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myLot reputation of 48/100. sndcain36 (2691) 4 years ago


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Do liberals actually believe that conservative opinions are pornography?

Are liberals so threatened that they're plotting and planning right now, at this very minute, to silence conservative thoughts and opinions from the public airwaves?

You be the judge.

FOX News asked Senator Chuck Schumer if liberals in Congress will try to implement the so-called Fairness Doctrine - a measure specifically designed to shut down Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham and conservative talk radio.

Schumer replied indignantly:

“Do you think we should allow people to put pornography on the air? Absolutely not. Particularly on television or radio."

Huh? No, it's NOT a joke! And he didn't stop there.

Schumer nastily admonished decent Americans for some imagined hypocrisy:

“The very same people who don’t want the Fairness Doctrine want the FCC [Federal Communications Commission] to limit pornography on the air.... That’s not consistent.”

It's almost beyond belief.

We couldn't have made it up!

Is Schumer so unhinged, that he's not even capable of understanding the fundamental difference between smut and political expression?

Craig Parshall, general counsel for the National Religious Broadcasters said:

"I was stunned by Senator Schumer’s suggestion that by keeping filth off the air, the federal government has somehow become empowered to take over the control of legitimate programming content of broadcasters."

But Parshall missed one very important point.

With control of the White House, the Senate and the House of Representatives, Schumer and his liberal colleagues are twisting the First Amendment’s guarantees of Freedom of Speech and of the Press – ALL TO SET THE STAGE TO SILENCE RUSH, HANNITY AND OTHERS.

If you're a liberal, you can burn the flag, put four-letter-word bumper stickers on your car, commit lewd acts on-stage, play profane rap music loudly on your car radio, produce, rent and distribute the most disgusting filth in broad daylight and on the Internet in plain view of minors and even use taxpayer dollars to depict Jesus suspended in bodily waste.

But when it comes to shutting down conservative thoughts and opinions, now that they have grabbed the reins of power, liberals are making control over the content of speech a top priority!

They're plotting and maneuvering behind the scenes to make it happen RIGHT NOW!

Peter Kirsanow writing in National Review Online tells us why this fight is URGENT:

"Imposition of some form of the Fairness Doctrine likely will be one of the Democrats' agenda items for the first 100 days of the new administration. It's important that conservatives begin working now to stop it."

Kirsanow went on:

"Waiting until Inauguration Day to get geared up is too late. By that time the Fairness Doctrine Express will be at full steam— wavering Democrats will be pressed to support the new Democratic president, weak-kneed Republicans will want to display comity, the mainstream media will not be saddened to see talk radio annihilated and much of the public will be too enraptured by Obama's Camelot inauguration to notice or care."

Kirsanow is right.

There is not a moment to lose. If we take a stand now, we can defeat this threat to our civil liberties.

If we wait, it will be too late.

Use the hyperlink below and bombard President George W. Bush and the Republican Members of the Senate with your Blast Faxes. Demand that they stand firm against any attempt by liberals in Congress to effectively outlaw the First Amendment.

We must act now! Liberals in Congress may try to sneak the Fairness Doctrine into legislation any day now. Liberal pundits inside the Beltway and members of the elite media are already attempting to sell conservative Senators on the notion that their only chance for political survival is to display comity. Unless they hear from you now, they WILL believe it, as they have in the past.

We can win this fight. It only takes 40 Senators to stand firm . But if patriotic Americans do not speak up, we will lose this fight for our liberties.
"Congress Shall Make No Law..."

You might think it's almost beyond belief, but our Founding Fathers understood and dreaded the danger we presently face.

They feared the danger to such an extent that they ratified, as the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, words they thought would be our primary line of defense against the government evolving into a tyranny that would trample on the rights of the people.

To them the danger was real:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech...."

It was not a fluke that the above words came first.

Our Founding Fathers knew that all of our rights flow directly from those fundamental liberties.

And they knew that once the government began eliminating our First Amendment freedoms, all of our other rights would fall like dominoes.

Despots in the modern era knew it as well.

Gaining control of the media is typically the first act of a leftist usurper.

When Castro took power in Cuba, he imprisoned journalists en masse and continued to do so throughout his regime, holding those who opposed him indefinitely without charges.

When Josef Stalin returned from exile in March of 1917 he immediately assumed control of an underground publication founded by Leon Trotsky called Pravda (which, ironically, translates as "Truth") and made it an official arm of the Soviet Communist Party. Pravda became and remained the chief propaganda arm of the Soviet Communist Party until it was shut down in 1991 by Boris Yeltsin. Subscription to Pravda was MANDATORY.

Immediately after assuming power in 1933, Adolf Hitler placed Joseph Goebbels in charge of the Ministry of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda. All journalists, writers, and artists were required to register with the ministry.

But this is the United States where, unfortunately, such strong-arm tactics are not necessary because liberals already control the media, EXCEPT for conservative talk radio.

