Finding info on someone who cant be found  | | Ok, I need some advice, suggestions, clues, something. I have been given the title of 'chairperson of the historic preservation board' in my town. My first project is to clean up and research an old city cemetery here in town. Over the years, we've had flooding problems and alot of the headstones have been washed away, leaving alot of graves unmarked. I'm researching a few names that I have already BUT there is one person whom I can NOT find any info on anywhere!!! I have googled her name, used yahoo, mamma, every search engine I can think plus the missouri death certificate index on the web. She is nowhere to be found! Her headstone is still in the cemetery but has washed off of its foundation and broken into 3 pieces. The only hint I have is that the family must have been poor as her headstone is handmade and has the letter and numbers on it (for her info) that you would use on your house. The info on the broken headstone is: Josie Taylor, Died 1-28-1949. On the base of the headstone, etched into the concrete with what appears to have been a nail, it says 'stone made in 1950'. I just cant seem to find anything on her at all and I've been searching 'Josie and Josephine'. I've also read just about every Taylor death certificate on the Missouri website and cannot find any who were buried in the Valley Park City Cemetery. How do you find people who are impossible to find? Do you think she could have been buried there illegally, like after midnight when no one would see her being buried? Granted, it is an old unkept cemetery and all the headstones are handmade. Kind of gives one a creepy feeling being there, but I'm on a mission here to find out about her. Any hints or clues??? I would surely appreciate it! Thanks!
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| | | | | | | | 1. jazzsue58 (1008) | 7 months ago | Sorry I can't be of much help here - maybe check local church records? If she was buried with a headstone it must have been recorded - at least, it would be in the UK. The local registrar of births marriages and deaths may have a copy of the death certificate.
What a fascinating job!
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4pawsx4 (712) | 7 months ago | fascinating and frustrating both at the same time! since this is a city cemetery, not affiliated with any church, well, none of the church's here have any records pertaining to that cemetery plus too, they dont have a record of her at all. she was buried with a headstone, but, the headstone was homemade/handmade by someone and placed out there a year later. i'm just about to the point where my own thoughts are that they buried her out there late at night to avoid funeral costs.
the city hall has no record of her and if they did, the records were destroyed in previous years floods. the st. louis genealogy society have the same names i have which i got off of an old cemetery map from back int the 1920's? nope, no death certificate exists for a josie or josephine taylor. all the death certificates from 1910 to 1958 are available online and there's nothing found there either. trust me, i've looked everywhere possible and hit a brick wall every darn time!!! the fascination and challenge keeps me going on this project though. i love it! thanks for the suggestions!
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| | 2. 3SnuggleBunnies (3357) | 7 months ago | Hmmm...... No idea exactly. She more than likely wouldn't be in the SSDI as by that point in time most women didn't work so they didn't have a SSN. She could of been a still born? Or a home birth? Or died in infantcy? Maybe she was from another area and perhaps a next of kin had her put there? Was there a grouping of similar names around where her stone was? Perhaps that's a realtion to research into? You know say, she was a neice or whomever they raised and had her buried near their family plots? Could Taylor be her maiden name, so perhaps in a marriage certificate/ church records she could be found?
Don't these lil mysteries keep one guessing?
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3SnuggleBunnies (3357) | 7 months ago | Oh here's a lil bit I dunno that it means much but it could be a clue perhaps?
http://www.familysearch.org/
there is a Josie Taylor b.1849 d. bef 1949 m. bef 1873 to Robert Taylor b.1846 d.bef 1946 in MO. Perhaps there would be more records @ your local LDS research facility?
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4pawsx4 (712) | 7 months ago | snuggle!!! you know what? after posting this discussion, i started getting mad over the fact that this woman was nowhere to be found anywhere and that i'd been looking for her for forever with no luck! after 'copping' an attitude, i went back into the missouri death certificate lists and pulled up every josie, no last name, who died in 1949. nothing. pulled up every smith who died in 1949, again nothing. (temper is flaring now!) pulled up every josephine who died in 1949, BINGO! FINALLY, I FOUND HER! now, heres where it gets stupid. her name is really josephine smith, the informant was a fred taylor. she was a widow when she died, so her husband has to have been a smith. why the person who made the homemade headstone and put taylor on it is beyond me! all the rest of the information matches what i have as far as the date of death. out of curiousity, i went into rootsweb and saw where someone was talking about a josie taylor who was in trouble with the law in arkansas (my josie was born in black rock, ark) for selling booze i think it said. i'm wondering if its the same one, so i posted out there asking for info on josie taylor. i'll see if i get any 'bites' or not. thanks for that website. i found that my luck hasnt changed a bit. i couldnt find any info on her on that site just like i've never found too much if any info on my family. i get the feeling though that the missing family members must have been born and then buried under a rock! LOL!
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3SnuggleBunnies (3357) | 7 months ago | That is a mystery as to why they used the informants last name. However, how long was it between her & her husbands death? There could of been a possible common law marriage after she had been widowed? Or it was just an error plain and simple.
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4pawsx4 (712) | 7 months ago | i found her. date of birth 3-18-1876. given name 'josephine', last name 'smith' but the headstone says taylor. i'm confused as to why they put the wrong last name on it!!!!!! oh well, at least my searching for her is over with!! onward to the next challenge! LOL!
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| | 4. carolbee (6724) | 7 months ago | Good luck. Taylor is a common name. Do you have her maiden name by chance? Have you tried any of the search sites that charge per month or per search? Might be worth it to complete your mission. Sounds very interesting.
Wishing You Much success, carolbee
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4pawsx4 (712) | 6 months ago | OH TAYLOR IS A COMMON NAME FOR SURE! actually i did find her, her married name is smith, yet another way too common name. i did a search in the death records for any josie or josephine who died in the year on her stone. went through all of them and found her. apparently 'taylor' was her caretaker in her elderly years since she was a widow and when he made her stone, he put HIS last name on it instead of her married name! (if i could find him, i'd strangle him!!) so my mystery is solved!!
sorry for the slow response. charter has been giving me fits, i keep losing my connection to the internet. its been going on for a month now. monday they either fix it right or they can take their equipment when they leave, modem, cable tv box, everything!!
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