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myLot reputation of 62/100. teclive (119)   ranked 10,593 out of 38,396 in life1 year ago

hey everyone, how gos we?

My hubby has always followed the 'common' tradition of christmas when it comes to telling little ones about santa.
I can understand why he does it along with so many other people under the sun, however, i must say, i dont agree with it.

The thought of lying to my children for a few years in their early childhood just does not sit well with me.
I dont understand why we have to give this 'santa' dude credit for money we worked for to purchase the presents, nor do i understand why we have to lie to our children about it.

Would our children not be just as happy if they knew the gifts were coming from their parents? would this not give them more incentive to be a good boy or girl knowing that daddy and mommy can either make or break christmas.

The whole idea that santa can 'see you when you're sleeping, and know when you're awake'.
Isnt this a little disturbing to tell a child? ' oh yes hun, by the way, the big old man with a grey beard is watching you and can see youre every move'

I have fought endlessly with my hubby about just being honest about santa but i have yet to win that arguement.

I think christmas needs to be brought back to its roots and not taken off so far into the 'be good and you will get nice things'

i personally think its a line of crock, and i think we should either be honest with our kids from teh beginning, or just completely drop the whole topic of santa..


just my 2 cents, sorry if i stepped on any toes:)
have any change you care to toss into the conversation?

T

 
 
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1. myLot reputation of 89/100. Nhey16 (1706)   ranked 1,309 out of 38,396 in life   1 year ago

my kids are 9 and 11, and we still do the "santa claus" thing. since my kids were younger, they already know that it's us, the parents, who give them the gifts, and they always say that we are their santa claus.
my kids are actually looking forward for the santa claus gifts yearly, maybe its not really about santa but its the fun and quality time we are having as a family.


myLot reputation of 62/100. teclive (119)   ranked 10,593 out of 38,396 in life  1 year ago

hi again Nhey:)

again, thank you for your comment.

My daughter is 8, last year she started asking me about santa being real, said she heard through school that he wasnt.

I asked her what she thought, she said she didnt believe in him and that she thinks its me and daddy.

Just as i was about to open my mouth and tell her the truth, my hubby, in a lovingly manner, haha, kinda nudged me outta the way and told my daughter that santa did exist.

Me, being the straight forward kinda mom that i am, later told her, that she will find out at christmas if santa exists or not. I told her, if you dont believe, then he wont come, if you do believe then he will come.

I dont think that is lying to her, kinda true in a 'cold' kinda way.
If santa doesnt exists, then, there would not be any presents from him, since all gifts would be signed from the family.
However, if she does believe, then we still need to sign tags from santa..so really..what i said was true:)

Christmas is a wonderful holidays to spend with family, i completely agree with you on that..i think it is the one time of year that our families (in house) really take time to engage in conversation and closeness

thanks for your comment again Nhey, always nice to hear from you:)
..man..i gotta learn to make my replies shorter;)

 
2. myLot reputation of 92/100. dhedows118 (835)   ranked 1,201 out of 38,396 in life   1 year ago

Parent's doesn't have a choice but lying about santa clause I guess. They only want to make their children happy every christmas and to long for christmas season so, they tend to lie about Santa Clause


myLot reputation of 62/100. teclive (119)   ranked 10,593 out of 38,396 in life  1 year ago

Thank you for your comment dhedows, nice to 'see' you:)

Yes, i agree that many parents feel that they dont have a choice, but i always figured those kind of parents were also the same kind of people who were always 'keeping up with the Jones's'

I am enjoying and learning from this outside point of view from you wonderfully great ML's:)

thanks again for taking the time to comment:)

T

 
3. stryker5 (35)   ranked 10,698 out of 38,396 in life   1 year ago

Santa Clause was a real person. His was known as Saint Nicholas and was born around two hundred eighty AD in Patara in Asia Minor. He was a Christian Priest, later on a Bishop, who was wealthy. He traveled the country giving gifts of money and presents but he preferred to remain anonymous so he would leave these gifts late at night.

It might surprise some people to know that St. Nicholas was actually imprisoned for five years by a Roman Emperor. The Emperor had declared St. Nicholas a god and ordered that he be worshipped as one. Because of the belief, of the Christians, that there is only one god, they along with St. Nicholas refused to worship him. When Emperor Constantine came into power, St. Nicholas was released and restored as Bishop of Myra. He died on December sixth three hundrd and forty three.

In essence, your husband is not lying to your children. St. Nicholas was a real person. He is the patron saint of children. As your children grow, it is important to explain to them that Santa Claus represents someone who kind, caring and giving. Santa Claus is more of the spirit that we should all carry throughout the year, not just at Christmas.