Kirsanow again:

"Talk radio is the most important medium conservatives have. It's the only medium conservatives dominate. But liberals aren't content to have only NBC, CBS, ABC, MSNBC, CNN, AP, Reuters, Newsweek, Time, the NY Times, Washington Post, Hollywood, etc. Stray conservative thoughts might escape into the population, you know."

CNSNews quoting Senator Ben Cardin of Maryland:

"The government 'has the responsibility' to make sure there are a 'variety of opportunities for people to get information,' said Senator Ben Cardin (D-Md.) when asked about the Fairness Doctrine at the Democratic Senatorial Committee election night party on Tuesday."

"Variety of Opportunities"... ?

Without conservative talk radio THERE IS NO "VARIETY"... period!

It's simple. No conservative talk radio means there is no voice of dissent. No voice of dissent means no free speech and no free speech means that nothing stands in the way of those in government who wish to oppress the governed.

Use the hyperlink below and bombard President George W. Bush and the Republican Members of the Senate with your Blast Faxes. Demand that they stand firm against any attempt by liberals in Congress to effectively outlaw the First Amendment.

We must act now! Liberals in Congress may try to sneak the Fairness Doctrine into legislation any day now. Liberal pundits inside the Beltway and members of the elite media are already attempting to sell conservative Senators on the notion that their only chance for political survival is to display comity. Unless they hear from you now, they WILL believe it, as they have in the past.

We can win this fight. It only takes 40 Senators to stand firm . But if patriotic Americans do not speak up, we will lose this fight for our liberties.
"Congress Shall Make No Law..."

You might think it's almost beyond belief, but our Founding Fathers understood and dreaded the danger we presently face.

They feared the danger to such an extent that they ratified, as the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, words they thought would be our primary line of defense against the government evolving into a tyranny that would trample on the rights of the people.

To them the danger was real:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech...."

It was not a fluke that the above words came first.

Our Founding Fathers knew that all of our rights flow directly from those fundamental liberties.

And they knew that once the government began eliminating our First Amendment freedoms, all of our other rights would fall like dominoes.

Despots in the modern era knew it as well.

Gaining control of the media is typically the first act of a leftist usurper.

When Castro took power in Cuba, he imprisoned journalists en masse and continued to do so throughout his regime, holding those who opposed him indefinitely without charges.

When Josef Stalin returned from exile in March of 1917 he immediately assumed control of an underground publication founded by Leon Trotsky called Pravda (which, ironically, translates as "Truth") and made it an official arm of the Soviet Communist Party. Pravda became and remained the chief propaganda arm of the Soviet Communist Party until it was shut down in 1991 by Boris Yeltsin. Subscription to Pravda was MANDATORY.

Immediately after assuming power in 1933, Adolf Hitler placed Joseph Goebbels in charge of the Ministry of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda. All journalists, writers, and artists were required to register with the ministry.

But this is the United States where, unfortunately, such strong-arm tactics are not necessary because liberals already control

 

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1. myLot reputation of 79/100. soooobored (666)   ranked 24 out of 164 in standing up for what is right   4 years ago

Chuck Schumer does make a good point, the same people who crusade to apply bans on network television programming are the ones against the reinstatement of the Fairness Doctrine!

Personally, I don't support it. Ensuring that opposing viewpoints have equal airtime is a huge undertaking, and would probably just result in another "Hannity and Colmes". Fortunately, the truly offensive conservative talk radio shows are so hyper-stupid that intelligent people won't be influenced! Of course, that's the same position I hold on regular FCC bans.

So yes, I oppose bringing back the Fairness Doctrine. At the same time, I oppose pretty much all FCC regulation.


myLot reputation of 48/100. sndcain36 (2691)  4 years ago

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myLot reputation of 79/100. soooobored (666)   ranked 24 out of 164 in standing up for what is right  4 years ago

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myLot reputation of 67/100. anniepa (11669)   ranked 67 out of 164 in standing up for what is right  4 years ago

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myLot reputation of 48/100. sndcain36 (2691)  4 years ago

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myLot reputation of 79/100. soooobored (666)   ranked 24 out of 164 in standing up for what is right  4 years ago

Sndcain, would the Fairness Doctrine mandate equal airtime if Laimbaugh and the boys were on Sirius or XM? Subscription radio?

Like I said, I'm against censorship of this kind, I'm just curious for argument's sake.


myLot reputation of 48/100. sndcain36 (2691)  4 years ago

The fairness doctrine has already been tried and what happened was that free speech was stifled. Broadcasters were afraid to cover controversial issues for fear of being sued. And what about the first amendment that states the government shall make no law abridging free speech and what is the fairness doctrine but a law abridging free speech?

I hate Matthews and I hate Olberman but if they have an audience then more power to them. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. That's what makes this country great.

The government doesn't get to mandate OPINION, which is what the fairness doctrine attempts to do.

So if the fairness doctrine is in place all speech will be abridged, but what stands to be hurt the most is conservative and religious speech, and it cannot be supported even if you don't agree with the opinions being expressed.

