ago
| | Oh, i misunderstood you then, I read it as you didn't know who it was. sorry,.my bad. Tell me zeph, who are you voting for? is it one of the big box brands? | | | |
ZephyrSun (3727)
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4 years ago
| | Didn't I tell you I was writing in Art Bell? I don't know. I grew up with a father that loved JFK and I of course grew up listening (8track remember those? lol) all of JFK's speeches, and everytime I hear Obama speak I am so reminded by JFK. I didn't support Obama until Hillary dropped out. I couldn't with good faith vote for McCain. If he was the man he was in 2000 I would have ended up throwing my support toward McCain. My die hard Democrat husband said that he would have too. Now he is more like every other Republican, I don't blame him. But, my problem with McCain is his "friendship" with Bush. I know politics is politics, but to me it is like he sold out. When he teamed up with Bush it was like making a pact with the devil, since the Bush camp was so awful to him during the 2000 election. I fear he will continue the current policies that aren't helping America and its people. I know I'm a weird Liberal but I can't walk past someone hungry and not do anything about it. I could vote for a different party but, I couldn't live with myself for doing that. Third parties normally take votes away from the Democrats and I just fear that the Republicans do not have my childrens best interest at heart. Well I guess I should have said I know they do not. I'm one that is stuck with the famous HSA's and what an awful mess that is. I know my vote will not make a huge difference but at least I know that I tried to do what I think will best suit my family especially with my children. We both know that the NCLBA and the other bill has done nothing but fail our children, we want the "best and brightest" but we keep allowing politicans to create the "worst and dimmest" (is dimmest even a word? lol) The system is broken but yet until there can be a major change I will have to place my vote with Senator Obama because I feel he will best serve the children of this nation. I couldn't have faith in McCain this election cycle maybe 8 years ago but not today. | | | |
ZephyrSun (3727)
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4 years ago
| | Oh and I forgot to add that I'm getting sick of the whole stigma that the conservative mylotters have created in my mind. So far I have respect for 2 pretty sad since mylot has a majority of conservatives. | | | |
xfahctor (7623)
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4 years ago
| | well I commend you for at least voting. The only vote wasted is one that sits in your pocket at home on election day. | | | |
ZephyrSun (3727)
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4 years ago
| | Well thank you X, I really appreciate the fact that you are honest. I would like to ad that if you were on the ballot I would really listen to what you had to say. Maybe you should start and then we can all listen in four years. | | | |
xfahctor (7623)
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4 years ago
| | well thanks for the vote of confidence. I have said too many things that would bite me in the arse if I ran though. I'd be shredded in the press, i'm too honest and vocal with my thoughts and sometimes, not very nice about it. | | | |
ZephyrSun (3727)
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4 years ago
| | "(...)i'm too honest and vocal with my thoughts and sometimes, not very nice about it. " Too bad politicans weren't like that. And, at times you may not be "nice" but, you are at the very least fair. *I won't tell that you have one thing in common with liberals* lol | | | |
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4. xfahctor (7623)
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4 years ago
| | Congratulations, I think you only missed one or two cliches. Granted it was a touching story and I can sympathize with what happened to you and certainly what almost happened to the lad, but a it's still a bit of a stretch bringing in the war issue with it. "we are governed by an administration which knowingly started a war for the sole purpose of lining the pockets of major corporations" Yes, I'm sure G W was sitting there thnking, jeese, my friends just aren't rich enough, how can I possibly make them richer....I KNOW! I'll START A WAR!" "This administration knowingly murdered thousands of children just like the one" Yes, I'm sure G W was sitting in the oval office with a list of children's residences and locations and directing bombing sortie's to those locations, meniachly grinning. "The American political situation is run by a two-party monopoly, the members of which thwart knowledge and education" No ones fault but the voters. There are nearly 70 some odd parties in this country, pick one, support it, fund it, get them on the ballot in your state and EDUCATE YOURSELF on the issues and your candidates. | | | | | | |
Gnosisquest (777)
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4 years ago
| | Yes you are right; there is a difference between a person accidentally killing a child and an administration which knowingly kills. There was no provocation from Iraq so how come this administration is still at large?! | | | |
xfahctor (7623)
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4 years ago
| | sorry, you just rattled through a moral charge in generalities and alluded to a leader sitting in office intentionaly targeting and killing kids for financial gain. It was rediculous. Whether you agrea with the war or not, this was a rediculous way to argue against it. It's cliche and weak. | | | |
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5. avranesjr (761)
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4 years ago
| | Apparently a nation of majority mindless sheeple, because they voted an obvious bumbling fool as President not once, but twice!! He can't even pronounce a simple 7 letter word; he pronounces it "nuke-ya-ler!" God help us all!!!!!! | | | | | | |
