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myLot reputation of 99/100. crispeater (1461)   ranked 89 out of 38,237 in life1 year ago

Yesterday I signed up for an Irish forum to complain about an issue in my town. The issue was that a swan had been caught in a fishing line and looked like he was going to die. I had tried to get help from a number of people but couldn't. One of the people that wouldn't help was a park warden. This park warden was Polish and his English language skills weren't very good. As a result of this he couldn't understand what I was saying when I told him about the swan. I told him a swan was caught in a fishing line and he couldn't grasp what I was saying. I kept trying to explain about this poor swan but he had no idea what I was talking about.

Anyway, I mentioned the park warden on the forum and one of the replies I got was "why was the fact the warden was Polish relevant". This person totally ignored my comment about the swan being left to suffer and was intent on brandishing me as being prejudiced against Polish immigrants. I have nothing against any nationality and I would never want to offend anyone. However I'm not going to be so blinded by "political correctness" that I'm going to gloss over actual facts just in case I may offend someone. A beautiful swan could have died because someone couldn't speak English. I wanted to speak out about this. I wasn't going to leave out important parts of the story just in case I offended someone. I would be just as critical if an animal was being mistreated in Poland because an Irish man couldn't do his job.

Do you think I should have left out certain parts of the story so as not to offend anyone? Is "political correctness" now more important than telling the truth?

 
 
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1. myLot reputation of 99/100. lilaclady (19665)   ranked 1,096 out of 38,237 in life   1 year ago

No I have thought for a long time political correctness had gone way too far, racism has gone too far. These days if you say anything against some races it is because of that race when more to the point it is just because those particular people simply just may not be nice people...Personally I think a park warden in an English speaking country should be able to speak good English anyway...I will even take it one step further and say that any who wnats to enter an English speaking country to work should be able to speak English.


myLot reputation of 99/100. crispeater (1461)   ranked 89 out of 38,237 in life  1 year ago

I agree. This park warden should be fired in my opinion because animals and maybe people are in danger. If a child in the park happened to cut themselves on glass or something it would be useless to ask this park warden to help because he wouldn't understand. Anyone who might have to deal with the public in an English speaking country should speak fluent English. Some people might call that prejudice, I'd say it's common sense. I'd feel just as strongly if an Irish park warden in Poland was putting animals or people at risk because he didn't speak fluent Polish.

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2. myLot reputation of 99/100. nannacroc (2356)   ranked 5,666 out of 38,237 in life   1 year ago

You were right to give the full story. If the warden had been able to communicate in English, which is the language of the country he lives and works in, there would not have been an issue. Personally I am sick and tired of the way our freedom of speech is being eroded. It wasn't the mans nationality you had a problem with, it was the fact that communication in English is vital to his role and he was unable to fulfil that requirement.
I have begun to refuse to try and communicate with people I do not understand and ask for an English speaker, this may not be considered politically correct but I am English and live in England so it's my right to be spoken to in my language.


myLot reputation of 99/100. crispeater (1461)   ranked 89 out of 38,237 in life  1 year ago

I agree. It's not too much to ask for someone that deals with the public to be able to speak English. I wouldn't mind so much if this happened in a shoe shop or something, but an innocent animal could have died just because someone couldn't speak English. There's two park wardens who can barely speak English and this is the second time this has happened. I think I should complain to the council about this.

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3. myLot reputation of 96/100. pumpkinjam (2756)   ranked 877 out of 38,237 in life   1 year ago

You're absolutely right, political correctness has gone mad.
I think you were right to mention that the man couldn't understand you, you weren't being racist, you were just making a point. I think that anyone who works in some form of public service should be able to speak and understand the language of the country they're working in.

For instance, I wouldn't go to and work in a public service role in France and expect them to understand me. It doesn't make any sense at all.

You're certainly not racist and the person who reckoned you are must not be very clever, or possibly didn't read the whole thing first.


myLot reputation of 96/100. pumpkinjam (2756)   ranked 877 out of 38,237 in life  1 year ago

(Whoops, sorry this is me (DORY) I'm logged on as my sister, I forgot)


myLot reputation of 99/100. crispeater (1461)   ranked 89 out of 38,237 in life  1 year ago

Hi Dory, I didn't recognise you there for a minute. lol

I think some people refuse to see what's important. As soon as anything is said about foreign people they assume it's prejudice. I wonder if this person asked the park warden for help and couldn't get through to him would he be so "politically correct".

