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myLot reputation of 96/100. carmelanirel (12225) 4 years ago

Ok, I need advice here, I can't believe this happened...I thought politics, like religion was not to be talked about in classroom..(Though taking G♥d out of schools was wrong, He should stay, especially since they allowing other religions in)

Anyways, that is beside the point and this is what happened.

In my sons first grade class the teachers aid was sitting with my son and other boys..The other boys were talking about candidate A and the teachers aid was agreeable to them, but when my son said something about liking candidate B, she looked at him in shock..shocked What kind of crap is that??? She just made my son feel like they are all against him..

What is ironic though, is that there are many candidate B signs where we live, so I am thinking where his school is located, candidate A is very popular..Still, they were not in a discussion on politics for their lesson, the boys were just talking and I think the teachers aid should have said something and not made my son feel bad..Or allowed the boys to go at it on their own..I think she getting involved like that was very unprofessional..

What do you think? Should we call the school and complain? If we did, would that make the teachers aid come against my son? I don't want more trouble for my son, but if we complain like my husband wants to do, I fear that it will be taken out on him, whether it be the teachers aid or the other boys..

 

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1. myLot reputation of 93/100. worldwise1 (6189)   ranked 88 out of 9,015 in parenting   4 years ago

Well shame on me, carmelanirel! I didn't even know that kids were interested in politics at such a young age.dohI digress though. By all means I think you should speak with your son's teacher about the incident. Your son will be able to tell you if he gets any negative feedback from it. The aide was out of order in this situation.


myLot reputation of 96/100. carmelanirel (12225)  4 years ago

Well what is funny is we don't talk politics here..We know who we are voting for and we vote, but we never tell our kids, we feel they should make up their own minds..Now if my son were to come to me and ask me questions, I would explain why I am voting for this person, but other than that, we don't tlak about it..

And I too am surprised that kids are expressing this, I do know my son was and I have no idea how he came to prefer this candidate, but I wasn't going to make him shut up about it..Maybe I should have told him however, that expressing his preference, may make others turn against him..

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2. myLot reputation of 99/100. writersedge (7235)   ranked 838 out of 9,015 in parenting   4 years ago

It is always unprofessional to state one candidate over another in a school setting. The positive statements of each should be presented and allowed to be debated. Sounds like the teacher's aide is probably related to Candidate A. Teacher's aides, I've found from working in schools, range in professionalism. Just like, unfortunatley, so do some teachers.

Either things will get better or worse if you complain. No way to see in the future which way it will go. Who were you going to call? The teacher should be supervising her aide. So she would be the first point of contact. If you did, I would approach it from the "Freedom of speech" aspect, and he has a right to his opinion. Whether you call or not, write the incident down, write the time and date. But also remember that unless you saw the situation, there may also be more to it than your son said. We had a student who hated a teacher and the parents came in every day. Finally, they videotaped the class and showed it to the parents. The kid was only telling the parents half the story. So there is that consideration, too.

But make sure you note things as this aide may have already taken a dislike to your child and he may have not said anything until it started to bother him or it may be a fluke. Not sure what I would do. Take care


myLot reputation of 96/100. carmelanirel (12225)  4 years ago

Thanks writer, you are right, I may be only hearing half the story..I don't know who my husband wanted to call, I assumed it would be the principal, but now that you and World said the teacher, that would probably who we contact if we did..


myLot reputation of 99/100. writersedge (7235)   ranked 838 out of 9,015 in parenting  4 years ago

If your husband wants to contact the teacher, fine. But since you are going for a job in that school (correct?) you may want to be careful. People have a knack of bringing things up, esp. during interviews that can catch you off guard as it is. So running to the Principal or someone who may end up being your boss and/or interviewer later, could, at the very least, be awkward. Take care.


myLot reputation of 96/100. carmelanirel (12225)  4 years ago

Yes you are correct..In fact ove rthe summer when they had many openings for teachers aides, I applied and so this woman is in a position that could have been mine.. So I think maybe if he or I were to be subtle to the teacher herself that maybe when (if) they do call for an interview, then I won't be taking that risk of talking to someone who I just made a complaint to.


