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myLot reputation of 81/100. hiccup (6438)   ranked 3 out of 178 in australia5 months ago

Of late Australia has been getting a lot of BAD PRESS that we are Racist people.

Many have heard about the Raw Deal that some Indian Students are getting here.

(by the way this is another Cultural Group who are doing the attacks.)

Me, I'm what you would call a WHITE MAN, who comes from a place many will never Visit due to the distance one has to go to get here (travel), (Australia.)

Many think I speak funny even though it is English, and maybe my Cloths are different, and yes there is Food I eat here that many would find different and may wonder how I can eat it.

If I was to Travel deep into China, India, or into the Jungles of Africa, Many of the locals would never have seen a WHITE MAN let alone an Australian.

These people would point at me, make funny faces, I would be something they would stare at.The Children would most likely hide and peep around the corner at me.

Why because I am different, I would not find this to be rude or RACIST.
Nor would I complain that this was happening to me.

So why is it when we get people from different Cultures and beliefs here in Australia, We are called Racist, when many do the same as those from over seas in the lands I have spoke of.

What I do find here in my Country is that many who come here to live also bring their problems from the old Country and their HATES and they show it here, Instead of the new life they continue to be that same as at home in the OLD COUNTRY.

Do you see this in your live and in your towns when people from overseas come to live.

Do they mix in with all of us or stay in their little groups and do not mix with the locals.

I have put my thoughts to this discussion and I would like to know how you see things where you live and when you travel do these things happen to you.

Do you think it is racist or is it the People are only interested in WHO YOU ARE and trying to UNDERSTAND YOU BETTER,

That is why the look at you.

HICCUP/

 
 
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tags:  racism, australia, racist, indian, racist attacks
 
1. myLot reputation of 62/100. Maggiepie (1235)   ranked 11 out of 178 in australia   5 months ago

I hear you, Hiccup, & I agree. And yes, it happens here, as well. What really chaps my hide is when illegal aliens come here & aren't content to leave in their old country the ideas & behaviours that made them do so badly & made them want to leave their rotten country to begin with, but continue the same mistakes here, refusing even to learn the common language. WORSE, they actually start marching in the streets HERE waving their OLD country's flag, burning ours, & demanding WE accommodate THEIR OLD COUNTRY & the ways they lived where they were so abused! Huh??

The GALL!

Maggiepie


myLot reputation of 81/100. hiccup (6438)   ranked 3 out of 178 in australia  5 months ago

I'm fed up to the back teeth, in people who are Guests in my Country telling me we are RACIST.

They live here under the same law as I do, They have the same Freedom as I do.

If they spoke out in the OLD COUNTRY like they do in (MY)the NEW Country, They would be SHOT DEAD. and no compensation.

They receive a FREEDOM that cost my Family BLOOD, and they get it for FREE, HOW DARE THEY COMDEM the Country who took them in and protects them.

And many get Government hand outs to help them in "THEIR NEW LAND".
Something I do not receive, But I PAY TAX for.

I am not RACIST, but I do like People to have manners, "When in ROME do as the ROMANS do", I wonder if they ever heard that.

HICCUP/


myLot reputation of 62/100. Maggiepie (1235)   ranked 11 out of 178 in australia  5 months ago

Hey, no argument from me! LOL! We Americans know all about how illegals abuse the system, then drop the "racist" term if we object! Grrr... But I know I'm not a racist, so it has no effect on me giving out my opinion!

Don't know a lot about Australia, especially recent history; I can only speak for my own country. Still, I must say, it sounds all too familiar.

Good luck fighting back.

Maggiepie


myLot reputation of 81/100. hiccup (6438)   ranked 3 out of 178 in australia  5 months ago

Alls OK,thumbup


myLot reputation of 62/100. Maggiepie (1235)   ranked 11 out of 178 in australia  5 months ago

Wow, Hiccup! I get a Best Response AND a job all in one week! MAKE my day, why doncha? LOL! Thanks!

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2. myLot reputation of 91/100. tuyakiki (1294)   ranked 88 out of 178 in australia   5 months ago

Australia is not a safer place now,specially for the people who are from Asian origin and are specially from Indian subcontinent.. Plenty of innocent Indian students are attacked severely by the Australian people.And some of them are unconscious still in the hospitals...There are almost 40 cases that are reported in the past few weeks.


myLot reputation of 81/100. hiccup (6438)   ranked 3 out of 178 in australia  5 months ago

YOU are wrong and people like you should research what they say and do not take it on HEAR SAY.

