Shame On You Israel!

I'm with you, go Israel!

I'd hope that we'd hit hard, but I'd hope that we'd care enough to try to minimize the damage to the people surrounding the jerks that hurt us.
I'd hope we'd be smart about it...and we'd be allowed to be CRAZY after that, just not blind to what we were doing.

everyone wants to stop the bloodshed. especially children should have a safe place to grow up. but if they stop for a moment even to think, they will get swallowed by their enemies.

If the bad guys didn't hide among the good guys, it would be soooo easy, wouldn't it? If the bad guys would stand by themselves, not hide arms in mosques and terrorists among civilians, wouldn't it be easy to get them? It's not happening like that.

Sure it'd be easy, but life's not like that.
If it wasn't hard it wouldn't be happening.

There ARE methods other than bombs, though.

NONE of us here are experts on this type of thing...but to say, "There's no other way than to just kill everybody in such and such locations"...is just flat out false.

I'm not even saying that most experts can really easily find alternatives either.
I'm sure it's hard for them as well...but the thing is, I don't see anyone TRYING to find alternatives. All I see is, "ZOMG BOMB THEM!"

I can't say what they should do. I don't even really know the scope of the bad that Hammas offers if they pause to think about it, like the other commenter said "They can't stop or else...".
And I don't disagree that Israel has the right to defend itself...
I'm ALLOWED to believe there's a better way somewhere and that they should be thinking about how to kill less innocent people.

NOTHING about this is OK. I'm tired of people acting like some things are just fine.

What do you think Israel should do, give the Palestinians more of their land. They've tried that a number of times and it hasn't worked. Hamas and almost all Arabs hate Israel and have for thousands of years. Maybe by killing the innocent, the innocent will say "ENOUGH" and they themselves will but a stop to it.

Israel should go after Hamas, but they shouldn't be using crap like clusterbombs that take out not just the building the bad guys are in...but the entire surrounding area as well.
Becoming the bad guy to get hurting innocent people to do something which MIGHT fix everything...after being treated awful for years and being cut off from the whole world...and escape, in some cases...

...that's a very dark shade of grey answer, if there ever was one.

Hamas is a group. It is not all Palestinians. To make all Palestinians suffer because of Hamas isn't right.

There is no clear cut answer because this situation didn't arise from clear circumstances that happened over the past week.

Hamas has been attacking Israel for a long time.

I GET how they think that maybe now's the time for extreme actions...but all the same, not caring that you're hurting more innocent people...hurting people that was avoidable...is wrong.

If they picked different weapons and different methods of employing them...then I would not say anything.

WHY is this wrong of me? I don't claim to tell Israel what they should do -- I just say I disagree with what they're doing. I don't KNOW what they should do, because I'm NOT an expert. But I know there's ALWAYS another way. Maybe it requires them to get creative...maybe it requires them to break some rules...but if they could cut down on this body count, I would shut the hell up.

It's not a simple situation, and I'm not pretending it is.

I will agree with you; unfortunately, there are no simple solutions.

Thanks, Myk. That means alot to me.

American made F-16's are being used by the Israelis. Israels DC ties, and the relationship with our government...economy....

Yeah, but America should just ignore what the Israelis are doing? Why?

In Iraq, didn't we help people remove the Taliban that they did not support, that "caused" the attacks on America?

Why is this any different? The people who caused the attacks on Israel, should be found, but innocents should not be taken for the goal.

These people are ruled by someone who does not value their lives, and I cannot fathom in this day and age that it is okay to just attack this entire group of people, because Hamas wants it to happen...

FA-18's, not F-16's, which are being phased out and sold to less favorit American allies. Also, the Taliban rule was removed from Afghanistan, not Iraq, which was ruled by Saddam's Ba'athist regime...
I don't even know what you're trying to say, the U.S. should get involved directly with troops?? No way!! We're way overextended and don't have the resources to even hold a presence in the two countries we're already trying to secure. Plus, Israel already gets access to all of our state of the art weapons: Apaches, Abrams, .50 depleted uranium rounds... you name it, they've got access to it. Seems like the Israelis are doing just fine.
It would be nice if one side could just win, finally...but the international community would have a hissy-fit...whether the Palestinians (with their outside support) conquered Israel or if the Israelis (with their outside support) conquered Palestine. It's like we're all happy to just let a modern day hundred years war happen...hurray for history repeating itself:(

If civilians are launching rockets into Israel, then it seems to me they are making themselves targets and shouldn't complain if civilians get killed.