myLot reputation of 99/100. writersedge (7235)   ranked 838 out of 9,015 in parenting  4 years ago

Thanks for best response. Take care and I hope things work out soon.


myLot reputation of 96/100. carmelanirel (12225)  4 years ago

You are welcome and I did talk to the teacher and she is considering what to do.:)

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3. myLot reputation of 96/100. fasttalker (2195)   ranked 882 out of 9,015 in parenting   4 years ago

Do you ever wonder who the adult is in the classroom? whistle

She should have tried to change the subject when it raised it's head and otherwise remained opinionless whether it was by her expression or mouth and let the subject die out on its own.

I would speak to someone at the school and express my opinion whether it resolved anything or not. At least let her know that you are aware of what's going on and do not appreciate it. Maybe she'll think before she acts the next time.

Have a good day!



myLot reputation of 96/100. carmelanirel (12225)  4 years ago

Yes, that is what I thought too, if I was in that position..I would have tried to change the subject, or at least not show my preference in front of the children..

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4. myLot reputation of 86/100. mechanicNOT62 (1590)   4 years ago

You've really got a dilemma. Don't we all? And I honestly believe your roll is to sit your child down and explain to him/her that there are jerks in the world and he/she is to expect differences of opinion in life (throughout) so that he/she learns to deal with them. It sure was very unprofessional of that person to act that way, especially with the children. What a poor example of the tolerance we're known for!


myLot reputation of 96/100. carmelanirel (12225)  4 years ago

Yes, mechanic, I realize now that I should have told him that talking about certain things in school may cause someone to be mean..I think I will suggest talking to the teacher first to my husband and see what she says..


myLot reputation of 86/100. mechanicNOT62 (1590)  4 years ago

It's not just that but the fact that our children recognize the teachers as people in authority...it just works that way...and so they become influential. And think about how many hours the children spend under that kind of influence, so... what's a kid going to do? How are they being programmed to think? Or influenced? I take that responsibility very seriously.


myLot reputation of 96/100. carmelanirel (12225)  4 years ago

Yes, I understand that more than you know..But writersedge above you mentioned something that she knew and that is, I am applying for a job at this same school, so I got to also watch how this is handled, I can't just go overreacting, that won't look good...But if my husband was to talk to the teacher, keeping it low key, but also letting them know that we know what was done, they may be more careful in the future..


myLot reputation of 86/100. mechanicNOT62 (1590)  4 years ago

That's smart.

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5. myLot reputation of 20/100. Tallymommy (1907)   4 years ago

I would not only say something to the aid herself, but have your child wear either blue or red all week just to make a point, but I'm a bit weird like that, and teach him to talk about God as much as possible, lol!


myLot reputation of 96/100. carmelanirel (12225)  4 years ago

Ok, this might be a stupid question, but does red stand for one candidate and blue for the other, or is it just the example of this is America and we shouldn't belittle our children for their opinion? I do encourage him to talk about G♥d, but I don't think he does at school, but he does with his nephews and he tells me about it..Unfortunately my son doesn't know enough to show them the truth when they question it..:( But he will, I have been teaching him, but we kind of slacked off since school started..


myLot reputation of 20/100. Tallymommy (1907)  4 years ago

Red = Republican
Blue = Democrat


I think I'll start wearing purple more, lol!!


myLot reputation of 96/100. carmelanirel (12225)  4 years ago

lol That just goes to show how much I know..And purple is my favorite color, maybe I will start wearing it too..thumbup

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6. myLot reputation of 68/100. Foxxee (2694)   4 years ago

Well politics is discussed in school, but I thought it was with the older kids. I know the teachers also sometimes have their class go at it with eachother && everyone is open to discuss why or why they don't like A or B. They have their own debate about A && B. It's a learning situation... I guess. But it's allowed.

