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|  I have had some discussions here which ask a few questions and condemn a lot of preconceptions so now I feel it is time to get closer to the core of what really is.
My quest is actually all about understanding who or what we really are and to understand this is to identify from where we perceive.
We have ears, eyes, nose and other sense organs which interpret our environment as it was. You heard correctly; we have no sense organ which perceives things exactly as they are. When something happens in front of us we perceive the light waves for example and process them to see what happened perhaps only a millisecond earlier.
That which is of the physical universe depends on time/space to exist. Without time/space nothing occurs; the sun does not shine, the car does not move and the body does not age. Without time it would be impossible to communicate with another body and I would not be able to write.
Newton’s third law states: For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. The events around us are all reactions to an action!
Saying that what caused the original reaction was a God is premature; if we say a God caused it all then we forget the fact that we are capable of causing a great many reactions. For example; should we detonate all the nuclear arsenal on earth there will no longer be any life here and we would have made a “Godly action”.
Our minds do not depend on time/space as we do cause reactions; these reactions are not limited to the destruction in a nuclear holocaust.
What is conjured up in a mind? Whether it is a question or an action it elicits a response which time is required to fulfill. We could also create plans for a house for example, envision the required steps it takes to make this building a reality and go about making it become so. We are also aware of being aware and this alone sets us apart from the elements of the physical universe that all require time/space in order to exist.
The dimensions of the physical universe are well understood by most. Time, the fourth dimension is a record of change within the physical universe and its organism.
Because we are capable of perceiving the past; remember things not only as having happened but also with taste, smell and the prevailing noise we are special.
Since we can perceive that a future will come about and actually create things for ourselves and others in this future we stand alone.
That which one can perceive in the physical universe is apart from that which perceives. The eye does not perceive the eye; in a mirror an eye can perceive itself but that is as far as it goes.
We perceive time; I see it as impossible that we could perceive time if we were not set apart from time.
That which we perceive from can only be described as 'Now'.
Not a 'Now' which exist in time but a now which is independent of time.
This would also mean we could not possibly be a part of the physical universe but exist in 'Now' creating observing analyzing and... living.
Now is an entirely different reality; if the physical universe was created that is where it was created from.
We do not know ourselves as existing apart from time/space. Perhaps our view of ourselves is distorted due to the sensations of the body but we are more than these bodies.
Could that more which we are be what we call “God”?
The physical universe does not afford us nearly enough stimulation on a daily basis which is why we all live a separate life in our minds where reality does not depend on space/time: Could this have happened if we were a product of the physical universe?
What are your answers? Can you help me see more clearly who and what we really are?
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1.  TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (1509)
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4 years ago
| |  Well it's about time...
Seriously though if space was about GOD and we are in the presence of GOD in our minds then the god of the bible is not the GOD in the Spiritual realm where we find ourselves connected to one another.
So to watch those that believe in ideologies where killing other spirits in the physical realm is a false belief because you can only cast out the spiritual evil in another realm where the physical can not reach.
A life lost on Earth is nothing like a soul lost in space...
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 Gnosisquest (777)
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4 years ago
| | Space is the distance between objects and not a location from which we can perceive.
Being lost in space would be the closest thing a "Soul" could get to being dead.
All Gods of the physical has to be false Gods just like the Gnostics stated two thousand years ago for which they were killed over a period of 1600 years. | | | |
| TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (1509)
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4 years ago
| | Okay, I'm reading this book called The Secrets of the Universe, the author seems like this really intelligent person I think you would like the man...
In the book 'The Secrets of the Universe' the author talks about the NOW! This is done in relation to the future and the past that keeps moving forward as the NOW is not in the future and has just past so we end up in the NOW between the future and the past but often times we find ourselves behind in the past forgetting that the NOW is in constant motion.
Can you see what will happen next?
I learned something recently that a code can be developed when there are people threatened with abuse. I think that Olav is a name like Olive and as you know oil and water do not mix. The rest might become rather amusing as you see with your own eyes to witness the antics of the monkey playing in the wild, free and uninhibited.
Monkeys love bananas so we are taught and banana peels can be as slippery as olive oil where one can slip and fall, I would really hate to see Oliver miss spring because of a late fall.
I have a lot more reading to do, maybe I should continue... ;)
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| TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (1509)
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4 years ago
| | Ha, the light of Christ trapped, hahaheeeheeeehehehe...
I just wrote on Cyntrow's discussion about religion the concept of trapping C... I was wondering why that thought was running through my mind, maybe I'm in the midst of a lot of traps laid out for me? Maybe channeling who knows but to see that you wrote on the subject some 15 hours prior, I just had to comment. :)
Do you need a link for Cyntrow's discussion? May I suggest giving it a once over?