War is ugly; there has never been a war that innocent people did not get killed in, and there never will be.

As for why would Hamas break a cease fire they have agreed to? Why would anyone; but it happens all the time. You can't think of logic when war is involved; if all the parties thought logically, there would be no war, would there?

So if one civilian shot a rocket into Israel, it's okay to punish them all? Where is that kind of logic? The point is that Israel doesn't even know for sure that Hamas is responsible for breaking the truce, but they had no problem retaliating when it happened back in June. So Hamas retaliated against them. It's all a he-said she-said game and Israel has everyone convinced that they are victims here...

mybe they sould try to take care of there own. if i was Israle i would send rocket after rocket to they find away to get Hamas out. but 200 years of war won,t stop now because they have more t.v to show what has happen for years

I agree that they should try to take care of their own and develop a more peaceful and nonviolent resistance to Israel, but unfortunately that isn't going to happen anytime soon especially when Israel is only helping the cause of Hamas by this siege and by their inhumane border blockade that has been going on for decades.

come on Hamas broke the agree when they started with the rocket and has been the same thing for years and it will keep goin on. they have more people there that are not in Hamas let them stop there own people then they won,t be in a war with Israel

I posted an article I wrote about Gaza in "concerned human" because I didn't think it belonged in politics... anyway anyone who wants to read it here ya go http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/1858700.aspx

I thought that it was against the TOS to post links to other discussions.

I wasn't aware of that. Sorry if I broke the rules!

The following is from an article that I read on the fightingb between Israel and Hamas and Islamic Jihad state:

The Gaza Strip's warriors have been firing rockets at Israeli border towns for nearly eight years and while Israel has tended all along to strike back with much greater lethal force, never has it launched such a ferocious reprisal as its current Operation Solid Lead.

So if someone is firing rockets at you for all of this time, and don't get me wrong, I don't know that much of the politics, but don't you eventually have to fire a few back?? I think that maybe we should forget 9-11 also and maybe these murderous people will all just go away, especially if they are ignored long enough.. Is 8 years long enough??

Israel has been directly causing a humanitarian crisis in Gaza for much longer than 8 years, by controlling their border, their electricity, and their fuel... and has also used force against them constantly during that period. And seeing as the killings are so disproportionate, it seems pretty clear to me that this is not about taking it for too long. They have never simply sat back while Gaza fired missiles into Israel. They have been using poverty and a shortage of medical supplies as their main weapon, along with their traditional ones...

Boo Hoo! Both sides are suffering. It's always hard to hear people like you only looking the Palestinian's point of view and playing up their suffering. Sure, Israel isn't exactly the desired neighbor, but good gracious both sides are at fault for the conflict. You said that Hamas didn't violate the cease fire, apparently you don't watch the news, because Hamas announced they were violating the cease fire and then proceeded to violate it...straightforward cause and effect.

I said it once, I'll say it again, the international community needs to step back and let somebody win this dang war, whether it's Israel or Palestine! Until that day comes, thank goodness that Israel at least has the bombing attacks under control these days, the rockets are a nice reprieve from tourist bus murders. By the way, Hamas knows what it's doing and realizes the consequences of violating the cease fire, which is endangering their own civilian population. The simple fact is that they'll never negotiate a peace with a nation that they don't recognize as legitimate, so look forward to many years of this same conflict played out like it always has been.

murderstik sez..."So if one civilian shot a rocket into Israel, it's okay to punish them all? Where is that kind of logic? The point is that Israel doesn't even know for sure that Hamas is responsible for breaking the truce, but they had no problem retaliating when it happened back in June. So Hamas retaliated against them. It's all a he-said she-said game and Israel has everyone convinced that they are victims here... "

If it had only been one rocket. Did I mistake hearing that since Gaza was given back to Palestinian control, (Hamas included) 4000 odd rockets have been shot into Israel?

That's a bit more than one. And if you are not trying to stop the militants, then you are one and deserve to have the same reward as the militants.

Where are civilains getting rockets? Sorry but if your carrying heavy military hardware in a warzone & shooting it you better be in the military.

Someones got to be supplying those "civilians" you know.

Civilians firing rockets? Have you any idea what you are talking about? Have you actually handled a Russian 122mm rocket? Were not talking about a bamboo RPG2 here.