Now, the Democrats who, thanks to the voters, have all the power, do believe in silencing dissent, and I suspect that Obama will not stand in the way of this being passed into law.

So I hope all those new government welfare programs he promised will be worth the price of our rights.


myLot reputation of 48/100. sndcain36 (2691)  4 years ago

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myLot reputation of 79/100. soooobored (666)   ranked 24 out of 164 in standing up for what is right  4 years ago

Sndcain, it's cool, I get trapped in tangents too! happy

I don't think porn should be on TV. But some of what gets restricted by censors is absurd! Remember the big controversy when (I can't remember for sure, but I believe NYPD Blue) the actor flashed his butt for like a millisecond? It was such a big deal, and so much hooplah over a millisecond of butt. My only issue with censorship is that what is filtered out reflects the ideals of the people making the decisions to ban certain material, and I would rather allow freedom of expression and let a few slip through than be over-censored.

As for porn, the networks are giants, and they know their demographics. They will lose far too many viewers to allow porn on television, and so they never would. As much liberal bias may exist in the media, not even the most liberal of liberals really want to see hard core anal during "CSI Miami"! Therefore, FCC intervention seems redundant to me. The consumer should drive the market of available programming, and with network television the executives will always play to the masses. I don't believe the masses want to see a lot of what is being banned by FCC now anyway.


myLot reputation of 48/100. sndcain36 (2691)  4 years ago

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2. myLot reputation of 54/100. Greyback (429)   4 years ago

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myLot reputation of 48/100. sndcain36 (2691)  4 years ago

All dogs are pets, all dogs bark. All cats are pets too, therefore all cats bark. Ah yes, the old modus tollens argument.

You nailed it with your response. Any right thinking person knows what a ridiculous argument Shumer is making, but then when we're talking about congressmen and liberals, we must assume they aren't thinking right! lol


myLot reputation of 79/100. soooobored (666)   ranked 24 out of 164 in standing up for what is right  4 years ago

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myLot reputation of 48/100. sndcain36 (2691)  4 years ago

Actually, if P=B then the argument works.


myLot reputation of 54/100. Greyback (429)  4 years ago

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myLot reputation of 79/100. soooobored (666)   ranked 24 out of 164 in standing up for what is right  4 years ago

I have to say, I only replied to the cat/dog/pet argument because with it you were passively calling me a moron, which clearly I'm not. Further, the structure of the argument you presented doesn't even model the structure of my argument, so it was a waste of space in making your point. I'm actually a pretty nice person, and I don't recall doing anything to insult you to the point that you would want to insult me. At a minimum, pay me the respect to insult me directly.

And actually, you went on to make my point for me. Pornography is a MORAL issue, and I don't believe in the government dictating my morals. I have a really solid mind, and a great moral compass, there is no need for regulation there.

I don't agree with the Fairness Doctrine because you are right, the consumer should drive the market. There is a market for conservative radio, consumers should have access to conservative radio. There is less of a market for liberal radio, so why waste government resources on assuring its availability?

But on the same note, why can't people trust consumers to dictate other media? Why do you need FCC regulations assuring that (to use my example above) "CSI Miami" doesn't fade into hardcore anal at commercial breaks? Consumer don't want that, and networks only play to their audience. Just as, there are a lot of flat out racists that enjoy conservative talk radio (NOT all, just some!). Conservative radio hosts would alienate too much of their audience to pander to the small demographic, so they don't. So let the consumer drive what we are viewing/hearing/etc, I would infinitely rather allow some questionable material (since really, the way to make money is not to offer anal on CSI) than to have my morals preset for me by the FCC, Fairness Doctrine, etc.


myLot reputation of 54/100. Greyback (429)  4 years ago

No I wasnt calling you a moron either passively or actively. I stated that the TYPE of arguement you used was called moronic thinking by Umberto Eco in his book Foucaults Pendulium, I even gave you the example that he gives. Sndcain even identified your argument the modus tellens argument.
You may be a 'pretty nice person', then again so am I depending on whom you ask. But I'm sure that you dont care if I am or not, because I assure you, I dont.

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3. myLot reputation of 20/100. PrarieStyle (1161)   ranked 79 out of 164 in standing up for what is right   4 years ago

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myLot reputation of 48/100. sndcain36 (2691)  4 years ago

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4. myLot reputation of 48/100. MSV1313 (2239)   4 years ago

WTF?

Keep in mind that Senator Chuck Schumer was once introduced to a group of college students by Alan Hevesi as the man who would "put a bullet between the president's eyes if he could get away with it."

http://archive.newsmax.co...


myLot reputation of 48/100. sndcain36 (2691)  4 years ago

And that wasn't construed as a threat to the president?

Imagine if someone made that statement regarding Obama.


myLot reputation of 49/100. morethanamolehill (860)  4 years ago

I love how he prefaces it with "..how do I phrase this diplomatically..". I wonder how he would have phrased it Bluntly!! The problem is that liberals think this is just normal thinking. It probably got a big laugh!!

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5. myLot reputation of 49/100. morethanamolehill (860)   4 years ago

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