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4. myLot reputation of 98/100. Opal26 (9836)   ranked 209 out of 38,237 in life   1 year ago

Hey crispeater, I don't think that you did anything wrong
by voicing your opinion. It is not right that they have
a warden who doesn't understand the English language. What
good is he if he can't understand and therefore can't do
his job? This isn't the first time that you have needed
his help. I'm quite sure that you are not the only person
who has needed his help and had the same problem. I'm
also sure that you are not the only person who has had
a commplaint either. So don't feel badly about voicing
your opinion when you are perfectly in the right. Whoever
hired this person is in the wrong. What is the use of having
him around when he doesn't understand anyone and can't or
won't do his job? This has nothing to do with political
correctness and if anyone feels that way they are wrong
and it's ridiculous.


myLot reputation of 99/100. crispeater (1461)   ranked 89 out of 38,237 in life  1 year ago

This was actually a different park warden. There's two park wardens who can barely speak English. That's the second time a warden wouldn't help an animal in distress. I find it sickening that people let this happen just so as not to hurt anyones feelings.

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5. myLot reputation of 82/100. KrazyKlingon (3171)   ranked 3,825 out of 38,237 in life   1 year ago

I would have to see it to actually see what was going on, but ...

This sounds to me like he didn't read the whole thing. All in all, I would think he was the idiot for not reading it properly or maybe misunderstood it, & is something that should be pointed out.

It happens here on MyLot often as well in that they seem to have not properly read & understood the discussion & pretty much went on an attacking spree. Being that MyLot is a paid site, if the guy keeps insisting that he read & understood it, & that he stands by what he said, I just jump in with my comment that in a long-winded statement that he purposely misunderstood it so he could post what he did just for the money.

If people do get something for posting at that forum, that might just do the trick - acusing him of purposely misunderstanding it just to make the extra postings.


myLot reputation of 99/100. crispeater (1461)   ranked 89 out of 38,237 in life  1 year ago

This other forum doesn't pay money. I think some people just want to start arguments on the net.
I explained why the park warden being Polish was relevant but it went over his head. There's just no pint in reasoning with some people.

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6. myLot reputation of 95/100. fasttalker (2195)   ranked 600 out of 38,237 in life   1 year ago

Oh this is a real subject with me. I don't think you did anything wrong and I agree about the whole "politically cirrect issue." I may spark some flames myself but it drives me insane that I call a business and can't understand what they are saying...Let's just clear this up..I have no problem with any race, religion or nationality and I am not prejudice. But with that being said, I will try to explain.
I called my insurance company the other day to make a few minor changes in my auto insurance. Dropping one vehicle and adding another. I was on the phone for over 30 minutes and so frustrated because the poor fellow on the other end couldn't understand me and I could barely understand him. I felt like I was patient for long enough so I say to him "I'm sorry but we are not making any progress here because I can't communicate very well with you, could you please see if you could get me a representative that speaks fluent English?".... OMG I was looking for the FBI to come crashing in my door to arrest me for some hidious crime. The poor guy was insulted, not to mention so was I and I never did get the changes made. He hung up on me! I guess I'll call back another day and hope for someone I can understand to answer! LOL
Here is my theory that may not sit right with some...If you're going to work a public job in the USA then SPEAK ENGLISH!
I told you this was a touchy subject with me! LOL Have a great day!
BTW I love swans hope all is well with this one now!


Swan

myLot reputation of 99/100. crispeater (1461)   ranked 89 out of 38,237 in life  1 year ago

I don't think your request to speak to someone who spoke English was unreasonable and I don't see why anyone would be insulted.
I think the swan was rescued and is doing well by the way. Thanks for the picture. Here's a picture I took of a different swan a few weeks ago. happy

 
 
7. myLot reputation of 78/100. glechelle (109)   ranked 3,359 out of 38,237 in life   1 year ago

Well I think you've done nothing wrong. He's difficulty in understanding you is the main issue here. It's not about he's nationality. You have to point out that was the reason why he failed to help you out. Some people just make an issue out of nowhere. It's pretty apparent that you were not discriminating. Probably you should be more nicer so that you will not be misinterpreted.


myLot reputation of 99/100. crispeater (1461)   ranked 89 out of 38,237 in life  1 year ago

A few other people responded to me and no one else misunderstood my point so only one person had a problem with what I said.