Once more, gems of rubbish coming from people who have no idea what they are talking about - like I pack a 0.5" Browning MG in a holster on my leg. Please!

Sorry, by "civilian" I meant someone NOT affiliated with Hamas, which is the government of Gaza. Actually after more research I have determined that it was Islamic Jihad militants who originally broke the ceasefire.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/middle_east/7470530.stm
http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/diarypage.php?did=8039
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=61573§ionid=351020202
Israel retaliated, and Hamas retaliated against them in defense. Israel then punished them with extreme poverty by allowing even less than normal supplies to reach Gaza.

Bishop, no one is going to win the war because Hamas is not a traditional type of government. They have been labeled a terrorist organization by several nations and do not use traditional means of warfare. They have made it clear that peace will only be an option if Israel withdraws back to the UN resolution lines of 1947 and Israel withdraws control of Gaza and the West Bank completely. Israel is obviously no where near agreeing to do anything of the sort. The only way that Israel will get the quiet it wants from Hamas - since they have said that they aren't trying to overthrow them - is to kill everyone of Gaza. Hamas obviously doesn't even stand a chance against Israel, it's a David and Goliath situation and David only has the weapons that have been smuggled in. Israel has a very strong military, I think we all know that. And yes, Hamas knew what it was doing. They knew that Israel would attack them. That still doesn't make what Israel is doing RIGHT, especially when they are in violation of many international war guidelines and law.

BC, you fail to mention how many people of Gaza have been killed by Israel over the years and how many have been suffering from Israel-inflicted poverty basically since 1949 and especially after 1967 occupation. These people have very little hope and have reached out to extreme means because of it. This war is only going to make the situation worse and cause more people to join the cause of Hamas and Islamic militancy. It's only going to make Israel more vulnerable to attack. And I don't want that for Israel. Israel needs to take some steps to peace and allow the people of Gaza some hope for a better future so they will not want groups like Hamas in power. The easiest way to do that is to give them a hope economically.

BCMike says," if you are not trying to stop the militants, then you are one and deserve to have the same reward as the militants".Did you overlook this murderistic?

BCMike seems to believe he is trying to stop the militants.And you are not doing that.So you should be 'rewarded' as the militants are being rewarded?Is this not what BCMike says?This shows his impatience and intolerance only.
He believes that Istael has been trying to stop the militants for so many years.How much did it succeed? Militants, or terrorists seems to be what BCMike means to say,have not been stopped a bit by the methods used by Israel, because what Istael has been resorting to is State Terrorism.
So this cannot be a solution to the problem.Let us not forget for even a moment that real or perceived injustice is the very soil on which terrorism best thrives.
Let us accept that Israel is a reality that cannot be wished away.Similarly, Palestine is a reality nobody can ignore.This fact has to be accepted by Israel and Palestine, both. Israel has occupied Palestine's territory by brute force. This has to be rectified.
Israel is and has been supported by the US.Unless the US modifies its policy towards Israel and Palestine, this war will not stop.This problem will not find a solution.The UNO is ignored by Israel and the US in this regard.World opinion is disregarded.If BCMike calls murderistic a militant for his views on Israel,he will find millions and milions of such 'militants' in every country in every continent.Let him try to reward them all.
The history of Vietnam, Algeria, Southh Africa and so many countries tells us that brutal force can succed for some time but not for long.Do you think Israel can do to Palasine what the US could not do in Vietnam?

Nuke em? Are you serious?

These "stupid little groups" will have much more of an impact if they get their hands on nukes.

Wonder what that could do for everyone else.

Sounds like a bad plan to me.

And mummies? Whose culture are you referring to? Israeli women or Palestinian women...?

Sounds like sterotypical garbage.

it makes me sick the same people who ask for help are the one,s who don,t like the help we give. if you don,t like how the U.S helps then don,t ask for it

sorry to the both of you i read your response and then put mine in the wrong spot. sorry again

i said NUKE EM not give them nukes Pitgull.....the only time their hands will be on the nukes is the 16th of a second before it detonates.......and yes i'm very serious.

and yeah, they are stupid little groups stuck in the stone age......killing each other in the name of their so called religion.......because others don't conform to their beliefs..........can we say Nazis???..........give me a break.

and when i said mummies, i was referring to any culture that treats their women like garbage by forcing them to wrap themselves from head to foot and punishing them if they even think about having any rights.......like the right to do whatever the hell they want to do with their own lives.

stereotypical garbage???.........if it walks like a duck......it's probably a duck.


no need to apologize wheresthefun.......your response actually made sense.