Thank You,
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| 2. warlordsky (10)
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4 years ago
| |  hello,
I just wanna say something since when it comes to the old age question concerning the human origin and the the origin of all things everybody has something to say, I'm sharing my views to you as a christian one who believes in the Bible as my sole basis when it comes to creation of the physical universe and the human race. I can make you believe if you can't accept the Bible as the written word of God and i can not let you believe in God if you really deny him but let me put it this way how can you prove a hammer that it is a hammer with out using it?
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| Gnosisquest (777)
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4 years ago
| | When it comes to the old question of the Judaic God it is settled: Read my conversation here and learn the fact that it is impossible that the Biblical material is correct: http://www.mylot.com/w/di...
That some people find it easier to not take any responsibility by falling for a mythical creator does not make the creator real! | | | |
| warlordsky (10)
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4 years ago
| | hello again as I have said i'm sharing you my point of view as a christian as i have believe. but at least there is what we the Universal acceptance of that belief concerning God and creation i respect your opinion and views concerning God and creation my prayer is that God will grant you comprehension on things cloudy beyond your comprehension. | | | |
| Gnosisquest (777)
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4 years ago
| | Why should I listen to you warlordsky?
Do you have decades of research behind you?
Do you consider yourself a body?
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| freethinkingagent (1056)
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4 years ago
| |  Beyond his comprehension? Okay you say you respect his right to believe and then say he doesn't know what he is saying. Hum lol Thanks, I guess you have studied Ancient near east religions and languages and physics and science as well? To each their own I guess.
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| warlordsky (10)
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4 years ago
| | hello again Mr. Gnosisquest
I don't expect you to listen to me and no I do not have decades of study and research on religion i am only a mere believers on what i believe is true i can not present you scientific data to prove my point of view its just that i am content with the revelation i found out in the written word of God i am not trying to persuade you turn your belief 360 degree just commenting on the discussion you posted. | | | |
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| 3. freethinkingagent (1056)
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4 years ago
| | All I can say is DA_N! Kudos! I have tries before to state something like this, but not so eloquently as you. We are a box with five openings that we perceive physical reality. The mind, not brain but the mind is not subject to the temporal but goes beyond the temporal to eternity past and eternity future. If we are to perceive our true selves we must crate a sixth opening. Time Space Mater, everything in the universe consist and is interdependent of this yet are minds are able to sense if not perceive something more than this. The God molecule, what is it that not only gives man life, but drives us to achieve greatness? Are we all just atoms of the same molecule? Are we as man interdependent on the whole? Does it mater what happens to one? And does what happen to one effect the whole. In the first chapter of Genesis, it says we are created in the image and likeness of God, this is over looked by so many, what does it mean? We have the ability to create our reality, and the more focus we give it the more it manifests itself in our lives. One can always find proof that they are right if that is all they want to find, if one seeks truth no matter what the answers are then perhaps that person will gain true knowledge. Everything we perceive is distorted by the reality we crate for our selves. We can not make a pair of rose colored glasses and then wonder why everything appears to be red. To the person who doubts this try for one week trying to perceive this world differently and focus on it and see if things do not appear to actually to strengthen your ideas. Bravo Gnosis!
At times it may appear that you and I do not agree, but i believe you are a three plus three person and I am a two plus four person  | | | | | | |
| Gnosisquest (777)
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4 years ago
| | Thank you Freethinkingagent:
It is good to see that someone can understand when it comes to what the biblical material states, it also say's in John and Psalms: Ye are Gods!
Understanding that nothing can be viewed without a viewpoint is more difficult. That the physical perceptions comes from the physical organs and only record the past is one thing; that in order to perceive a present and a possible future we need a viewpoint which is not of the physical is more difficult. | | | |
| alex55 (31)
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4 years ago
| |  to Gnosisquest and freethinkingagent-Please let me remind you that there are
people who believe we are just big brain monkeys.And what is more interesting is that they solved the contradiction with all the idealistic spiritualist fhilosofies that state things like "Ye are gods".
Because you don't know how to reconciliate this apparent opposite views both of you try to pass into oblivion this aspect.
Almost everything we do has a correspondent in the primates' behaviours with clear justification.
I can see in your past that religious education exceeded by far biological
approach of life.For your information since humans have 46 chromosomes and monkeys 48 we could infer that "Ye are degenerated apes" more than "ye are gods".Maybe the skills of the 21 st century will be to blend armoniously religion and biology and God's thinking.It is possible and there is only one way :the mathematical aproach which is not handy for 99% of the mankind.
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| Gnosisquest (777)
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4 years ago
| | Alex:
There is few if any positions which can’t be supported through some biblical material; even the notion we are the creator or his essence.
The belief of the Gnostic is the closest in my opinion to the way things really are: There are no Gods only a spiritual source and that source is each and every one of us.