Indian Students are being attacked by a Certain Culture, They like the Indian Students are Guests in this Country.

What has happened old customs and hates have been brought in by these people.

SO< PLEASE DO NOT LABEL ALL AUSTRALIANS under you verbal abuse.

People who have never been here or have been here 5 minutes are so Learned about Australia.Customs and Cultures and beliefs.


myLot reputation of 81/100. hiccup (6438)   ranked 3 out of 178 in australia  5 months ago

You are making this comment from INDIA,

SO, WHAT WOULD YOU KNOW OTHER THAN THE COMMERCIAL TV NEWS.

MAYBE YOU SHOULD COME OVER I'LL PUT YOU UP AND YOU CAN SEE THIS FIRST HAND WHO ARE AT FAULT.

Old customs, old baggage,old hates from the OLD COUNTRY is the Problem.
By two Groups pf People.

Both have been fighting each other (in the old Country) for over a 1000 years,

So, Miss, that is where the hate began, not in Australia,

HICCUP/


myLot reputation of 91/100. tuyakiki (1294)   ranked 88 out of 178 in australia  5 months ago

Hey!! What do you mean??
Your statement are raising some questions....

Do you think those Indians students are responsible for their attacks??? Do you think,they are raging war in a nation which it almost unknown them?? So who are these guys who attacked these students when they are traveling by a train or bus??Why these guys are getting arrested??I have heard the authorities have no answer....May be the news are wrong. confused
Is it possible for these students to involve into a confrontation with these local white people without knowing what they could do???Do you think all 40 of them are involved including some female students???


myLot reputation of 91/100. tuyakiki (1294)   ranked 88 out of 178 in australia  5 months ago

*not getting arrested...


myLot reputation of 81/100. hiccup (6438)   ranked 3 out of 178 in australia  5 months ago

Some one has used the term WHITE, get it right it was not WHITES,

These other PEOPLE are about the same colour as Indian people.And come from the same regions as Indian people.

It is not a white/black thing.

Its a Culture FIGHT that has been with Indian people for over a 1000 years.

Indian and the other Group brought it with them when they came to Australia.

Shame "you both" cant take your "DAMM " fight back home We don't need it here.

HICCUP/


myLot reputation of 81/100. hiccup (6438)   ranked 3 out of 178 in australia  5 months ago


Like I said, It's not Whites who are the trouble for the Indian Students.

HICCUP/



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myLot reputation of 92/100. tutul0045 (1233)   ranked 91 out of 178 in australia  5 months ago

Well don’t be so lenient towards your own Government. Just like Indians go to Australia for better education, Australian government invites foreign students for the hefty fees they charge to them. If u check the figures it really boosts the Australian economy.
So the facilities u are enjoying from your government has a strong connections with the money invested by the abroad students studying there. Be aware of that!

Cheers,
Tutul


myLot reputation of 90/100. krajibg (2435)   ranked 30 out of 178 in australia  5 months ago

Well what is the exact difference between 'white' and 'whites' when referred to people living in a country. That Indian and other Asian students were mishandled there and you want to say it was done by a 'white guy' a single individual is so strong in your country? And 'Whites' includes all the whites and Indians are not white. This is a shame that even today we make issues on white and non white.

I understand your point but all would not.


myLot reputation of 91/100. tuyakiki (1294)   ranked 88 out of 178 in australia  5 months ago

I appreciate you post tutul.............Those fees are real high.....


myLot reputation of 91/100. tuyakiki (1294)   ranked 88 out of 178 in australia  5 months ago

Hi Krajibg!!!!!!!!!!!!
A person who makes the difference between whites and non whites are certainly RACIST!!!If this feeling goes to a extreme point hatred and violence may occur. What do you think??? Its certainly a good point......


myLot reputation of 75/100. mike1976 (1104)   ranked 118 out of 178 in australia  5 months ago

'A person who makes the difference between whites and non whites is certainly RACIST!!!!!'

What sort of statement is that?

There is a difference of skin colour,I see the difference,am I RACIST!!!!!

Racism is a belief or ideology that all members of each racial group possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially to distinguish it as being either superior or inferior to another racial group or racial groups.

