The proof the God of Judaism, Islam and Christianity does not exist.

I also respect other people's choices provided they are given some facts regarding booth sides and have come to their belief on their own.

If you read what I stated at the beginning you would have seen that I have no intention of proving there is no God just like I have no intention of proving there is not a donkey in orbit around the earth waiting for the next prophet.

I really like your post. I just watched a DVD called "The Bible Tells Me So", and it was very thought provoking. I have all respect for the Bible. However, like you wrote, that some religions may have been started to help people behave themselves, I think the Bible is for that. It teaches high moral standards. But it has been interpreted in so many different ways, by so many different minds, and in so many different times and circumstances, for so many different reasons. I guess what one person thinks the Bible is telling them, another reads it totally different, and think it's telling them in another way. I am a strong God believer. I think our very existence proves that there is a God. But, as humans, we love the complexities of philosophical speculations, and we indulge our egos, thinking that we somehow know everything, reaching profound conclusions through what we see or hear with our physical (and very limited) senses. However, I do believe that if one desires the truth about God, ourselves, death, life...that that truth is within us, and all we have to do is want to find it. It takes much courage and humility to be able to do this. I feel that there have been individuals who do know the truth, and have tried to impart these truths upon us. Being able to recognize these individuals,and the truths they are trying to give us purely and directly, is a challenge, however, as long as we keep our minds closed, and as long as we are too busy with our physical desires and goals, to see clearly. Once we embark on our journeys to discover these truths within us, we automatically return to our pure and original nature of goodness. We all naturally possess the qualities of compassion, humility, tolerance, beauty, strength, knowledge, unconditional love, detachment, within us. We just need to find the key to unlock these qualities. That's the human journey.

Certainly it is a personal choice what parents decide to teach their children; but within reason! For example; I have heard a parent tell his child that the child is stupid for not understanding how Pontius Pilates was an evil person. The child stated that if it was predestined that he was to betray Jesus then God was to blame and not Pontius Pilates. The one who was stupid here was the parent for intimidating his child. The question is perfectly legitimate and the answer meant the child was supposed to dumb down to the parents level which is not OK.

This form of teaching is terrorism; punishing a child for employing his mind is inexcusable.

Since all indications are that the Bible/Koran is in error it all children should be made aware of these errors. It is quite possible higher states of existence are available to us but authoritarian forms of presenting these prevent children from growing up normally. Authorative teaching allowing no questioning prevent people from discovering deeper truths and force them in many instances to dumb down to whatever social "norms" are in vogue.

Such things as "life proves there is a God"! Is only one way of dumbing down society to its norms and socially we should be striving to exceed the standards of living suffered by our ancestors and exceed those morally ethically and spiritually!

Telling a child their stupid...regardless of reason...is bad parenting, not terrorism. Terrorism is defined as:

ter·ror·ism/'t?r??r?z?m/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ter-uh-riz-uhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.
2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

I still don't associate religion and terrorism as the same thing...perhaps it's simply a personal way of looking at it. In extreme cases where parents are teaching their children to commit suicide in the name of religion, then it would actually be a form of abuse more than terrorism...

Now if a child were being beaten into learning a religion or tortured for not learning a religion than I guess that would fall under the heading of terrorism but I haven't heard of that...at least here in the US.

**AT PEACE WITHIN**

~~STAND STRONG IN YOUR BELIEFS~~

I forgot to mention I thought this is a good discussion though, regardless weather I agree with you or not

Oh I know what theory is; it is what people teach their children regarding God/Allah.

While all the material against the possibility renders the possibility of the Judaic legends virtually impossible I'll grant you it could be taken as a theory.

The only objection I have is the teaching of these religious doctrines as fact since it is not fact. Teach children what you may believe but leave them the option of learning their own truth. This is not done in a vast majority of "Christian families" here in the US. While the Christians no longer murder apostates Muslims still do, and that is terrorism against their own children.