Very well stated, bear!

sconibear,*here's my hat tipping to you*, good going, maybe you should run for Prez and I am not being sarcastic.. Applause from me to you..

thanks Donna..........but.........they don't let bears on Air Force One.

Haha I can just imagine it now.

Mr. President, what is your response to the crisis in Gaza?
President: NUKE EM!!

That'll go over well with the UN. LOL.

Hell yeah! I would vote for him in a blink of an eye!!

NUKE the UN too!!!

awwwwwwwwwwwwww hell yeah!!!!!!

Bear for Prez!!

i think i'm beginning to like this president stuff.........



NUKE Pee-Wee Herman's house...........just a small one.

The UN is the most useless entity in the history of humans, it SHOULD be nuked! Or at least kicked out of NY (where they haven't paid their rent, taxes or water bills for years).

Well I was going to run a coup & take over the presidency & put MSV in the supreme court but I guess you could have the presidency instead. I think I'd make a better executioner anyways.

MSV has left the building...

My sentiments exactly,{b]Haha I can just imagine it now.

Mr. President, what is your response to the crisis in Gaza?
President: NUKE EM!!

That'll go over well with the UN. LOL.

Sounded like sarcasm to me, but a good plan anyway..

Bear, you still got my vote..

And another one, NUKE THE UN also..

what about Pee Wee???
should we spare him???

I can't even imagine how unrest everyone must be around you in Egypt. I mean even in the states there are thousands protesting the war but in Egypt you must see protesters everywhere you go. Unfortunately I don't think Israel even cares about it's own people protesting, they throw the people who don't want to serve in the army because of the situation in Gaza and the West Bank in jail.

wow... this news coming from a real person in that area is believable.. i often get confused which is the truth since the news channel people change according to their interest..

That's why I don't understand how Americans can be like, "It has nothing to do with us"

look at this conversation.

Nothing to do with America?

And Israel sits there with America on speed dial....
$, planes, information?

What do we have to do with the Middle East conflicts? Look at Israel, and you do not have to search far.............

It's true pitgull, and many Jewish-American citizens have been calling on the US to stop their aid to Israel because it's only being used to further the humanitarian crisis in Gaza and the West Bank.

From what I can see around me, the peopl of Egypt are not overly flustered by the situation at the moment, but I have seen one or two demonstrations being held outside one of the local Universities. When you have a country that borders this region and that has a specific interest in the Gaza Strip as well, I suppose they are somewhat accustomed to trouble there.

The comments about the US involvement with Israel potentially being a bane rather than a boon are valid in my opinion. US/Middle East relationships on the whole are strained at best; and to have the US so strongly aligned with the least favoured country in the region is of concern in the long run. What many people do not realize, is that many Middle Eastern countries refuse to do business with any company, or buy any products that have Israeli ties. Some countries in this region will even frown upon an Israeli stamp in your passport!

There are many agenda's in play here that we will never know! Again, all I hope for now is that the situation fizzles out to some degree without involving too much US participation or inputs from other entities.

Yeah, like five people. Good call murderistic...good name by the way, since you support one side's slaughter of civilians, it does sound like a murderistic approach. The minute the US pulls its far superior aid of weapons to Israel, Iran's money funds the extermination of the Jewish people, it would be WWII part II. IDIOTIC.
No sane person would advocate that, maybe advocate a strict defense (i.e., no offense) military strategy, but cutting off aid is out of the question. If Israel is allowed to be rolled over, why doesn't the U.S. withdraw from every Middle-east country and let them do whatever they want (sarcastic)? And when the day comes that Ethiopian and Kenyan Christians begin to be slaughtered from a natural expansion by opposition forces, we should just stand back and let it happen too. Maybe if we're lucky the Clintonian policy of "they'll leave us alone" will finally work out...we tried it in Bosnia and let thousands be murdered, why not give another go at it?...idiotic!!

Hamas and others will not stop attacking Israel.
They are not God, but try to take his place in
deciding who should and who should not have the
right to live (and exsist as a nation).

Israel has had their land taken from them little by
little over the years, and it is the age old replay
of the story of "David and Goliath."