If you want to read more about the history of Santa Claus the link is www.thehistoryofchristmat...


myLot reputation of 62/100. teclive (119)   ranked 10,593 out of 38,396 in life  1 year ago

thank you for your informative comment stryker:)

yes, i was aware that st nick did in fact exist, however, i did not know about the lengthy imprisonment, knew of jail time, but thought it was a shorty period, so thank you for teaching me something new:) always enjoyed.

On the note that he did exist...
yes, i agree and it can be proven that he did exist, however, he no longer does.
I guess that is where my confusion starts about it all:)

I dont mean to be a humbug about xmas, i really do enjoy the holiday season and christmas:)

I guess christmas is the true meaning of tradition since so many countries have their own version of santa and still, so so so many years later, we still carry on the spirit of st nick

agian, thank you for taking the time to post such informative information:)

take care
T

 
4. myLot reputation of 80/100. IrishRose23 (536)   ranked 7,813 out of 38,396 in life   1 year ago

My daughter believes in Santa Clause, and i'm letting her. It's a tradition that's been going on for a long long long time. In fact, there was a Santa Clause- Sinterklaas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinterklaas) Santa Clause we know today has been commercialized by so much that many people forget. My daughter is 3 years old, so she's allowed to live in her fantasy world. The thing that I believe why young kids believe in Santa Clause is because if they're really good- they'll get presents. That teaches them (or some of them) to appreciate working for what they want. It may help them out in the future. I'm not necessarily lying to my little girl because there was a Santa Clause.

I know as she gets older, i'll have to tell her, but with her being still so young, I don't want to break her heart- especially after all she's been through. I say let kids be kids.

By the way, you didn't step on any of my toes. thumbup


myLot reputation of 62/100. teclive (119)   ranked 10,593 out of 38,396 in life  1 year ago

thank you for your comment IrishRose:)

I must say..i do remember being young and looking forward to 'santa coming' and the 'special' present he would give me for behaving, but i also remember the let down of finding out the truth at the end of it all.

I never thought of it as being a lesson of appreciating what you worked for to be honest with you, so thank you very much for sharing that. I just always figured it would be a lessoned learn while earning their allowance.

Again, thank you for the new insight:)

T

 
5. myLot reputation of 75/100. LilPixelle (618)   ranked 8,969 out of 38,396 in life   1 year ago

My family never celebrated easter, and we had a "Tooth daddy" (That is what I called him in reference to what happened, Essentially he would fill each of his two pockets with different ammounts of change and we would pick which pocketful we wanted and would trade him the tooth for whatever was in the pocket, that was FUN)and for christmas, we were told right from the beginning there was no santa, and they gave us the presents, but that was mostly for religious reasons, I like your reason though, I mean Lying to your kids for no reason for several years in the beginning, that is a little...stupid? I mean that can break a serious trust between your kids and you for what? I mean what do you get for it? that they will thank santa instead of you for your presents? ... Yeah


myLot reputation of 62/100. teclive (119)   ranked 10,593 out of 38,396 in life  1 year ago

hello LP, thanks for your comment.

see,that is exactly what i was talking about, the trust between the child and the parents..i was pissed at my nanny when i found out because that meant that she had lied to me for all those years, it never did sit with me too well.

I like the toothdaddy story, actually gives me an idea for my children.

I have never pressed the toothfairy thing, luckily for me it is one thing my hubby stays away from.
The children do get money for teeth that have fallen out, however i never stated it was a fairy that gave the money to them. I simply said..put your tooth in this little bag and you can get money for it.

It did not take my daughter long to figure out who was paying the money, however, my son thinks the tooth turns into money, LOL.

My sons second tooth is actually ready to fall out, and i have decided to tell him that it is in fact me that gives him the money. he is a simple boy and really wouldnt care one way or the other..money to him just means buying more puzzles:)

again, thank you for sharing your story, i really did enjoy it:)

T

 
6. myLot reputation of 70/100. geekyjock (303)   ranked 5,621 out of 38,396 in life   1 year ago

When I was 5 I already started asking myself if santa was real and I just got this hunch that my parents are the ones giving me those gifts that i put on to those christmas socks. I think it was only me who have this curiosity, my sister was nonchalant or rather ignorant about it. So later when we started to grow older our parents somehow stopped giving gifts as "santa" and it really broke my sisters heart. I don't fell any disappointment, instead I feel delighted realizing I was right all along.


myLot reputation of 62/100. teclive (119)   ranked 10,593 out of 38,396 in life  1 year ago

haha i like how you handled the situation:)

I guess its a double sided sword in the case of santa, cant win for losing in some situations.

