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myLot reputation of 97/100. celticeagle (4820)   ranked 44 out of 164 in child abuse7 months ago

I am wondering if child abuse has always been rather prevalant in this country and we just have the media make it seem more so than afew decades ago? Ofcourse there are more people in the US now days. But is it about the same? Do you think that adults that do this to children are conditioned from childhood or do conditions make the situation happen? And, do you think that we are becoming desensitized to it by the media? I tend to turn the channel sometimes just because the stories are so prevalant and so sorted. Sometimes I can handle it and sometimes I just can't listen to another one. What are your thoughts?

 
 
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1. myLot reputation of 94/100. Lakota12 (17185)   ranked 62 out of 164 in child abuse   7 months ago

SOmetimes I think the media over does it but I too get off the newss Channels just so I dont hear any more.
and I beleive some of it does come from thier child hood!


myLot reputation of 50/100. Anora_Eldorath (2605)   ranked 162 out of 164 in child abuse  7 months ago

I do agree that the media does tend to over do quite a few things. I take news sabbats from time to time when I just can't handle anymore, and they do my soul good. Namaste-Anora


myLot reputation of 97/100. celticeagle (4820)   ranked 44 out of 164 in child abuse  7 months ago

Ya, it just becomes too much at times. One right after another sometimes.

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2. myLot reputation of 100/100. JenInTN (3725)   ranked 58 out of 164 in child abuse   7 months ago

I think that child abuse is definatley more covered now than ever before. Changing laws and tougher penalties make for a better news story I guess. I can't handle many stories about child abuse..it tears my heart out. And movies..no way. My friends at work are reading a book a guy wrote about his own childhood and I don't think I could make it through the first chapter. I think it is called " The boy named IT...oh..it's terrible. As far as the adults that abuse children...I have no clue what makes them do what they do. I look at my children and all I want to do is protect them. I can't begin to understand and don't want to. I know that everytime I see a terrible story about an abused child..it makes me hold mine a little tighter.


myLot reputation of 92/100. Irishfrndly65 (7435)  7 months ago

Oh Jen, I'm glad I read this as I was thinking of reading that book. I think, now, I'll refrain. I don't think I could handle it. Thanks.


myLot reputation of 50/100. Anora_Eldorath (2605)   ranked 162 out of 164 in child abuse  7 months ago

Jen-

I've had several students read that book for reports, and each time I have to read through them I just cry. It's such a sad tale, and we have to remember that there are many like that who miss the system, don't get reported, and sadly die from those conditions. Though we hear quite a bit about some of the child abuse, there are other forms of abuse that go almost unknown and do far more damage. Just the other day we heard a dad tell his son in the store "Guess you'll never be a stocker will you". The kid was like 2 or so and knocked something off a shelf at the local store. Sure, to many it seems like an off comment, yet to that child it is emotional abuse and is setting up a pattern for later in life of low self-esteem and self-worth.

Namaste-Anora


myLot reputation of 97/100. celticeagle (4820)   ranked 44 out of 164 in child abuse  7 months ago

Funny you should mention this book. It is one I try to bring to people's attention. Did you know it is a trilogy? Second one is about his troubled teen years and then the last one is about the man he became. Good reading. Ya, it really brings it home doesn't it?


myLot reputation of 100/100. JenInTN (3725)   ranked 58 out of 164 in child abuse  7 months ago

I did know it was a trilogy. I know it is a inspiring story but I have trouble with the first book. It just rips my heart out to think of that little boy.

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3. myLot reputation of 93/100. TLChimes (1654)   ranked 156 out of 164 in child abuse   7 months ago

Nope... I'm so not desensitized. Maybe others are but not me.

I think we hear of it more and it's definition has changed over the years.

Before a lot of bad guys got away with it because what went on behind closed doors stayed behind closed doors. I do think mothers aren't as caring as they once were and since dad's aren't around as much as they were once, Mothers are becoming real B I T C H es.