Hamas and other radical muslim counterparts, have been
taught that Israel 'must' be owned and occupied by
the muslim groups.

If you read your Bible, you will see that those who attack
Israel, are considered "the enemies of God Almighty."


And there is yet a horrible war coming in the area, where
many nations will come together to utterly destroy the Jews.

For the most part, Israel will live in peace, and not bother
any of their neighbors, unless fired upon. And any nation
is not going to stand around doing nothing, when A 'group'
is trying to undermine their soverighty, and take their land
away from them.

And don't believe everything you are going by from the media.
They are very biased against Israel, and are playing out
mostly what is happening in Gaza. For every report on TV
that I've seen about Israel - there have been 2 or even
3, about the people in Gaza.

War is truely horrible, and there are always innocent casualties.
That's part of the price we pay for our pride, selfishness, and
desires to have control over others.

Yup - the big war is coming. Don't know if we'll see it in our
time. We just might. But God himself will intervene at some
point and in behalf of the Israelies. Sorry if that crosses
your doctrine, but it's in the Book, and I believe it.

I have already made my stance perfectly clear, I don't support Hamas sending rockets into Israel and I know that this war is only going to increase aggression against Israel, which I do not want. Look up the word "murderistic" it's a slang term from the swing era, many Jews used that word too lol.

I haven't seen any evidence of them using women and children as shields. Hamas is banned from having a military base so they kind of have to be creative in where they keep their supplies. Hamas leaders sleeping in their homes and praying at church aren't exactly using people as shields are they? What are they supposed to do, run in the street and scream "here I am! come bomb me!"

lol oops, I meant mosque

I'm trying to figure out how Palestinians and Hamas using women and children as human shields is Israel's fault.

this shows how much their cherish the most fragile lives around them... doesn't it?

Go see Msv's latest discussion. Muslims have no respect for life; not even their own.

So you've decided Hamas isn't a terrorist organization now?

They have no choice but to hide among women and children now, is that it? It's all Israel's fault because Israel won't surrender to an organization whose sole reason for existence is the annihilation of Israel.

First of all I am not the kind of person who discriminates against people for their religion. Second of all, a lot of people in Palestine would give their lives to do anything to resist Israel because they are so enraged and hopeless, that is true. So how is killing them going to solve anything? How about giving them hope? Allowing them to lead normal lives, work, develop a sustainable economy?

Hammas has been sending women and children into Israel with bombs strapped on to do their dirty work for years...

Hamas is a terrorist organization. But the more I read about them, the more I understand why - why they're in power, why they are so cruel and heartless toward Israel, and why they have to fight Israel in any means possible. That doesn't mean they aren't a terrorist organization. With Hamas in power there will never be peace in Israel and Palestine. But guess what, Israel is the one who put Hamas in power when they pushed for a free election in Gaza. And then they try to fight back at Gaza for electing Hamas with killing and starving the people of Gaza... to accomplish what?

come on now thats not Hamas fault it,s the U.S LOL

Why, SUUUURE! it's all America's fault!

sorry but some people just make me sick

get used to it.. you will see many people that give you that feeling of wanting to run out and hug a tree and lose your lunch!

yeah, we're bad to the bone.

Yeah, using women and children as human shields is always justified.

A pacifist justifying terrorists.

Now I've seen everything.

awww they probably didn't mean to use them as shields.. nope! they forgot they moved the play ground in the line of fire.. that's all......

them peace loving dudes!

now! let's hold hands and sing "Imagine there were no juice"...*sigh*

snd you are justifying the slaughter of over 500 people and a war that will only breed more terrorists. Don't criticize me.

Murderistic, I never claimed to be a pacifist. And I have no respect for the lives of those who train their children to strap bombs to their backs and blow themselves up in the name of the vicious, petty god.

*flips hair*

*leans head to side*

*empty look*

Now, Dana!!! Don't be hatin'!!!

*fake smile*

As long as Hamas is in charge of Gaza then I have zero sympathy for the people who put them in charge.