There is not a person alive who has the right to tell another what he or she should believe; yet we all have the right to present evidence and express our opinions.

Well put. I believe in giving my children a start in religion. This is what my mother did. I teach them about the bible, without passing judgment on others, because this is not my place, and I don't just say that like most people, all my friends believe in different things, half of them are atheists, and I could care less, I believe my way and they believe theirs. But in the end my children need to make the decision on their own, the way I did. I researched other religions I was interested in and came to a conclusion on my own. What other people do with their kids I don't know, that's on them.

I thank you for your contribution as the beliefs of India are far more humane and realistic. Between the Indian beliefs which are similar to the ancient Egyptian beliefs and the Gnostics there is enough material to satisfy the inquiring mind.

People who have to try and think through preconceived truths they received from early childhood are severely handicapped and seeing those that are freed from this encumbrance is indeed a pleasure.

i agree indian beliefs are mild. but there are some grey areas which in the last 100 years have changed a lot. caste wars, untouchability were thing of past, or may be about 60yrs. eventhough it is not fully gone, there are stray incidents here and there which has led to social tensions.
what i liked in you is when you said "knowledge" has to be given prime importance over belief system. sadly for religious leaders and politicians 'knowledge' is someting to be kept away from common people.

The historical basis for the three Abrahamic religions is false hence the concept which Judaism, Islam and Christianity instill in the mind of their followers is false.

You are right in that it is impossible to prove that no God(s) exist.

The fraud is not from the ancient tales that have been distorted; the people who concocted the tales could well have believed that what they wrote based on their superstitions and dreams were facts. Those others then reworded things to make it appear as if there was a guaranteed "heaven" if they offered their lives for a God that was fraud in order to create better fighters.

Today after all the archeology, research and translation of different ancient documents we know the source of the material in the Bible/Koran. We know what was added to ancient documents such as Josephus and the fraud today is passing off the Biblical material as being an authentic representation of what came from people inspired by a God.

Not so my friend; there is no evidence something exists yet lots of evidence that everything it is a fabrication: This indicates that with virtual certainty the chances of it existing is practically nil.

you have a point there if in case the evidences have been indeed fabricated...

then again, there is no certainty that the evidences you said that were fabricated did originate from actual practitioners and/or believers of the said religion... it could just have been a propaganda by other people during their time, with the hopes of destroying the credibility of the religion in future generations... the way i see it, we have to look from different views on matters pertaining to the authenticity of something... which then leads us to having FAITH in something we believe in... i am not implying though that just because we have faith in something, we should be close-minded in the opinions of other people... which is why i kind of enjoy arguments such as this one.. it helps me clarify some things i have in my mind...:)

It makes me happy to see that you do your own thinking. No person has the right to tall another which belief he/she should have; everyone has the right to tell another that he/she should think.

Like a courtroom? Have you seen someone in a courtroom come with an explanation which needs supernatural intervention in order to be considered? Since there is no credible evidence for the supernatural evidence produced by JIC no court would even consider it possible that it was correct.

Dude, obviously you took this comment literally. Your simple-mindedness failed to see the analogy and essence of this comment.


I actually LOLed at this one:
"Have you seen someone in a courtroom come with an explanation which needs supernatural intervention in order to be considered?"


I won't answer you any further seeing as how "simple" your mind is.. like a train on a one-way track (get it?).

Anyways, good luck in your quest for knowledge.. it obviously shows how you digest every piece of information that you get.

There is no reason to believe the Koran is accurate in anything other than relating what the warrior Muhammad desired. There are no revelations and no miracles only a recipe for death and destruction; oh and a recipe for repression and intimidating otherwise sane people.

Wishful thinking is what brings people to Las Vegas for example; the effect of wishful thinking is seen in casinos which grow larger all the time. Your dream of Allah' paradise is no more sound than the dream of a person in a casino who believes the next roll of the dice will make him/her independently wealthy!