So if we are so low on oil WHY are we are shutting down wells in Colorado??!?  |
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| I have a husband who is a crude oil driver in Colorado. He has had this job less than a year and the newest member of this team in our area. So he comes home today with news that because of the "Low" price of oil they are starting to shut down wells in Colorado!! Can you even believe it? I mean....aren't we in a shortage? Don't we want to lower our dependence on foreign oi? Aren't we supposed to be getting more effecient and more self-relient on our own? Here is the article I found on the web concerning this issue....sorry I can't seem to get a clickable link so bear with me..... TRINIDAD - The worldwide economic slowdown that is hurting demand for energy has caused one gas company to idle its natural-gas drilling operations in Las Animas County. Pioneer Natural Resources Co. has had to shut down all of its drill rigs in the Trinidad area. Worse, the company hired to drill those wells, Purgatoire Valley Construction, has laid off about 100 workers because of the slowdown. With more than 500 employees, Pioneer is one of the county’s largest employers. It also has operations elsewhere in the United States, South Africa and Tunisia. Oil and gas commodity prices, which have plunged since hitting record highs in July, will rise again by the second half of 2009, according to Tom Sheffield, vice president of the Rocky Mountain Assets Team at Pioneer. But in the meantime, local construction companies hired to work with Pioneer on well drilling projects have had to lay off employees. Despite rumors floating around Trinidad, Pioneer is not laying off any of its estimated 510-515 employees, Sheffield said. The price of oil is well below $50 a barrel, less than one-third from the price in summer. The price of natural gas, too, is a third of what it was six months earlier SOOOO your thoughts? How do you feel about this idea of shutting down domestic wells even though the price of fuel is not great and everyone in the political scene is whining about our dependancy on foreign oil? Any thoughts on this? | | | | | |
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1. tea512 (625)
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3 years ago
| | the cost of drilling for oil in these places far out weight the 42 dollar a barrell it is currently trading at. when the price skyrockets and demand is high these option will open them selves up again. There is a place in western canada that could have 50 billion gallons of oil but it will cost close to 125 a barrell to pull it up. If the price is right it will happen. | | | | | | |
hornswaggled (2074)
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3 years ago
| | So why can't we subsidize oil production? Wouldn't it pay better to take care of our own than to get it from foreign countries? That's something I think would make a lot more sense.... | | | |
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2. aprilj1231 (230)
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3 years ago
| | I feel like oil companies want to make more profit and don't much care for us and our needs durring this time of economic crisis. I think we need to stop depending on foreign oil and if we would do so then we would have more control over the world's economy and would be able to affect change in our favor. I read that we had one of the largest oil reserves in the world in Alaska and it has not been drilled as of yet, mainly because the environmentalist are raising cain about wrecking the environment. The Alaskans want drilling there, it's actually in a very remote part of Alaska where for the vast majority of the year is uninhabitable because it's above the artic circle. The Alaskan environmentalists actually LOVE the exisiting pipeline because it's been great for the caribou populations because they are drawn to the warmth comming from the pipes and apparently it uh makes them want to mate more....since the pipeline was completed the caribou population has steadily been on the rise. It iratates me that we don't make use of our own resources (which would in turn put our own people to work) for the sake of some trees in some wasteland or some owls.....hmmm, plants and animals or PEOPLE. I don't know why we aren't using what we have and taking control and driving the world economy instead of letting us drive us but I am tired of it (not that anyone listens to me). I think we should use what we have, but use it wisely. | | | | | | |
hornswaggled (2074)
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3 years ago
| | I totally understand...and you are right about the oil reserves in Alaska. There are others in our great country too but we will probably never see it though... And if that is true about the pipeline it's also true that Alaskans get a nice little check in the mail each year for being citizens of that state...so why can't we just get the oil we need for ourselves and quit playing this stupid politcal game? | | | |
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3. Debs_place (6749)
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3 years ago
| | That kind of stuff really aggravates me. I can barely afford to live and because the prices are down, instead of stock piling and giving the middle east the bird when they try and raise prices, we cut oil production. I want to meet the people that make these decision and beat them silly (they are already stupid) | | | | | | |
hornswaggled (2074)
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3 years ago
| | Isn't that the truth? I would love to use a little "home boy" economics on these bozo's! | | | |
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4. MYKLJ999_VERSION_2 (2961)
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3 years ago
| | For the same reason they are plugging producing wells in Illinois; economics. They are greedy and they aren't getting the money they want, so they are shutting down wells to limit supply in hope of raising the prices again. | | | | | | |
hornswaggled (2074)
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3 years ago
| | I'm sure you probably understand this better than most of us here at mylot but I guess I just would love for SOMEONE to have more common sense than to let these crooks get away with this...and it's the politions too....I mean if they really wanted to put a stop to it they would be ear marking monies to help this problem instead of millions to study the effects of pig manure.....seems like the smell from Washington would be what they should be working on instead.... | | | |
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5. jonesy123 (3256)
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3 years ago