It certainly isn't racist to see a difference in skin colour.


myLot reputation of 91/100. tuyakiki (1294)   ranked 88 out of 178 in australia  5 months ago

Hi Mike!!!!
Minor racial feelings leads to major racial hatred afterwards.....Still today we are using this sort of terms for instance,'Whites'[ Read above discussions] which includes all the whites and that implies Indians are "non whites". This is a really a shameful and miserable thing that even today we make issues on the whites and non whites.
Don't you think,this feelings are racial feeling that is there in the minds of many people,which is the reason behind this violent attacks on innocent Indian student,who are boosting up the economy of a foreign nation....Isn't it there duty to provide them with proper security????


myLot reputation of 75/100. mike1976 (1104)   ranked 118 out of 178 in australia  5 months ago

You can sometimes see racism where none exist. My girlfriend is Indian and she isn't white,she's sort of a chocolate brown happy
'implies Indians are 'non whites'...well they aren't white.
These are factual statements that people choose to read a racist meaning into.
What the OP appears to be trying to say is that white Australians weren't responsible for these attacks on Indian students and it was Muslims.
I can't find any evidence to suggest these attacks were perpetrated by Muslims against Indians.
My point is simple.Indians aren't white.Am I racist? I will answer,no I'm not racist.You are making factual statements into racial issues which then take the focus from the real problem. Indian students were attacked for (the Australian authorities accept this) racially motivated reasons in many of the cases.
I read a few articles and it didn't appear to me to suggest Muslims were behind the attacks. The authorities say alot of attacks were due to the Indian students being out alone at night often with a laptop or travelling alone on trains.
I can see evidence of the attacks being racially motivated in the majority of the cases but not all.
Who cares what colour people are,when they are being attacked for their colour then that is racism.

 

myLot reputation of 75/100. mike1976 (1104)   ranked 118 out of 178 in australia  5 months ago

To be honest she's my ex now but not because she is Indian....she's just a b1tchw00t


myLot reputation of 92/100. parthasarathi (356)   ranked 160 out of 178 in australia  5 months ago

People I really hate this subject. Only way we can stop racism is not to talk about RACE or racist. STOP talking about it.


myLot reputation of 75/100. mike1976 (1104)   ranked 118 out of 178 in australia  5 months ago

Does not talking about a subject make it go away?


myLot reputation of 82/100. debrakcarey (1228)  4 months ago

I know very little about the particulars going on in Australia. I do know that here in America...it is very hard to be a white person now a days. What with illegal aliens getting government help and American born citizens going without and affirmative action giving minorities the advantage, it seems to me that white people are at a disadvantage more than anyone. This is not what Martin Luther King Jr.'s dream was, to uplift one race at the expense of another is still racism. It is my opinion that people need to see the problems experienced by cultural or racial differences as a HUMAN problem and stop trying to make it as if all white people are racists. I do know as the granddaughter of an American Indian...that true racism is to view someone of a different race as sub human and not worthy of humame treatment...when a black or brown person feels a white person is not worthy of respect this is racism too.

If it is Lebonese attacking Indians...why do the Indians feel it is Australians who are racist?

Like I said...I don't know the particulars. If I were to go to Australia...I would expect to have to adapt to their culture and ways...just as I would expect them to do if they visited me in my country. I am sure the Indian visitors to Australia would be offended if an Aussie came to their country and did not abide by their ways as well.
I will say that I know some Australians online...and one in particular goes to third world countries to build wells so villages will have clean water. He oversees a charitible foundation to do this. I have not heard any type of racism from any of the Aussies I know. They seem to be a rather progressive people.

There is good and bad in every cultural group, in every racial group. It is wrong to stereotype any one by the group they belong to, yes even if they're white.

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3. myLot reputation of 98/100. dragon54u (9197)   ranked 28 out of 178 in australia   5 months ago

I understand what you're saying. It's okay for just about any race but the Caucasians to express curiosity, alarm or trepidation about another culture. I've never understood this reverse racism. I think it's becoming a bit less prevalent here in the states but it still runs rampant.