A while back, mothers went to work, that changed things and so young girls aren't getting the same dynamic and training that they once were. Some aren't getting that tender side we woman are known for.


myLot reputation of 50/100. Anora_Eldorath (2605)   ranked 162 out of 164 in child abuse  7 months ago

I do agree that media has done a lot to bring it out of the closed doors, and we're empowering people today to speak up. However, I disagree that mothers are less caring then they once were, and that dads are around less. We're finding a switch in dads today. A great many have taken to working less hours to spend time with family, and even those who work from home as to be there for their children. Since we left the hunter ages, dads are much more able in our current society to enjoy more time with their family and less time in the office. And as a mother I really do think that we are not less caring. Even though mothers now are able to leave the home and work if they so choose, that doesn't mean young girls or even young boys are not getting the upbringing they need. Most working mothers I know would take offense at that statement, because they do a wonderful job of balancing both lives, and their daughters learn to become independent critical thinkers. And most mothers today (save the abusers) are giving their children the tender side of things. And I think many fathers are now beginning to share that with their sons. I know my own husband spends equal time with both our son and daughter, and he focuses quite a bit on the emotional intelligence of our children, and works on developing their empathy muscles. (The "tender side" of things).

I think the way to end abuse is to recognize it, educate about it, and educate those parents who may be abusers on how to cope with life. Just recently our news station did a special on how the economy was showing a rise in child abuse cases, from very average white collar middle income families. The loss of a job, etc was leading to tense times, and these parents did not have the coping skills necessary to deal with the stress, and children as well. The parents interviewed on the show were now in classes helping them to learn how to cope with children during times of stress. I think this could benefit parents up front so they could learn how to avoid abuse.

Namaste-Anora


myLot reputation of 93/100. TLChimes (1654)   ranked 156 out of 164 in child abuse  7 months ago

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myLot reputation of 50/100. Anora_Eldorath (2605)   ranked 162 out of 164 in child abuse  7 months ago

I do think mothers aren't as caring as they once were and since dad's aren't around as much as they were once, Mothers are becoming real B I T C H es.

That is what was written in your original response, I don't think I read it wrong. It just seems you've now given slightly more contemplation to the situation, yet still believe we are somehow less caring as mothers, and that fathers spend less time at home. In times past fathers were not even around very often. They were off hunting (in early days), off at the office in later generations, and only in the past 5 years or so have we've seen a market change in more dads trying to work from their home in order to spend more time raising their children, or working less hours. Mothers do work, some out of necessity and others out of desire, but they do balance and those sons and daughters are still being raised to be tender.

I think what was written prior is a gross over-simplification of the issue. I agreed that media has a lot to do with the coverage, and I agree that education is the solution. To say broken homes is the only cause is to say that every single parent out there is an abuser, and that is a misleading statement.

I do hope, as others have said already that this issue is soon healed in our nation.

Namaste-Anora


myLot reputation of 93/100. TLChimes (1654)   ranked 156 out of 164 in child abuse  7 months ago

I never said ALL parents in my description of mothers and fathers... I never said the decline in families was the ONLY reason... Mothers like Casey Anthony, that chick who killed her son twice, the one who killed her four year old off the bridge... they are just all kinds of wonderful. Mothers like them are becoming real in your face with out argument B I T c h ES.

The rise in killer mothers happened AFTER homes were able to be split easier and less time was spent at home. I can't say that that was all it was but it sure in heck played a part in it.

Fathers that aren't with mothers are spending less time with kids...

Here's some info and there sources...