Gnosisquest (777)
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4 years ago
| | Thank you very much for answering the questions! | | | |
avranesjr (761)
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4 years ago
| | Like Joe Friday said: "Just the facts, ma'am, just the facts." | | | |
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6. TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (1509)
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4 years ago
| | Hi Ras, First it is good to see you back, where have you been? As for the administration and the lies to go to war, we need to hold these liars accountable for their actions. Many lives were lost on both sides, one was too many, and we have so many injured people as a result of the violence. How do we solve and stop the violence? First you have to check your reactions at the door, or better yet go through the door and walk away from the confrontation. How do we do what is best for the people of our nation and the american dreams that are being stolen. We have to be involved, you should know more about the latest drama in my life. I have much to share and maybe it would be better through a private email... Let me know when I can send you an update, shock of shocks and horrors of loss... As for the Bible, we are both working on the same team, I have a different opinion about GOD in that I believe in a great power and source in the Universe, this is not the God that is preached by the Bible thumpers, although my belief is supported by the Bible and other outside sources. It is really great to see you posting again, :) Your Friend, Gary | | | | | | |
Gnosisquest (777)
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4 years ago
| | HI GWB; I have been busy studying cellular biology along with mental plasticity in an attempt to understand better who and what we really are. I was under the impression that I was too hard on people that followed Judaism/Islam/Christianity but after having concluded much of my studies I realize I have not been harsh enough. Please send an update any time, would like to know how you are doing. There is no need for a creator and until I see evidence of one I will support evolution even though I believe it was different from what Darwin proposed. This is more in line with how I now feel; http://evolution.berkeley... All the best and your God is all right as long as he is not just one of those created by a war lord to fool young men into getting killed for a useless cause. | | | |
Hatley (48813)
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4 years ago
| | If you two eggheads detest our government and all of us Americans so damned much, leave, I will happily pack your bags. If you are really americans you are pathetic.its so easy to bash any country but dont use mylot for your personal battles.Alotof good honest people live here, good decent people who do not need to be called names nor listen to all your garbage. | | | |
Gnosisquest (777)
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4 years ago
| | This country was founded by people who desired to get away from the rule of the theocratic domination and rule by an elite upper class. Those that love the country speak up when they see the US falling prey to the kind of leadership Europe was cursed with! | | | |
TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (1509)
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4 years ago
| | I see my response to coopers was deleted... I'd like to see a response to how Mark 15:47 can be with out error. Mary Magdalene and Mary Mother of Joses went to see where he was laid. Now who is the subject of the sentence? He was laid? Who was laid, Joses? For clarification we should be talking about where Jesus was laid, and then why use the pronoun he for Jesus? Who was the first person to publish the Bible for the masses? What language was this first edition printed? One more thing, my GOD is GOD not a god of gender, not a god he or a goddess. My GOD is the GOD of life and the GOD of the living a greater GOD than our human imagination and our will to destroy, many humans destroy while my GOD builds and heals. There is much to learn about the GOD that is my GOD and Ras, your evolution and belief in evolution fits in well with the creation by my GOD, as my GOD is slightly different that the god taught by those Bible thumpers. My belief will align with yours, but not theirs... Hately, Only an Anti-American can accuse others of being Anti-American, just as Anti-Christans can judge others to be Anti-Christian... A true Christian is a good Samaritan while a false or anti-christian is a bully. | | | |
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| 7. phil0628 (5)
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4 years ago
| | I really do not know what sort of people be in such a fashion. | | | | | | |
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8. Hatley (48813)
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4 years ago
| | gnosisquest what do you mean, what sortof people? We are americans, we love and hate, get married and have kids, and well we are a lot like most of the people on this planet.I think we are pretty good people, we have loaned out oddles of money to othercountries , we care for our oldand our kids,we are not ogres or monsters,we are just people.we have more than two parties,but so many areafraid they will lose their vote ifthey vote for otherthan republican or democrat? We dont have very good pickings this year for the election.We are not being used, we have free choice.what are you after, bashing my people? look we have done a lot of good in this world someof what you say is true and a lot horribly exaggerated but then you would not be able to bash us Americans if you did not have a lot of hyperbole.What sortof nation is this? One that is free, the land of the free andthe brave? I am proud to be an American If you dont like our country theres the door, dont let it hit you on the butt. | | | | | | |
rodney850 (931)
