More about labels  | | I thought of this earlier, when I was drinking my last cup of coffee. I mentioned in an earlier entry that "beer is the breakfast of champions" and I thought some people might misinterpret that and so on and so on. Give me you feedback, please... I believe there are drinkers, drunks and alcoholics. In my book, drinkers may or may not drink casually or socially and whether they drink alone or not should not be a basis to judge them any more than eating pop corn alone when watching TV. Drinkers drink water and other stuff too, and can do without alcohol for long periods. The drunks are they who simply have had enough and didn't know when to stop, but they don't necessarily make a habit of it. Drunkenness is a state of intoxication but it may also be the state of those who choose to stay that way because they think it fills their emotional or spiritual need. Now, TO ME, alcoholism is an addiction of the body where the body NEEDS alcohol to function, independently of what that function may be --that's why they suffer DT's if they don't contain alcohol. The alcoholic may or may not be a drunk! He or she may not be detected! And he or she may or may not be a professional. AND, depending on the individual, the alcoholic may not even need much alcohol to be content and satisfy his/her need; they don't need to be "drunk" in the sense of acting erratic. I've been wanting to discuss this and even though this is a bad time for me to post it, I promise you I'll read, consider and reply to every comment you share, when I get back. Thanks.
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| | | | | | 1. Ldyjarhead (5167)  | 1 year ago |  Very interesting topic, my friend.
My dad was a drunk and an alcoholic, and it killed him at a fairly young age. He needed it both emotionally and physically.
I had short periods in my Marine Corps career where I could have been considered a drunk, although but for the grace of God, never crossed the line into alcoholism. I had periods where I would drink to excess almost daily, not because I needed it physically, but it was just something I chose to do. I also had periods of months at a time where I wouldn't have a drop of anything, just because I didn't feel like it. It wasn't a challenge or to 'see if I could do it' or anything like that, I just didn't want to.
Mind you, I still hung out at the club sometimes with friends and did stupid things just like they did, but at least they had an excuse.

I would still like the occasional glass of Arbor Mist but haven't even had any of that for close to a year. I couldn't tell you the last time I had a mixed drink, and I never developed a taste for beer (is that illegal for a Marine?).
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mechanicNOT62 (1590) | 1 year ago | In fact, you're out of order if you didn't drink beer as a Marine. That's when I got started and never knew a Marine that didn't. But you're forgiven and may I praise you for it. Except how could you do the stupid things we did unless you did something? I remember one time a car-load of us were coming back to Camp LeJeune from town, and we saw a bear cub running along the tree line, I made like I was going to jump out of the moving car to wrestle it and the guys held me back back because they thought I was serious! In Nam I used to "cool" my beer in the river. How stupid! But hey, they were for sale, our camp was close by and the weapons were at hand. Sorry to hear about your dad, BUT you just proved that it's not necessarily an inherited trait. Mine drank from childhood for many years and then dropped it as if it was nothing. I think this is a fascinating subject and when I get back I hope to get all into it.
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Ldyjarhead (5167) | 1 year ago |  Gotcha again.
I said I never developed a taste for it, never said I never drank it!
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| | 2. mentalward (4368) | 1 year ago | I don't believe that the alcoholic's BODY needs alcohol to function. There are plenty of non-drinking alcoholics around. Their brains simply CRAVE it, whether they drink alcohol or not.
Okay, I just made myself realize something. Alcohol is something the alcoholic's BRAIN needs, not something the BODY needs.
Am I making sense here? I am to me but, then, my name IS mentalward.
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Ldyjarhead (5167) | 1 year ago |  A true addiction will cause physiological changes in the body if it doesn't receive it, be it drugs, alcohol, the junk in tobacco, whatever.
The brain pretty much controls whatever we do, so in that sense I suppose it is the brain that craves it, but it most definitely is a physical need.
A non-drinking alcoholic simply means that he is not drinking right now. If he were to have that one drink, the physical craving would start up again poste-haste (and I use the editorial 'he'). Not drinking doesn't change the fact that he is indeed an alcoholic.
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mechanicNOT62 (1590) | 1 year ago | Jarhead! What do you mean HE? --just kidding. Did you ever get to see the movie, "The Days of Wine and Roses"? It's a classic. I can't remember those old actors, but it's great about this subject and the effects of drinking, etc... (don't you just love that mental chick?)
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mechanicNOT62 (1590) | 1 year ago | M'lady, you're so right inyour assessment. Were you medical? I have to tell you my heroes when I was active were the CB's and the Corpsmen. Those were true heroes and they were probably the best the Navy ever produced.
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mentalward (4368) | 1 year ago | Oh, I'm fully aware that if you are an alcoholic, you are one for life. But, once the alcoholic's body is completely free of alcohol, they stop their shaking and DT's. It's the withdrawling from the alcohol that causes those symptoms.
Alcohol remains in the body for 30 days, did you know that? I used to work with a group called C.O.D.E. (Committee on Drug Education). I learned ALL the facts about alcohol.
Even when the alcoholic has not had any alcohol for over 30 days, their brain is still craving it and, yes, one drink can send them right back into their tailspin.
It's exactly the same with any other drug. Withdrawal is the hardest part. Once you get through that, the body actually doesn't need it to function, even though the brain is still craving it.
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Ldyjarhead (5167) | 1 year ago |  I believe you about the 30 days thing. I once met with a Navy psychologist that had been involved with a major study at Bethesda where they said that the effects of alcohol on the brain last up to three weeks or more, the depression, etc. That was probably 15 yrs ago, so goodness knows what they may know about now.
Mech, if you're referring to me being in the medical field, no. As you recall, corpsmen were Navy. I just know a bit about life through my own experiences.
I graduated cumlaude from the school of hard knocks, doncha know.
(would you believe that myLot wouldn't let me type the word kum?)
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