The Rising Statistics of Divorce and Children

1. Half of all American children will witness the breakup of a parent's marriage. Of these, close to half will also see the breakup of a parent's second marriage.
(Furstenberg, Peterson, Nord, and Zill, Life Course)

2. Among the millions of children who have seen their parents divorce, one of every 10 will also live through three or more parental marriage breakups.
(The Abolition of Marriage, Gallagher)

3. Forty percent of children growing up in America today are being raised without their fathers. (Wade, Horn and Busy, Fathers, Marriage and Welfare Reform Hudson Institute Executive Briefing, 1997)

4. Of all children born to married parents this year, fifty percent will experience the divorce of their parents before they reach their 18th birthday.
(Fagan, Fitzgerald, Rector, The Effects of Divorce On America)


The EMOTIONALLY Damaging Effect - Statistics of divorce and children


5. Studies in the early 1980's showed that children in repeat divorces earned lower grades and their peers rated them as less pleasant to be around.
(Andrew J. Cherlin, Marriage, Divorce, Remarriage -Harvard University Press 1981)

6. Teenagers in single-parent families and in blended families are three times more likely to need psychological help within a given year.
(Peter Hill Recent Advances in Selected Aspects of Adolescent Development Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry 1993)

7. Compared to children from homes disrupted by death, children from divorced homes have more psychological problems.
(Robert E. Emery, Marriage, Divorce and Children's Adjustment Sage Publications, 1988)

These statistics about children and divorce are pretty shocking aren't they? The DEATH of a parent is LESS devastating to a child than a DIVORCE. (Even I wouldn't believe this if I didn't see the statistic myself.)


The PHYSICALLY Damaging Effects - Statistics of divorce and children

8. Children of divorce are at a greater risk to experience injury, asthma, headaches and speech defects than children whose parents have remained married.
(Dawson, Family Structure and Children's Health and Well Being National Health Interview Survey on Child Health, Journal of Marriage and the Family)

9. Following divorce, children are fifty percent more likely to develop health problems than two parent families.
(Angel, Worobey, Single Motherhood and Children's Health)

10. Children living with both biological parents are 20 to 35 percent more physically healthy than children from broken homes.
(Dawson, Family Structure and Children's Health and Well-being Journal of Marriage and the Family)

Now about those working moms...

Have you ever hired a sitter that you thought was wonderful, only to find out that they left your baby in a soiled diaper, forgot to feed them, spanked them too much, or other not motherly thing?

Working mom's can have all the love in the world but if they HAVE to work they can't be full time mom's and someone else is doing the nurturing for those hours... that can just be where the issue lies. How many cases of bad sitters have you heard about?

And where did the term latch key kid from?

And do you remember that mom's used to be home to make snacks for kids? Time changed.

I'm not blaming them in any way.... They have to do the best they can with what they have.

You read what you wanted to in my simple statement .... dad's are around less and mothers are getting to be b i t ch e s and part of the problem is that they are raised by folks other then loving mothers for a good part of their days.

You and I have both stated our thinking on this.... I'm not thinking we will agree. Go in peace.

Be well.


myLot reputation of 97/100. celticeagle (4820)   ranked 44 out of 164 in child abuse  7 months ago

WOW! I so agree. What ever happened to the Waltons kind of life? The tender side seems to be gone. Some of the things young girls do in school now days is very alarming.


myLot reputation of 50/100. Anora_Eldorath (2605)   ranked 162 out of 164 in child abuse  7 months ago

TL-You implied all parents with your statement, thank you for clarifying you only meant abusive parents.

CE-I know the feeling. I often wonder if the Waltons though truly existed, because even my grandfather never had a life like that. Life was difficult during the depression and he often spoke about how hard his father worked, etc. I think we need to keep in mind what we see in movies as the perfect family life, is just that-fiction. All families over the generations have had issues and there was really no "Leave it to Beaver". I'm not saying we cannot strive for perfect lives, but we must not get too caught in the fantasy and forget that real life does occur, and can occur without the abuse.

Namaste-Anora

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4. myLot reputation of 93/100. winterose (17804)   ranked 91 out of 164 in child abuse   7 months ago

if you study history you will see that child abuse has been around in every country since time began, but it was not always considered child abuse. Different generations have different notions on how to treat children. In the 19th century there were work houses and factories where kids as young as six years old worked along side and adult and did as much as an adult. It was not considered child abuse, it was normal, in fact children were considered little adults.

