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myLot reputation of 22/100. kennyrose (5047) 4 years ago


From Wall Street to Main Street you can hear wailing and gnashing of teeth as investors—big and small—review the balances in their stock portfolios and 401(k) plans.

Corporations are failing, the government is bailing, and white-knuckled investors are holding their breath wondering when and where the market will find its bottom. Foreclosures are up, and employment is down. Workers are being laid off even as retirees are looking for jobs.

Once proud corporate chieftains—long time advocates of free markets—stand with hat in hand asking the government to bail them out. Politicians are paralyzed with fear, and the public is mad as hell.

The bloom is off the rose. Irrational exuberance is a faded memory. Bears rule.

Perhaps you think the problems causing the market meltdown are economic and financial in nature. If so, think again. Such problems are mere symptoms of the malady. The root causes are moral and ethical in nature.

For decades, secularists in America scoffed at religion and her offspring, morality and ethics. They removed religion from the realm of "truth" and reduced it to mere "opinion." Truth was limited to that which could be objectified, quantified, and verified. Since that could not be accomplished with religion (at least on this side of eternity), "religious truth" was deemed an oxymoron. Absolutes were out, relativism was in. Morals became "relative" and ethics became "situational." Virtue was rejected as an antiquated notion. Results were all that mattered.

These ideas began to permeate society, including Wall Street. And since ideas have consequences, they began to influence the way business was conducted on the Street.

Unconstrained by morality or ethics, the marketplace became a veritable free for all—especially the housing market. The ends justified the means. Greed was good. Transparency became obsolete. Honesty was out of fashion. Deception was acceptable. The doctrine of caveat emptor was elevated to a new level. Mortgage brokers and underwriters gained large commissions by approving high-risk loans and passing the risk down the line. Investment banks packed high-risk mortgages into attractive packages and sold them off as "securities" to unsuspecting investors.

Politicians aided and abetted the new business model. Under the guise of deregulation, the market was left to the devices of the men behind the curtain. The payment of millions in campaign contributions aided their efforts. Not content with reduced accountability to government regulators, Big Business sought to immunize itself from accountability to shareholders and consumers as well. "Tort reform" became the mantra. Demonization of trial lawyers became the means. Affirmative action for wrongdoers became the method. The words "corporate welfare" took on a whole new meaning.

But greed and deception were not confined to Wall Street. They also infected Main Street. A new consumerism reined. Consumers and speculators thought they deserved more house than they could afford, and they were willing to lie about their creditworthiness on loan applications. After all, why defer gratification when you can have it now? It has been estimated that as many as 70% of defaulted mortgages contain "some kind of misrepresentation by the borrower, lender or broker, or some combination of the three." The FBI recently reported that "suspicious mortgage activity increased tenfold from 2001 through 2007, and rose another 42 percent in the first quarter of 2008." But why worry about the ability to repay? The government—thanks to the work of high powered business lobbyists—had implicitly guaranteed the risk of loss. That guarantee has now become explicit—thanks, once again, to the work of high-powered lobbyists.

Fearful of the collapse of the entire economy, gurus within the government (who, not coincidentally, hail from Wall Street) are now urging lawmakers to step in and interrupt the natural consequences of these corrupt business practices. They argue that many of the perpetrators are simply "too big to fail" and that innocent parties will suffer from the ripple effect of the failure of these giants. Former advocates for free market forces now want to suspend those forces because they deem the price to be too high.

Only time will tell what the outcome of this whole debacle will be. But in the meantime, there are some valuable lessons that we should learn:

* Virtue may be its own reward, but there are other rewards that flow from it as well. Virtue in the marketplace should be encouraged and applauded, not mocked and ridiculed.

* Honesty, accountability, and transparency are essential to the survival of free markets. Unless those virtues undergird the markets, they will collapse under the weight of greed, avarice, and deceit.

* Men are not angels (as James Madison rightly observed). Therefore, government has an obligation to ensure honesty, transparency, and accountability in the marketplace. Reasonable regulations in pursuit of such virtues should be welcomed by reasonable people from all quarters of the market.

* Material misrepresentations about one's products or services or financial condition constitute fraud and should not be tolerated. Perpetrators of fraud should be prosecuted by government.