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4 years ago
| | Hatley, I strongly second that motion and will gladly help you pack their bags! Maybe Russia will take them and then send them to Siberia when they should even dare to speak out against the government there! | | | |
Gnosisquest (777)
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4 years ago
| | Of the three countries I have lived in more than ten years this is the only one in which I have heard it suggested that a person leave if he does not agree with corruption in government. | | | |
TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (1509)
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4 years ago
| | 50 percent of all marriages end in divorce that is a lot of children living with one parent through a hell of life experience. Our elderly have their homes stolen while they end up sitting in nursing homes as they were abused emotionally and sometimes physically. We are a land of bullies and the corruption has to be exposed and stopped... | | | |
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9. underdogtoo (8736)
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4 years ago
| | It does give me pause about America being great. Sadly, I see greatness sitting side by side with ineptitude and bankruptcy of reasonable thought. | | | | | | |
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10. evanslf (406)
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4 years ago
| | Well the Iraq war has been a disaster unless you take the view that removing Saddam has been worth all the blood and treasure that has been spillt. I have gone into detail as to all the negative consequences of this war on another post but won't repeat that here (too many negatives, the only positives is removing Saddam and maybe, over time, a stable secular democracy will be established, but then again, more likely that you could have a shiite theocracy as the shiite religious parties have the most votes in Iraq, so this could lead to Sharia law being imposed, women losing their rights, forced to wear the veil, etc.) Just to correct one thing, Al-Quaida is a Sunni outfit, not Shiite. Saddam was Sunni but the poster was correct that Saddam had no links to Al-Quaida as he didn't trust religious fanatics, he was very much a secular dictator though towards the end of his rule in Iraq, there was some islamisation as he tried to buttress his support by pandering to Islamists. As for others who have stated what we would have done if we had not attacked Iraq, well that's simple. We rightly invaded Afghanistan after 9/11. Attacking Iraq (which Bush was looking to do only 2 days after 9/11 even though he had no evidence to show that Iraq was linked to 9/11 in any way) opened up a second front, totally unnecessarily. Had we not attacked Iraq, we could have concentrated on just 1 front, ie Afghanistan and have gotten it right and have had a much better chance of capturing Bin Laden by now. We would have saved trillions of dollars, we wouldn't have killed upto a million Iraqis (including children) and we wouldn't have acted as a mega recruiting sargeant for Al-Quaida. Iraq was not a serious threat to the US or the Western world in 2003. Al-Quaida was and needed to be dealt with. Iraq was a potential threat as it had had chemical weapons in the past (note Halabja), but this is different from saying repeatedly that Iraq was a 'growing danger', a 'serious threat' that required immediate action now. That was not the case as obviously no weapons of mass destruction were found (and before the war, many in the intelligence community were saying that Iraq was no greater a threat than it had been since the first gulf war back in 1991). Indeed, some weapons inspectors (Scott Ritter) said that he doubted that any weapons would be found, so why didn't we listen to him - at least he knew what he was talking about. So this was a war of choice. Bush had it in for Iraq from the very start. He cynically used the climate of fear generated by 9/11 to further his goal to attack Saddam, even though he had no evidence to show a link to 9/11 (this confirmed by the conclusions of the 9/11 Commission). As for religion, what I find strange is this: the religious right goes on all the time about abortion, the right to life. Now how is it so many of them supported this dastardly war which ended the 'right to life' for so many hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, let alone 4000 plus American soldiers. How can they justify to God on the day of judgement that they only supported this war as a last resort? How will they justify their support for Bush's rush to war in March 2003, short-circuiting the inspection process thus not allowing the inspectors those critical few more months to complete their work and present a final report to the Security Council? War sometimes unfortunately needs to be fought (ie Iraq in 1990 and Afghanistan in 2001). But it should ALWAYS be fought as a last resort. That was clearly not the case in 2003. That was why so many people, including myself, objected to it at the time as we were not convinced that this war was necessary and we were suspicious of Bush's motives and agenda. We were proved sadly right, even more so than we could have ever imagined. | | | | | | |
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4 years ago
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Gnosisquest (777)
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4 years ago
| | The idiocy of the religious right is that they attempt to make people follow absurd notions from for example some old fertility cult. Had they truly cared about removing unwanted pregnancies they would promote education as ignorance is its primary cause. The religious right desires a government where freedom of education is limited for they prey on the weak and insecure fearing the masses will discover the feeble basis of their arguments. If people learn to follow authority government and religious institutions will not be questioned. | | | |
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