However, i would rather teach my children from the start that there is no santa and get it over with, rather then lead them to believe in a false reality for a few years just to turn around and so..'oh, by the way...fooled ya'

I dont have anything against anyone who tells their children there is a santa, and i have loved every comment on this discussion, i think its great to see all the different opinions and how people handle it:)

 
7. myLot reputation of 80/100. tikei18 (330)   ranked 15,416 out of 38,396 in life   1 year ago

On my opinion, for me there is nothing wrong telling them that Santa Claus exist. I think it's fun and part of the Christmas celebration, it's also the spirit of Christmas! I think why parents tells their children that they should be nice so that Santa Claus will give them gifts. I think they just want their children to grow better not naughty. So that their children will follow what their parents tells them. And I think the Santa Claus thing is fun for the children and it's exciting.
I remember when I was a kid my mom told me she saw Santa. She told me that Santa told her that I should behave well and be nice to others so that Santa will show up and give me gift as a reward. That's why I try to do what Santa told my mom. And I am excited whenever Christmas is near.


myLot reputation of 62/100. teclive (119)   ranked 10,593 out of 38,396 in life  1 year ago

hello tikei and thank you for contributing to the conversation:)

Yes, i guess all in all it is true, santa is a very large part of the spirit of christmas, i guess its quite fitting since santa is supposed to be a spirit himself at this point:)

i guess i can understand the whole behavioural side of it, and i suppose it does work to an extent when you get closer to christmas and the kids are looking through catalogs at things they like.

I want to thank you for sharing your story about your mom and yourself during your childhood holiday season:)

T

 
8. Nadia818 (56)   ranked 36,143 out of 38,396 in life   1 year ago

I personally think that children have imadginnations that go wild. I have two girls 2 and 4 and you better beileve I'm going to tell them about santa. I belived in santa and it made me feel special that some was giving me gifts that they thought I deserved. I'ts not nesscesaraly ling think oif it as broadining the mind.


myLot reputation of 62/100. teclive (119)   ranked 10,593 out of 38,396 in life  1 year ago

hello Nadia, thank you for sharing.

A unique way of looking at it i must say. Doesnt seem so bad when you look at it from your point of view.

I do agree that encouraging a child to use their imagination is a great thing to do, gotta say, i never related santa to it though...you have made me see it from a point of view that i dont think i otherwise have.

again thank you for taking the time to comment

T

 
9. myLot reputation of 93/100. salonga (4655)   ranked 1,591 out of 38,396 in life   1 year ago

Christmas is all about Jesus and not about Santa. I'm just so sad that most parents would rather teach their children about Santa rather than teaching the real reason why there is Christmas. Why not rather teach that Jesus was born on this day to become a man in order to save the people from the doom of hell! That God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son that whosoever believes in Him will not perish but will have eternal life. This is the truth and this truth must be implanted in the heart of every child so that at an early age each child will start to know Jesus!


Why resort to lying if only to keep them excited about getting gifts from Santa who does not really exist. Why not just just ask them to wish for a gift and then advice them to pray that Jesus will provide money to their parents so that they could buy the gifts. Is it not that lying is bad and all liars will go to hell. But parents are lying when they talk about Santa and then making their child believe this lie. Tsk!Tsk!Tsk! I hope all parents are like you and not your like your spouse! (Sorry to him but that is my honest opinion!)


myLot reputation of 62/100. teclive (119)   ranked 10,593 out of 38,396 in life  1 year ago

thank you very much salonga for your comment.

santa as a person is a real, well, was a real person, just by a different name many many years ago.

I can understand why some people would not lean more on teh jesus part of it, as some people are not religious, however, on the other hand, i can also understand your opinion of the religious view if one is coming from a religious background.

For many of those who believe in evalution rather than creation christmas is about santa, and not jesus; where it stands almost opposite for those who believe in creation rather then evolution.

It is great to see that there can be such a wide variety of comments and opinions and still have the respect and appreciation kept for everyone..

thank you again for your comment, it is a very good insight

no need to be sorry...you said nothing wrong:)

T

 
10. myLot reputation of 98/100. lingli_78 (10204)   ranked 6,722 out of 38,396 in life   1 year ago

my parents never tell me about santa at all when i am still a kid... and we don't really celebrate christmas in my home country because i come from the country where the majority of the poeple are muslim... so christmas is not really popular over there... and i learn about santa in primary school by myself but never really believe in it... take care and have a nice day...


myLot reputation of 62/100. teclive (119)   ranked 10,593 out of 38,396 in life  1 year ago

thank you for sharing your opinion lingli:0)

its is appreciated

T

 
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