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Do you think its right when people SELL Spells? email this discussion to a friend?

myLot reputation of 96/100. moonlitmagikchild (7145)   ranked 15 out of 373 in wicca1 year ago

i know some one that is atheist and writes up spells for people to buy.. now i have always been one to believe in making your own and if you do look up spells from sources using the ones you find for ideas or guidelines on how to make your own etc.. which i do a lot when i cant decide on how im going to do things so i piece together several ideas from several sources and my own and make something unique..(but that is just my opinion)

well since this person totally doesnt believe in witchcraft i find it kind of um.. wrong/weird to write and sell spells and rituals as if they are one.. i have never mentioned it because i dont want to judge (and i could just be narrow minded in thinking it should be personal) and this person is in desperate need of money so its not like shes doing it to mess with people and i have never read any of them so who knows they may be good..

do you think its right for a person that totally doesnt believe in it to write and sell as if they do? do you think its right for some one to sell them anyways? or am i just being weird or basing this on personal preference?

i think this person may have been pagan in the past so they do have knowledge but since they do not believe it now makes me wonder if that disbelieving energy will affect the spell somehow or would only the caster matter??

 
 
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tags:  spells, pagan, witch craft, selling spells, atheist posing as pagan
 
1. myLot reputation of 82/100. unusualsuspect (2413)   ranked 335 out of 373 in wicca   1 year ago

I'd say that anyone who doesn't believe in magic or spells might see a good opportunity making them up and selling them to gullible believers. I'm not sure what being an atheist has to do with it. There's always good money to be made from people's delusions. It's really no different than selling fake pieces of the cross to catholics. Not something I'd be interested in doing, though. I don't believe in taking advantage of people just because it's possible.


myLot reputation of 96/100. moonlitmagikchild (7145)   ranked 15 out of 373 in wicca  1 year ago

i only put atheist to describe that the person doesnt believe in the beliefs they are writing for.. not as anything against atheist or anything.. but yeah i mean i can see it as a way of making money but i guess im the type of person that couldnt do something i dont believe in even if it was for money.. and i guess if people werent good at making my own they might benefit from buying them but since its not that persons beliefs i just think its kind of.. hmm how to put it.. weird?? fake??

but its not my problem i guess.. but if i was buying them i would want to know they were from some one legit other wise i would feel like it was more of a novelty than something i could take seriously and put a lot of faith into..

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2. myLot reputation of 92/100. highflyingxangel (8960)   ranked 10 out of 373 in wicca   1 year ago

I really don't think it's write to sell spells. I think it's OK to charge for supplies if you cast a spell for someone but I think the person you are casting for should have a hand in writing the spell. If they're not comfortable working spells I think it's quite alright to cast it and ask for a little bit of cash back for using supplies. Other than that, I think charging crazy high prices for spells, especially if you're just in it for the money ruins the spell.

I think that by doing that, the spell loses it's purpose and just won't work. Spells aren't meant to be used in that manner, to be tossed around so losely like a commodity in my opinion.


myLot reputation of 96/100. moonlitmagikchild (7145)   ranked 15 out of 373 in wicca  1 year ago

whats sad is its not like this person is the first person to do this.. you know a good amount of people that write or do things for different religions are prob faking and doing it for the money.. but still.. just seems so wrong to me.. and yeah i could see if the person casted it for the customer but its just written out and sold

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3. myLot reputation of 34/100. zukepr (11799)   ranked 6 out of 373 in wicca   12 months ago

I dont have a clue who you are talking about and its irrelevent anyway
first i think its wrong to sell spells as if they are knick knacks at a tourist stand
how in the world can you cast for a total stranger?
and why would you charge for it knowing that it may not work the way its supposed to because you dont know the person?
I dont think that any NON practitioner has any right casting let alone selling spells


myLot reputation of 96/100. moonlitmagikchild (7145)   ranked 15 out of 373 in wicca  12 months ago

yeah the person isnt on mylot or anything so you wouldnt know that person.. i think it just makes the whole thing (the religion and spells) seem corny and people may not take the real people that take the religion seriously as legit


myLot reputation of 34/100. zukepr (11799)   ranked 6 out of 373 in wicca  12 months ago

in my experience....
anyone that would cast a spell for a fee for someone they dont know is probably a con artist, stay away from them

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4. myLot reputation of 81/100. sisco100 (1385)   ranked 361 out of 373 in wicca   12 months ago

personally i don't believe in that kind of stuff. ya i don't think they should be selling things like that. i don't understand how some one could sell a spell. how much would something like that go for. this is so weird and a strange discussion. its like something that i saw in a TV show one time.


myLot reputation of 96/100. moonlitmagikchild (7145)   ranked 15 out of 373 in wicca  12 months ago

well im guessing (like i said i havent seen this persons spells but i have seen other places do it) they like give you instructions on tools (incense, athames, candles, oils, wands etc) and the chant to go with it and etc.. some people offer to cast it on the person for money which i am against..