This is what they asked for.

you right on this one if they can,t stop them then let the Israel stop it for them

SND it is obvious that you are not a pacifist. I have made it clear that I do not support Hamas, but instead of just feeding into what the government spits out at me I actually looked into the matter objectively and have found a reasonable explanation to the crisis in the middle east that actually makes sense and have proposed a reasonable resolution that actually makes sense. If you are so against the people that you claim to be so terrible and you would like to see a change, I can guarantee you that no change will come out of killing them off or starving them to death... it will only create more anger hatred and terrorists. You don't have to be a pacifist to see that. You yourself claim that Hamas is a terrorist group - not a reasonable governmental organization. So why do you that that traditional warfare (even though in this case it is anything but traditional) is going to solve anything?

NO evidence of hamas using people as human shields? REALLY?

http://newsblaze.com/story/20081229092838zzzz.nb/topstory.html

Published: December 29,2008

Hamas Explains Use of Civilians as Human Shields

By Itamar Marcus and Barbara Crook

"We desire death as you desire life."

The UN announcement that 51 civilians have died in the conflict in Gaza must be understood in the context of Hamas's declared ideology to use civilians as human shields for Hamas fighters. Indeed, Hamas continues to emphasize and promote the religious ideology that death for Allah is an ideal to be actively pursued.

The goal is to convince Palestinians, including women and children, not to fear death but even to face it at the front to protect Hamas fighters. Hamas's placement of its military installations and fighters among civilians reflects this ideology, and has led to these 51 deaths.

A Hamas representative in the PA legislative council this year expressed pride in the fact that women and children are used as human shields in fighting Israel. He described it as part of a "death industry" at which Palestinians excel, and explained that the Palestinians "desire death" with the same intensity that Israelis "desire life."

The following is the full text of the comments by Hamas representative Fathi Hamad: "For the Palestinian people death became an industry, at which women excel and so do all people on this land: the elderly excel, the Jihad fighters excel, and the children excel. Accordingly [Palestinians] created a human shield of women, children, the elderly and the Jihad fighters against the Zionist bombing machine, as if they were saying to the Zionist enemy: We desire death as you desire life."

They say they WANT TO DIE, that they value death as others value life.

sick.... sick...... sick!

MSV, that quote is from a year ago. Regardless of Hamas ideology I still fail to see how they are hiding and using civilians as human shields! They don't have a military base to go to, do they? Where are they supposed to go, to the tunnels that Israel is blowing up? Israel claims that Hamas is "hiding" in hospitals and mosques. And apparently even in their own homes. It seems to me that those are REASONABLE places for people to be going. Places that they would normally go. Not a hiding place. Gaza doesn't have a traditional military base because they are banned from having a military. Most Hamas leaders are not even personally involved in the rocketfire - they're political leaders and instructors. There is a separate militant regime and Hamas works very hard to keep that separate. I learned that today from an interview with an ex-Hamas leader turned Christian on FOX news!

((MSV, that quote is from a year ago.))

Does that mean they have changed their thinking in the past year, I don't imagine so..

No of course they haven't changed their thinking, that's not the point. The point is I'm not talking about their way of thinking. I'm talking about what is actually happening. And I'm not bringing it up to justify Hamas, because I believe in peace-building and nonviolent resistance which is the exact opposite of Hamas. The reason I bring it up is because that is Israel's excuse for killing so many innocent civilians. And from what I can tell, it's a lie.

http://infidelsarecool.co... How the MSM teaches you to hate Israel.


For instance, you've heard all about the civilian casualties but you were "unaware" that Hamas is using human shields.

They could have asked why the Palestinians seem to be in such a humanitarian crisis when Israel was sending in truckloads of aid right up until it began responding to the rocket attacks.

Does anyone remember that Palestinian kids show teaching kids about being martyred for allah and killing jews?

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/122365

http://international-animated-films.suite101.com/article.cfm/mickey_mouse_clone_teaches_hate

Yeah, and the Palestinians bear no responsibility for their current plight when they PUT Hamas in power?

Let me break that down: Hamas exists for the SOLE PURPOSE of the eradication of Israel and the Palestinians put them in power. Now if they REALLY wanted peace did it make ANY sense to put Hamas in power?

So let me get this straight muderistic. You think Hamas should be allowed to launch attacks against Israel from schools, mosques and homes and Israel isn't supposed to retaliate because there might be civilian casualties? Are you fkijng kidding me? Do you understand how utterly ridiculous that argument is?

If you're firing rockets at me you best understand that I don't care where you are-- I'm going to retaliate. So if you fire rockets at me from your kid's school you must not care if I blow it the fk up.