In the 1950's you heard the expression spare the rod and spoil the child. Spanking were commmon form of punishment for children and it was accepted by society, it was also frowned upon if a parent didn't chastise a child that way. Today try doing that and you lose your kids.


myLot reputation of 50/100. Anora_Eldorath (2605)   ranked 162 out of 164 in child abuse  7 months ago

Rose-

So true. I think it's that because of media we're hearing more than we did years ago. During the 1800's women were told to put up and shut up, essentially. Portrait of a Lady comes to mind in terms of some of the abuse women went through. And even Dr. Spock later said his "don't spank rule" wasn't all that productive. Balance is key to raising children, though abuse of any form is never the answer.

Namaste-Anora


myLot reputation of 97/100. celticeagle (4820)   ranked 44 out of 164 in child abuse  7 months ago

Oh yes, I sure have. I understand that. I just wondered if you thought the media had opened the door and make it seem more prevalent than it really is.

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5. myLot reputation of 60/100. xoxcharityxox (572)   7 months ago

Honestly from older people I know who have been abused as children I'd say that now it's taken care if in a more effective and better manner then it used to be. A lady I know who is 60 years old was raped by her father growing up, beaten, caught a man murdering her friend, and it took 12 years for them to even put her father in jail. They used to turn thier heads to what happened inside people's homes. now they do what they can to protect children and anyone else who is harmed. I think it's gotten a lot better over the years. We just like you said have more media outlets and more knowledge of what is happening around us. I can't say whether or not people are desensitized to it because I know it still gets to me anytime I hear of someone being harmed.


myLot reputation of 50/100. Anora_Eldorath (2605)   ranked 162 out of 164 in child abuse  7 months ago

Charity-

What's sad today is that so much abuse goes unnoticed because it is not physical. Not that I condone any abuse, but emotional abuse is much more subversive, much more damaging, and takes much longer to recover from. I'm sorry the woman you know went through all of that. I do feel our laws are not as they should be were abuse is concerned.

Namaste-Anora


myLot reputation of 97/100. celticeagle (4820)   ranked 44 out of 164 in child abuse  7 months ago

It is a sad state of affairs. I agree with you. I think the media makes it all more of a nightmare than it was originally.

 
6. myLot reputation of 50/100. Anora_Eldorath (2605)   ranked 162 out of 164 in child abuse   7 months ago

CE-

I really think that it's just more publicized. We have much more local voices now in concern for child abuse, it hits the media quicker, and we're much more mobile (technologically speaking) then we were let's say one hundred years ago.

I don't think we're becoming desensitized to child abuse, but I do think we still need to do more to help parents and children. Far too often those who were abused later become abusers because they do not learn the coping skills for life to be healthy. Therefore, when life pressures strike, they may fall back on what they learned growing up. I think that education truly helps with this, and is the best way to combat child abuse.

I can understand about not wanting to hear about another sad case, for I often feel the same way. I often do not understand how anyone could hurt a child. And it is not that I do not care, it is that I care so much that I want to run and rescue every child out there and I realize that I cannot.

Namaste-Anora


myLot reputation of 97/100. celticeagle (4820)   ranked 44 out of 164 in child abuse  7 months ago

I so agree. I just don't listen to the news some days. Just not strong enough to hear about it. We are having rapes on our green belt here right now. A picture of the guy and everything and they still can't find him. I hate it. I love the greenbelt and am paranoid now.


myLot reputation of 50/100. Anora_Eldorath (2605)   ranked 162 out of 164 in child abuse  7 months ago

Even my husband feels that the media at times produces fear that is unwarranted. For example, we had an escaped convict in the area a month ago and they made it sound as if he was breaking and entering every house under the sun. The reality was, he was just running and they caught him running, not breaking and entering. The media has a way of making us paranoid, and that we cannot allow. We must live our lives freely, even it we may be cautious if that makes sense. Namaste-Anora

 
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