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5. myLot reputation of 95/100. xParanoiax (4937)   ranked 25 out of 373 in wicca   8 months ago

It's like a con man selling fake jewely or watches, or "designer handbags", only if it's an actual casting done by someone who doesn't even believe in it, it's a bit worse than that imo. If it's just words and instructions, it's the same level and generally harmless (generally).

I normally make it a habit not to judge others, disagreeable as I find their practices (predatory, stupid, or whatever I feel their practices have a likelihood of being)...so I can't say that they have no right to do this. I just wouldn't say it's something that they SHOULD be doing.

It's perfectly possible to cast for a stranger, or based on general purposes, but con men like you're describing generally don't do much to actually do a real casting. It's a bunch of fluff to fool their customers and make them happy so that they can get a coin. That's all.*sighs*


myLot reputation of 96/100. moonlitmagikchild (7145)   ranked 15 out of 373 in wicca  8 months ago

true.. i just think since its in the spiritual beliefs/religion area (not sure what to call it to be politically correct lol) it makes it worse though

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6. myLot reputation of 85/100. huswyf (967)   ranked 59 out of 373 in wicca   8 months ago

Well, people used to sell spells and magical services - the village Cunning Man or Wise Wife - but that was to people who sought them out and they were expected to produce results. Often the same person sold cures and treated various ailments and, for the women, were expected to act as midwives and to lay out the dead when called upon. Such people worked within the communities they lived in. I'm not against magic workers doing that kind of thing today in their communities but I do have a problem with it on-line for various reasons.

If this person is desperate for the money I can understand that she's found something she can sell. I might not like that kind of thing but I'm not totally unsympathetic - especially as a lot of people who buy such spells are often those with more money than sense and want them for the wrong reasons anyway. I feel sorry for the few who might want help and are desperate but if it wasn't magic there are plenty of other places they could get ripped off (and probably a lot worse). I don't like the selling of hope to the desperate, it's just soooo wrong.




myLot reputation of 96/100. moonlitmagikchild (7145)   ranked 15 out of 373 in wicca  8 months ago

ugh i know its awful.. i remember stories on unsolved mysteries where this psychic had people convinced they had a hex on them and they kept paying her money and doing all kinds of crazy things convinced they were hexed for life! of course it was a scam

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7. myLot reputation of 94/100. silvernutbar (399)   ranked 296 out of 373 in wicca   2 weeks ago

Ok.. this isn't the topic I thought it would be, but i'll answer anyway.

A spell is not a 'thing' to 'sell' like cheap bracelet. It is an activation of subtle forces. I see nothing wrong in charing for this, unless of course you ARE a traditionalist wiccan.

In wicca it's wrong to sell spellcasting for spiritual reasons. However, it is one of the oldest professions in the world.

Tribal shamans worked to heal their clans and families with spell work and they WERE paid for this. Ancient witches took payment for spells.. and they WERE right to do this. Professional ceremonial mages do this as well, some of them anyway, and they WERE right to do so.

Priests of various religions offer blessings and accept donations to aid their temples and to further the teachings of their branch of divinity.. and they ARE right to do so.

However.. an atheist or someone who does NOT know what they are doing has no legitimate right to sell spell casting capacity or to pretend to cast a spell for anyone. That's actually illegal in many parts of the united states as well as other countries. It falls under the same type of scam or fraud legally that fake psychic mediums do.

Someone that hones their mind to a razor's edge and develops their mystical potential has every right in the world to profit from this. Only a handful of religions and spiritual paths proclaim otherwise.

How the heck do you think tribal shamans and priests ATE back in the day when they spent so much time healing and tending the people?

If you don't want to charge for spells cast, then charge for material construction and then for the end result for amulets of protection, or whatever.

You aren't charging for magic then.. you are charging for usage of an object of power you aided in the creation of.

The art of magic is a trade. It is a profession. If this is not true of the one casting spells for another, then they have no right to charge.

There is a difference between magic and religion. (also notice I do not use the K as in magick. I think that is silly.. if someone can't tell the difference between true magic and stage prestidigitation then they deserve to be confused.)

However there is religious USE of magic.. and if your religion says not to sell magic, or magic items.. then do not do so if you are a true adherent.

An atheist, or someone with little skill, should NOT sell magic. They are frauds, charlatans, and committing an actual crime. They can be fined AND imprisoned for this.

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