| | Demand has gone down tremendously around the world. Oil prices per barrel are so low, producers don't even want to sell the oil anymore. There are tankers docked out in the see, filled with oil but unable or unwilling to unload it. And the line is getting longer. Many producers are storing what they drill waiting for prices to go up in order to turn a decent profit. When the available storage is filled, they start shutting down the wells. What else are they supposed to do? They can't just keep producing if nobody really wants it. Raffineries have greatly reduced their production, too. They all are trying to get some sort of price stability established. Many play the waiting game. Wait for the economy to improve again and for demand to go up again. The price of fuel as of now is determined by the value of the dollar and by how low the producers are willing to go. And it's determined by raffinery output, which as I already said, has been greatly reduced. And yes, probably some profit taking since we are so used to the high prices. Anyhow, even though they shut down the well, that doesn't mean it's lost. I heard somewhere it takes about six weeks to get a disabled well up to full speed production again. If the situation improves I'm sure they'll start production again. But as of now, it's cheaper for them to stop production than to produce the oil and sell it at the current price. They probably stored what they could and will start selling that once prices improve. | | | | | | |
jonesy123 (3256)
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3 years ago
| | I forgot to add, domestic oil always used to be more expensive than foreign oil. That's why we don't send it via pipelines all over the country. Most areas are supplied with foreign oil. Now that domestic oil is actually cheaper (I heard a report on Texas mentioning this), the national demand for it isn't really going up, because there are no pipelines in place to get it where it's needed. They said, it would be too costly to build a pipeline to supply the whole nation with the now cheaper Texas oil to just have it to be more expensive than foreign oil again in a couple of years. Go figure! | | | |
hornswaggled (2074)
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3 years ago
| | I have to differ with you on whether it's cheaper than using foreign oil over ours...for one thing they wouldn't have their finger on us for favors etc...and for another we could find a way to make it cheaper if we didn't have the oil companies playing the money game...I don't have a lot of sympathies for the filthy rich..... | | | |
jonesy123 (3256)
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3 years ago
| | Well, that is your right to differ in opinion. While I agree that the oil companies play the money game and are filthy rich, it is, however, a fact that oil production here is indeed more expensive than for example in the Middle East. And for both we pay political favors. The domestic producers get all kinds of tax breaks and other special treatments. If at this point it wouldn't be cheaper to put alternative energy measures in place, they would even be able to negotiate being subsidized because those 'poor' oil millionaires have to pay the high wages in the US and drill harder to find more oil and it's oh so more expensive to get it out of the ground (as if that wasn't factored into the price for years). The wanting to stay competitive card would have easily been played. Although we are not ready yet, the days of the oil profits are numbered. They are doing their best to prevent it. It's another perk they have been given. Why do you think the US is so far behind in alternative energy resources? With so many brilliant scientists around, shouldn't we be the leaders with the cutting edge alternative energy technology? For years politicians have given in to the oil lobbying. There hardly were funds for research into alternative energy. Slowly but surely things grew stronger in that market only because oil became so much more expensive and we needed something to fall back on. I have do give Obama one thing, he is finally making a major push into that direction and away from oil. Oil is a limited and non-renewable resource. The people in the business knew it for decades. They took their profits when they could. They were the most expensive producers around, because they could. They could still sell their oil. Now they are all sitting on it and went down in price, because unlike those foreign producers, domestic producers have an extremely limited market. They simply have hit the point of market saturation and are not willing to make the investment to spread out. They shut down and bite their time. | | | |
overwings (3631)
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3 years ago
| | Well a crisis like this is definitely the right moment to pay more attention to other sources of energy. In my country wind energy had peaks this winter of 25% though on average it covers at least 12%. | | | |
hornswaggled (2074)
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3 years ago
| | I agree with you as fas as the alternative energy goes...we have wind turbines that are supposed to be going up around our area and the company was turned down by the feds on it last year...we are still waiting on this coming year. But I don't believe and I think a lot of others don't believe that we are in dire straits with the amount of oil we have in America. I think that's a smoke screen made up of liberals and big oil companies trying to get what they want. I will say that we can cut down on production and would be a good thing for a lot of business but their are some businesses that simply cannot run on alternative fuel/energy. We have to up production for them alone... | | | |
Ruthep (7334)
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3 years ago
| | I agree with you jonesy123. I have nothing more I could add to what you have said. | | | |
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6. Chiang_Mai_boy (1773)
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3 years ago
| | It is a simple question of economics. If it costs more to produce a barrel of oil than you can sell it for the only logical decision is to turn of the pump. The oil market is probably the most globalized market there is. All the talk of freeing the USA of dependence on foreign oil is political. The reality is that the USA can never produce enough oil to meet it's needs. The only realistic way for the USA to free it's self from dependence on foreign oil is to develop alternative energy sources to replace the demand for oil. | | | | | | |
hornswaggled (2074)
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3 years ago