* Victims of fraud and deceit should be permitted to pursue remedies aimed at recovering the full measure of their damages along with other remedies designed to punish wrongdoers and to deter a repetition of such misconduct in the future. Even at its best, government is inadequate to protect consumers and investors. Innocent victims should always be afforded a remedy for their loss.


In the aftermath of the market meltdown, morality and ethics may well make a comeback. Hopefully, people will soon come to realize that virtue is never out of fashion. If they don't, we will undoubtedly have more rocky times ahead.

The financial world needs to return to honesty, transparency, and accountability in its dealings. Unrestrained greed, ambition, and immediate gratification will only lead to more crises like the current sub-prime mess. Our government must live up to its responsibility to hold criminals accountable for their crimes, and we need to relearn the responsible thrift of our forebears who learned this same lesson after the Great Depression. That calamity taught them the importance of saving and the danger of living on credit. If we do not learn that same lesson now, we will learn it the hard way in the future.



 

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1. myLot reputation of 89/100. arnoldream (374)   ranked 2,611 out of 3,985 in politics   4 years ago

i do agree with your opinion about this..this is madness in the side of the business sector and of the clients..and these deception you are talking really is what happen here because of these dishonesty and fraudulent transactions just to gain profit or avail some loan which some are not qualified, thus making the scenario much even complicated..these unrestrained kind of deals should be checked or otherwise this problem will continue to expand as a balloon and when it explode the worse cannot be anymore controlled or pacified by any means..


myLot reputation of 22/100. kennyrose (5047)  4 years ago

In 2004 John McCain and Alan Greenspan along with three other good servants of the American people sounded the alarms that Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac was headed for a hard crash and if they let that happen we will be walking in to a depression our economy will crash and burn top to bottom.
It was turned over to Nancy Poloise and Barney Frank for an investigation they in the end said John McCain and Allan Greenspan and the few others sounding the alarms was full of crap everything was sound with both Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac.
The deceptive cover up starting with Barney Frank beings he heads the finical community was they all was fleecing many millions out of Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac,so Barney Frank gave a falsified investigation report to protect his and his buddies interest in Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac,it was a golden money cow for the mall.
At you tube there is a big on the air fight Bill O'Railly gave it to Barney Frank this week and it sure got dammed hot,Bill O' was so angry, I have never seen Bill O' this angry in all the years I have watched him at Fox news.
You can view it at you tube just do a search Bill O'Reilly-Barney Frank/Fox news.



myLot reputation of 59/100. shoffman2000 (616)   ranked 340 out of 3,985 in politics  4 years ago

It is possible we are going to waste 900billion dollars why not divide the money among the tax payers


myLot reputation of 82/100. spalladino (11857)   ranked 127 out of 3,985 in politics  4 years ago

To do what with? You can give people money but you can't dictate what they do with it so there's no guarantee that those mortgages would be paid off.

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2. myLot reputation of 82/100. coolseeds (2513)   ranked 256 out of 3,985 in politics   4 years ago

I don't think wall street should be assisted by the government. If I were to make poor choices with my company it would cease to exist. The government wouldn't help me. Therefore their lack of concern should not be rewarded.

It would cost the taxpayers less if the government would give $1 million to every American citizen.


myLot reputation of 82/100. spalladino (11857)   ranked 127 out of 3,985 in politics  4 years ago

Giving each American $1 million would cost the government $300 Trillion so, while that certainly would be a nice stimulus check, it's not the solution.

Bailing out Wall Street leaves a bad taste in my mouth but, unlike your company and the small business owners I know personally, you don't have pension plans that have invested in the stock market. Not only do I want my pension plan to still be viable when I retire, I worry about the hundreds of thousands of retired Americans who depend on that income right now to survive. What would happen to them if those funds were wiped out completely because Wall Street collapsed? Individuals with IRA and 401k investments would also be hurt.


myLot reputation of 82/100. coolseeds (2513)   ranked 256 out of 3,985 in politics  4 years ago

It would be called a bad investment. So they lose. Not all investments provide a return.