A great many people see us as being mass, others see us as being energy; few there may be who can picture us as C. C=SqRt of E/M, can the spiritual C become trapped?
When it comes to biology are you familiar with the research of Dr Bruce Lipton?
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4.  mokbul (518)
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4 years ago
| | Hi Gnosisquest. Thanks for starting an intelligent discussion. Surely you have used a lots of your thoughts and reasonings before starting this well expressed discussion. I have seen your earlier discussions and I admire those even I like or dislike.
As I said reasoning - every individual has his own reasonings, those are influenced by the the environments and atmospheres in which he or she has grown up and living.
There are two distinct channels, one is just believe and another is reality or what the science says and proven. When we speak of religion I would probably say that Adam and Eves are the first persons on this earth. When I shall think about human creation in terms of science, I would probably think of transforming some nature created microbe or algae was my ancestor.
It is up to individuals how he will take it, for me I believe that I am ancestor of Adam and Eve. | | | | | | |
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5.  positiveminded1977 (4490)
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4 years ago
| |  I really find it difficult to comprehend all this. Ultimately, does it matter? Why should we bother about who we are? If there was anything to know, shouldn't we "naturally" know...like we know that we have a nose and a pair of eyes? Why this "spiritual struggle" to know?
That's why I have stopped bothering about such things...who am I? Will I survive after I die? What is gonna happen in the future? I believe I already shared this with you...NOW is the most important time for me. I have stopped bothering about everything else.
Cheers and happy mylotting
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| krfanlim (182)
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4 years ago
| |  Perhaps, what is more important now is mylotting LOL!!
Haha, it's just a joke, take it easy maaan.
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| 6. sudiptacallingu (8859)
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4 years ago
| |  No, I cannot help you but I can feel that your discussion hovers on the border of ‘maya’ or illusion…the physical veil which separates the soul from the spiritual space. As you rightly say that nothing is perceived as it happens, your perception is distinctly different than mine just as an animals perception of its environments is poles apart from the way we humans perceive the same environment. It is our senses and our brain which manipulates a situation to comprehend what exactly happened.
BTW I don’t believe in any single God but I do have a firm belief of the existence of a cosmic energy. I mean this giantwheel of universe going round and round from who know when, with clock-like precision along the same path without a hair’s deviation and no apparent ‘control room’ yet no accidents either…how does this happen? You have any answers? (Don’t give me physics pls, I am too dumb for that)
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| Gnosisquest (777)
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4 years ago
| | The fact is that it is a violent universe and we are on the brink of major disasters. That there has been a lull in disasters is what permitted life to evolve here.
I agree that there is a cosmic energy that could be behind it all; the only cosmic energy which we can be sure exist is the energy from those that can recall a past, envision a future; all from a viewpoint apart from the physical universe. (No other Gods required).
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| freethinkingagent (1056)
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4 years ago
| | I see us as both M and C, as we are M in motion. And we are part of the big C. | | | |
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| 7. krfanlim (182)
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4 years ago
| | Now that's one big bunch of words you typed!! Anyways, i'm a Buddhist, and in Buddhism, we do not believe in a God. But whatever it is, after listening to many talks, naturally i've also learned much more. And all i could say here is that, Buddhism do talks a lot about what you've just said. I'm a mere student, so i'm not really able to reply to what you've just asked of an opinion, but i believe you could find the answer in Buddhism, and also other religions, as all religions have got their own answer.
The Buddha once said, "Believe and follow what you think is true for you, and that is the truth for you," | | | | | | |
| Gnosisquest (777)
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4 years ago
| | Thank you for the reply I will look closer at Buddhism but for now I feel it is important for me to get my own answers. The only religions I see as having come anywhere close to the truth is the Hindu and its offshoots such as Buddhism and Sikh. These are the only religions that did not need blood to spread their message. | | | |
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| 8. greenflash (33)
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4 years ago
| |  where do YOU go when you are in deep, dreamless sleep? where is the human personality in deep, dreamless sleep? why does every human (and every living thing) need sleep, when the brain, heart, lungs, etc keep working? you can "rest your body" sitting on couch, not asleep right??
maybe the place we go while sleeping is the same place mystics and meditators go in deep meditation......
where we actually are RIGHT NOW - if not for all these shiny objects to distract our attention.
einstein proved that time and space are in the mind of the observer - does a housecat know that today is Monday at 12:58 EST?
just breathe - everything else is icing on the cake
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| 9. urbandekay (6799)
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4 years ago
| |  "That which we perceive from can only be described as 'Now'.
Not a 'Now' which exist in time but a now which is independent of time."
This just doesn't follow, you give no reason to accept that now is independent of time and there are good and compelling reasons to believe that it is not
all the best urban
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