As for your son, I think hes a little young && maybe the school should be called. But I wouldn't jump the boat to fast. Maybe your son thought she was giving him a weird look, maybe she wasn't. Sometimes kids can mix emotions. But with that said, I would still bring it up to the teacher. It's your right. I would just make it clear that if your gonna discuss it, don't make someone feel left out or bad for liking one over the other.


myLot reputation of 96/100. carmelanirel (12225)  4 years ago

I found out exactly what happened tonight when I talked to my son..There were 2 other boys and one said I am voting for A and the teacher aide said good and the other boy said the same thing and once again she said good, then my son said he was voting for B and she "gasp" as in shock as to what he said..He said the other 2 boys were laughing because she said good to them, but I don't know, I think allowing that to become a 2 against 1 was very wrong..Besides like you said, in middle or high school this can be acceptable, but not for a 6 y/o...

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7. myLot reputation of 93/100. highflyingxangel (9336)   ranked 2,123 out of 9,015 in parenting   4 years ago

I'd let it go at this point. I wouldn't push it. I think a more agreeable response from the teachers aid should have been that we shouldn't talk about politics but we should talk about the lesson and then steered the conversation back to what they were working on. I think you should just let your son know that politics is a personal choice and that everyone has their own opinion on the matter and that's OK. Now, if your son says it happens again and he's really bothered by her reaction then maybe I'd bring it up. But I think you should let your son know that liking someone different is OK.


myLot reputation of 96/100. carmelanirel (12225)  4 years ago

I found out tonight exactly what happened, I wrote it in the above reply. It was also a 2 against 1 and I think that is wrong..And it did bother him, he came home Friday upset and my husband couldn't get it out of him until much later that night..Now, because I am applying for a job there, I think I will just let my husband talk to the teacher, just so she knows that we know what happened and to also let her know what happened too..

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8. myLot reputation of 82/100. Greeneagle24 (3710)   4 years ago

We had the same experience during elementary. but you know it's just part of school activities. just dont take it too seriously. it happens once in an elementary life.


myLot reputation of 96/100. carmelanirel (12225)  4 years ago

So you don't think that was unprofessional of this teachers aide? I think she needs to know that she was out of line, I mean if it was a teacher who talked about Jesus in school, you know that she would probably get her butt fired...

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9. myLot reputation of 79/100. philjas (922)   ranked 2,236 out of 9,015 in parenting   4 years ago

First, red is Republican and blue is Democrat.

As for God being taken out of schools, the reason for that is completely valid, we have a separation of church and state in this country, and this is to protect the religious freedom of ALL people. If Christians were allowed to inject religion into government or politics, then we'd have to allow EVERY religion to do the same thing. The point is to have equality and religious freedom for ALL, by not allowing ANY to mix with government. Public schools are government run, hence, no religion in school. Politics, on the other hand, is allowed by it seems terribly wrong for a teacher to use their authority to try to sway students one way or the other. The majority of kids in school are too young to vote anyway, the exception being high school kids who reach 18 before graduating. But even though the majority of public school students can't vote, they can certainly be swayed by teachers and go home and try to sway their parents. I think I'd be rather enraged if I found out any of my son's teachers were pushing a certain candidate over another. And yet, I'm not 100% this is ILLEGAL. Frankly if I were you I would complain, or at least express your concerns, flat out ask, "Hey, was this teacher's aide allowed to do that?" At the very least she is guilty of humilating your son, and that is wrong whether politics has anything to do with it or not.


myLot reputation of 96/100. carmelanirel (12225)  4 years ago

I do agree with you about the politic part, I don't think it was professional of her let alone allowed to do that..And since she will be working with my son all year, would she now treat him differently because he was different? As for the religion and state, that is all wrong, I posted a discussion on this almost a year ago, so I can't find it..This law was past to allow people to worship as they see fit, not to take G♥d out of the state..Big difference, if I ever find that discussion, I will share it with you..

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10. myLot reputation of 89/100. trixyteddy (1027)   ranked 1,853 out of 9,015 in parenting   4 years ago

This is a very touchy topic. I think knowing your son's teacher, you have to make the decision yourself. Whatever the decision, I pray that all goes well for your son.


myLot reputation of 96/100. carmelanirel (12225)  4 years ago

Thanks trixy, your prayers are appreciated. I have met my sons teacher once, but it was the teachers aide and I never met her, so I am thinking of having my husband talk to the teacher, so that she knows what is going on..

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