| | Actually Alaska has enough oil to last decades underneath it's surface and we have tons of the stuff off shore...it is politcal in the sense that people don't really want us to be independent .....they just spout crap like that to make us think that they are trying to be a part of the solution and not part of the problem... | | | |
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7. overwings (3631)
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3 years ago
| | It is not only there for what I read today in the news. New drilling investments are stopping everywhere (I heard news about northern Africa) as they6 are not profitable with such low oil and natural gas prices. Once it becomes more expensive they will start again. The problem is that might have another bottle neck once the demand increases again if the production is not enough, making prices grow too fast. That seems to be what will happen in the near future. | | | | | | |
hornswaggled (2074)
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3 years ago
| | This still doesn't make sense....if people really want oil then there should be a way to subsidize or help us to get more oil. I don't think it's that it's so expensive to produce but that the rich aren't as rich as they used to be. | | | |
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hornswaggled (2074)
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3 years ago
| | As usual Destiny you made my day....but maybe it's just the "other" little discussion we are on that is making us both crazy? I love it when you are your outragious you....thanks for the smile my friend!!! | | | |
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9. Darkwing (7548)
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3 years ago
| | I think that shutting down sales is going to harm them more than others in the long run because naturally, trade will go to foreign producers. Once that happens, I doubt the wells that have closed will ever manage to recover the business they previously enjoyed, and thus, will lose out from their closures. I know it seems like the right thing to do amidst an economy crisis, but I feel that a little bit of forward planning and calculating would benefit them here. Brightest Blessings my friend. | | | | | | |
hornswaggled (2074)
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3 years ago
| | I believe your totally right...we need to look ahead instead of living hand to mouth so to speak. We just keep digging a deeper and deeper problem here in the US and it's only going to get worse! | | | |
Darkwing (7548)
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3 years ago
| | I think half the time, that people just don't stop and think things out in their busy, busy lives. Time to sit down and assess these things, methinks. | | | |
hornswaggled (2074)
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3 years ago
| | Isn't that the truth?! If people would just slow up even a little I think they'd find that their world doesn't have to be so harried and hassled.... | | | |
Darkwing (7548)
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3 years ago
| | Quite right but I think nowadays, people get to panicked and stressed, unlike years ago, when they just more or less took things in their stride and as they reared their heads. | | | |
hornswaggled (2074)
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3 years ago
| | Well for one thing we haven't lived in a war in our countries for a very long time. And without that direct kind of hardship I don't think people feel like they can put things into perspective as well...you know like it was in America in the 30's when we had the dust bowl. Everyone was in it and it affected everyone so they all just worked together to get through it and it made them appreciate the little things and it helped them to learn to do without...to take care of themselves. | | | |
Darkwing (7548)
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3 years ago
| | Yes, you're right! I remember how long after the Second WW rationing went on here. It was a treat to have something other than jam on our bread at times. lol. It did make us appreciate what we had though. | | | |
hornswaggled (2074)
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3 years ago
| | Exactly! I think even my generation didn't have to work as hard as our parents and I would venture to guess that most kids wouldn't have a clue how to live the life we had as kids.... | | | |
Darkwing (7548)
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3 years ago
| | No, I guess they wouldn't. They have everything so easy and don't realise what their forefathers went through to give them that status in life, but I guess if those times were to return, people would have to learn to adjust and adapt, just the same as they did in those days. | | | |
hornswaggled (2074)
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3 years ago
| | That's true...we haven't given them the tools but the human spirit will prevail and they would learn...they may have to sooner than they'd like too. I heard the other day that their are a lot of people in the world think that the problems here in the US are going to go worldwide with devastation everywhere...sounds a little out there for me but you never know! | | | |
Darkwing (7548)
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3 years ago
| | We already have the problems here my friend, and I think possibly several other countries do too. | | | |
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10. MsTickle (12895)
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3 years ago
| | It costs money to drill for, contain and transport oil. There are rents, wages, maintenance of assets, insurance, taxes,.......get the pictur?e...the costs seem almost endless and there will be more than I can think of. The oil has to be sold at a profit in order for it to be viable to bring it out of the ground and it sounds like that viability is not there if they are laying off staff....staff are also the first to go...it's not just their wages but also their taxes and any benefits they get. Take home pay is only a part of a workers earnings as you know. The total sends the cost to the company soaring. They might pay a bit more for oil from elsewhere but it is not costing them so much to get it. | | | | | | |
hornswaggled (2074)
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3 years ago
| | But that still doesn't make sense. If we need to be free of other countries we need to find a way to make this work. Why couldn't we subsidize this business so that we could profit from the oil we have? If stands to reason that we keep talking about other ways of energy but we can't really be free of all oil. It has too many uses. I don't mean we should all be driving SUV's but some people like farmers and truckers need oil for their business..... | | | |
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