Hamas doesn't give a ratsass about the civilian casualties except to fire the world up against Israel. It would kill those people itself if it could get away with it.

SND, I don't think Hamas should be firing rockets into Israel. I HAVE MADE THAT CLEAR. Oh my gosh you are hard-headed. I am a mennonite and I believe in peacebuilding and nonviolent resistance and that is the exact opposite of what Hamas is doing. Didn't I say that already? But that doesn't make Israel right, and from a logical standpoint the war is just going to make Israel more vunerable for attack and is going to make the people of Gaza even more hopeless and reach out to even more extreme means of fighting Israel. I want to RESOLVE the situation not make it worse! The people of Gaza need hope, not more death! Only then will they have no need for a group like Hamas!

Hamas claimed using women and children is a better bait to draw Israel into the trap set up in Gaza city, Israelis soldiers believed women and children are great target to stop Hamas rocket.

YEAH u went to fight them in iraq and destroy WMD but u did not find any WMD but plenty of OIL. HEY WHAT A COINCIDENCE.

WE FOUND OIL??? no wonder our gas prices are at an all time low.(dripping with sarcasm)

Here sconi- use this towel before you drip that sarcasm all over the floor.

thanks myk.

*wraps towel around head*

i'm going to go find me some oil.

Now that's funny!

rofl!!!!!!!

sconi, when you find some can I borrow a few gallons?

That's funny, because the Palestinians oil supply is controlled by Israel and they have very little of it...

ABAKU KEK RINDICK BUSHUCK BALA BALA OBI WAN KENOBI!!!

sorry just brushing up on my mid east speak.

of course you can borrow a cup of oil......when ya gonna pay me back???
well.....i'm waiting!!!

Can I have a cup also, I imagine that it will not be long before the greed makes our prices go up again, so if you loan me a cup, I promise to pay it back, really I do..

Ah, that's sad, Gurkha can't read...or maybe you're just too lazy to read the Iraq Survey Group Report which details that there were weapons of mass destruction found (chemical weapons, air gas bombs, nuclear centerfuges, etc.), just not in the quantity expected. Plus, Iraqi General Georges Sada gave testimony that his airforce shipped over 57 737 cargo plane loads to Syria two weeks before the invasion (probably not related at all...SARCASM). Maybe the US just doesn't want people to know that we screwed up yet again and kinda can't account for a huge supply of WMD's which are now accessible to terrorists, what do ya know, it looks just a bit bad. I mean the CIA still hasn't lived down the Bay of Pigs disaster...

Also, the US isn't benefiting from the oil. First, hardly any is getting out because of the terrorist attacks on the pipeline infrastructure and what is getting out leads to the profit only for the Iraqi government (just look at their surplus). I would love it if Iraq would pay Uncle Sam MY SPENT TAX DOLLARS BACK, but that's just yet another thing on a long list of NOT-GONNA-HAPPENS

WOW!

so thats wat the so called holy bible teaches u.

"Though unfortunetly almost everyone has gone back to just caring about their cell phones and text messages and all that bullshiit again."

LOL! true!

On September 11, 2001, after nearly 3000 innocent people were slaughtered in less than 2hours by jihadist scumbags, the palestiniams were DANCING IN THE STREETS celebrating America's pain. Phuck palestine, and phuck hamas, they deserve no sympathy whatsoever. You can't freaking attack people and then pretend to be an innocent victim when people fight back!

Yeah, they deserve none for doing that.

Oh but MSV, if they don't do these acts, then they don't get their 72 virgins, and now where is the fun in that??

These murderous idiots don't even realize that it is a 72-yr old virgin, and I didn't see in the rule book if it was men virgins or women virgins..

Now who wants to strap on a bomb??

there's a reason they're all still virgins Donna.

*shudder*

roflmao!!!!!!!

If heaven is an eternity and you have only 72 virgins, doesn't that mean that you'll run out of virgins in literally no time? Plus, you're in heaven with an infinite, mighty, and awesome God, but you're off in the corner making whoopie and not worshiping the creator of all life...what's that saying, "If it sounds to good to be true, it probably is." Just need to get that translated into Arabic and then this whole terrorism thing will stop;-)

And - YES there were WMDs. They were shipped out on 707's
and 18 wheelers, into Syria,Pakistan, Lebanon, and Iran.

This report was from Saddam Hussein's "top military general."

He was interviewed about 2 yrs. ago here in America.