My tax dollars are not responsible for bailing them out of trouble. Just like your tax dollars should not responsible for helping my company from going under.

The give every American citizen $1 million is a figure of speech. It would only make things cost more because the value of the dollar would collapse and is another problem within itself.


myLot reputation of 82/100. coolseeds (2513)   ranked 256 out of 3,985 in politics  4 years ago

PS My company IS my retirement. So why should I and other business owners be excluded? Maybe the government should give $700 billion to small businesses to provide retirement plans for employees? That sounds like a better idea than helping the ones who could have cared less that their actions would catch up to them. I say they did it to themselves and should be penalized for their actions and not rewarded.


myLot reputation of 82/100. spalladino (11857)   ranked 127 out of 3,985 in politics  4 years ago

"It would be called a bad investment. So they lose. Not all investments provide a return."

And you would be comfortable allowing hundreds of thousands of elderly Americans to be needlessly hurt? College funds and personal retirement plans to be lost?

"My tax dollars are not responsible for bailing them out of trouble. Just like your tax dollars should not responsible for helping my company from going under."

"PS My company IS my retirement. So why should I and other business owners be excluded? Maybe the government should give $700 billion to small businesses to provide retirement plans for employees? That sounds like a better idea than helping the ones who could have cared less that their actions would catch up to them. I say they did it to themselves and should be penalized for their actions and not rewarded."

I don't think you understand the concept I'm talking about here. I don't believe that the people responsible for this economic mess should be rewarded but hurting the innocent victims of their unethical business practices is not the answer. Every week I, and hundreds of thousands like me, contribute OUR money to pension plans, IRAs and 401ks. Money that we worked hard to earn. I have no control over how the pension fund is invested, I have no control over what my bank invests in, what mortgages they write or what paper they hold. Just because you and other small business owners do not have pension plans does not mean that it's okay for me to lose mine nor does it mean that you suddenly have a right to be provided with one. It's not all about you.


myLot reputation of 82/100. coolseeds (2513)   ranked 256 out of 3,985 in politics  4 years ago

No it isn't about me and I never said it was. You must understand that when I say "I" I am speaking for the individual. And a lot of people make bad investments every day. Why should they be excluded? Hot or cold but never lukewarm. All or none.

There is a problem. The people responsible for those bad investments need to be replaced. They should be looking for a new job. What are they going to do with them? Have charges been filed?

Why didn't you invest into something safer? If you had invested in gold alone you would have had a nice return and you wouldn't be defending something that should not be. Poor investments are poor investments.

If an individual lost $500,000 investing in stocks online they would not be rewarded. So why are they excluded?

We are responsible for our actions. That is the problem with a lot of people. They want to blame someone else. If a person had chose a different route to invest their retirement there wouldn't be a problem. Therefore it is the individual at fault.

Don't put all of your eggs into one basket. Many of us have heard that phrase since childhood.


myLot reputation of 82/100. spalladino (11857)   ranked 127 out of 3,985 in politics  4 years ago

I'm not talking about people who invest in the stock market. If you willingly invest money in the stock market, you should be willing to accept the risks that go along with the rewards. That's why my husband and I have never put our money there. Our IRA and CDs are with our bank. They're protected by the FDIC so I'm not worried about that and, yes, we have control over them. What we, and so many others don't have control over are the thousands of pension plans that have invested millions of dollars in the market. If those plans lose everything they won't be able to write those checks to retirees every month. If they all pull their money out, the market crashes, the dollar becomes worthless, foreign markets react and we're all plunged into a global recession. Someone had to step in in order to stop the landslide. Believe me, I don't like it...and I'll probably have to work until I'm 75 before I can retire with a full pension now.

"Don't put all of your eggs into one basket. Many of us have heard that phrase since childhood."

I couldn't agree with you more! happy


myLot reputation of 82/100. coolseeds (2513)   ranked 256 out of 3,985 in politics  4 years ago

Could an individual opt out of their 401k plan and put it into an IRA that is more secure? We are responsible for our decisions.

If an employer changed everyone's schedule to come in 30 minutes earlier and an employee was in an accident coming to work, it isn't the employer's fault.

... And the stock market crashes after the government approves the bailout.

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