 
8. myLot reputation of 92/100. Irishfrndly65 (7368)   ranked 469 out of 38,237 in life   1 year ago

No you didn't do wrong. People that are looking for prejudice will see it in the most innocent of places and twist your words accordingly to fit their agenda. You would have had to explain that the person couldn't understand your language, so they would just have thought you were prejudice against anyone not speaking english. You can't win with people like that so why bother. Don't let it worry you Cris and just look elsewhere for fellowship.

Btw, did you see my post on a theremin?
Later,
Irish


myLot reputation of 99/100. crispeater (1461)   ranked 89 out of 38,237 in life  1 year ago

You're right. I explained to him that it was relevant because the warden was impossible to communicate with but he seemed intent on starting an argument. There's no point in even trying to talk to some people.

I just responded to your theremin discussion.

 
9. myLot reputation of 98/100. James72 (6965)   ranked 71 out of 38,237 in life   1 year ago

Without knowing the exact context of what you actually wrote crispeater it is somewhat difficult to give an opinion either way. I do believe that political correctness has gone way too far in so many cases but like it or not it DOES mean that we have to watch our backs more than ever. Of course someone that is against the case in point will find ANY angle they can to discredit it. To have made specific reference to the warden's inability to understand the problem, full stop; rather than his inability to understand with the Polish reference thrown in would have probably been a far safer play here. So yes, I think it may have been wiser to leave out certain parts like this. I think it's BS that we all have to be this sensitive to such trivialities to be honest, but it is what it is.


myLot reputation of 99/100. crispeater (1461)   ranked 89 out of 38,237 in life  1 year ago

The reason the warden couldn't understand was because of his poor English skills. There really wasn't any way of explaining the situation without mentioning that. This is roughly the way the conversation with the warden went -
Me- "Excuse me, does anyone look after the swans?"
Warden - "Yes"
Me "There's a swan caught in a fishing line. Could you get help?"
Warden - "That's ok."
Me - There's a swan DYING!
Warden "That's ok. People are allowed to fish here."

This warden seemed to think I was complaining about teenagers fishing nearby or something. All he seemed to understand was the word "fishing". He saw me looking at the river and thought I was referring to the teens fishing. If he had spoken fluent English he would have understood and could have phoned for help.

While this conversation was happening there was a swan being strangled and drooling at the mouth just a few feet away. This swan was dying and no one would help. That's what I found offensive. I was surprised the guy on the forum didn't care about that.

This is actually the second time an incident like this has happened because a park warden couldn't understand English. I wanted to highlight this issue to get people in my town to care and maybe do something to stop it happening again. To do that I had to tell the whole story.


myLot reputation of 98/100. James72 (6965)   ranked 71 out of 38,237 in life  1 year ago

Hi crispeater, yes I appreciate THIS angle and the seriousness of the situation; but my statement regarding the context of the wording was in relation to the comments made to the forum. The return comment made by someone was a reference to your supposed anti-Polish stance (Which of course is BS) so I was interested to know how the Polish references were expressed in this sense. I hope that the swan ended up OK in the end.


myLot reputation of 99/100. crispeater (1461)   ranked 89 out of 38,237 in life  1 year ago

Hi James. I knew what you meant. happy
I just thought I'd explain in more detail about what had happened on the forum and how the guy was offended about the Polish park warden comment when he should have been more offended about no one helping a swan in distress. I found it a little strange that even with all his apparent "political correctness" that he didn't seem to care about the swan suffering and no one helping. Like you said, it's BS.

I think the swan was rescued. I phoned the ISPCA (Irish Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals) and left a message. They phoned me back the next morning and said they had had a few calls and someone had been sent out to help.
Thanks for responding.

 
10. myLot reputation of 72/100. irishidid (3045)   ranked 6,841 out of 38,237 in life   1 year ago

Political correctness has reached the point of stupid. This person saw the word "Polish" and instead of reading your post, concentrated all of their efforts on condemning you. Anyone with a brain would have seen you were speaking of a language barrier.

In the States it can be worse. We're being told we should be learning Spanish so we can communicate with those who can't speak English. I'm in the process of learning another language, but it isn't Spanish and being told I'm the one at fault because I can't understand a person is offensive to me.


myLot reputation of 99/100. crispeater (1461)   ranked 89 out of 38,237 in life  1 year ago

I think it's sad when "political correctness" reaches a point where you're supposed to put up with someone doing a terrible job and placing animals and humans at risk.

 
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