We also have a problem with people immigrating here, legal and illegal, and refusing to assimilate or even learn the language. As a result, we now have mandatory bi-lingual classes, we print voter information in several languages. You have to be a citizen to vote and to be a citizen you have to know the language, so why do we need to do this?! We provide free interpreters in hospitals, courts, etc. and people can even sue if they don't get one. It's pretty bad. Whole sections of towns and cities are like slices of other countries where American language and culture is foreign. We don't even demand that anyone work here-American or not-because nearly anyone can get on the public dole.

A talk show host I listen to occasionally says that once a country gives up its language, culture and borders it loses it sovereignty. American has given it up without a fight.


myLot reputation of 81/100. hiccup (6438)   ranked 3 out of 178 in australia  5 months ago

You get some people who come into your Country as a Guests and then want to dictate the LAW as they want it with out considerations to any one else.

They bring with them TROUBLE and cause more when they are here,

Then they are rude to the Guest Country by blaming them for being Racist.

If they did not bring their problems with them to start with we would not have any of this trouble.

This Fight the Indian students are having is over a 1000 years old.

They need to get the story right.

HICCUP/


myLot reputation of 90/100. krajibg (2435)   ranked 30 out of 178 in australia  5 months ago

Hi Hiccup,"This Fight the Indian students are having is over a 1000 years old." this is too much an example of a hyperbole. Look friend I am not against the whites nor for the Indians who were highlighted by media recently and the demonstrators were brutally beaten by the men in uniform.
Now this the bare truth everybody would admit. Know why the term 'Australians' is used? Well did you watch the T20 World Cup when India the defending champion was ousted from the Super Eight level? And you know who was blamed for this defeat? It was the Captain Dhoni not others players. Similarly when such thing as most Asian students are reported being ill treated by may be a small minority the blame would go to Australia as a whole and the white skin. There is nothing you can do. Just like at the twilight of the Second World War when America dropped two Atom Bombs at Hiroshima and Nagasaki the was not smeared at the pilot but on the American mentality though I know only a few of the war mongers did this. I do not say that you are against the Asian students who are not as white as you but there are some who do and it becomes a duty of the Government to stop it at any cost for students from the Indian subcontinent and other Asian country earn a huge huge revenue for your Govt. And things never go one way.


myLot reputation of 90/100. krajibg (2435)   ranked 30 out of 178 in australia  5 months ago

there are some typos and dropped words. Please read at your convenience.


myLot reputation of 82/100. debrakcarey (1228)  4 months ago

Whoa! American war mongers? Perhaps your history books say that but mine say that Japan ATTACKED the USA...and was the aggressor against the Philipines and pacific Islanders as well.???

I lament the use of atomic weapons...and do not advocate war as a way to solve things...but facts are facts and the USA was not the agressor in WWII!


myLot reputation of 82/100. debrakcarey (1228)  4 months ago

Perfect example of reverse racism.

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4. myLot reputation of 98/100. muscles4me (8094)   ranked 14 out of 178 in australia   5 months ago

I have recently heard about alot of this on different political news stations. Alof of them were call in stations and the majority does NOT think Aussies are racist. What do they want to do arrive there(In Australia) and have all the Aussies change their habbits likes and dislikes to be like theirs. Sounds to me like these people invading your spaces are ungrateful and haeful. They should go home or get a score card and play by the new rules where they are now(Aistralia). I love USA. Hiccup loves Australiawubwubsurrender


myLot reputation of 81/100. hiccup (6438)   ranked 3 out of 178 in australia  5 months ago

The students are having a fight but what is being said that it's the WHITES, I can assure you it is not,

The Fight the Indian students are having is over a 1000Years old.

Its the old GANG fight from home, Theirs not ours.

But I suppose its easy to blame the WHITES again Who's Racist, we are being called whites, Looks like they do not understand Multi Culture living here in Australia.

HICCUP.

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5. myLot reputation of 97/100. GardenGerty (19874)   ranked 41 out of 178 in australia   5 months ago

Hiccup, people even do some of that when they move from state to state within our country.The new place is never considered as good as the old. I like what you are saying about they bring their OLD beliefs and problems to their new home, and it does not work out well. As far as staring and looking, I would also point out that I work with the adult disabled, who also get curious stares and comments. (They give a few themselves). It is human nature to be curious about the differences. Labels like "racists" are too easy to throw around.


myLot reputation of 81/100. hiccup (6438)   ranked 3 out of 178 in australia  5 months ago

I must agree with you on this one.

We have a Good Country here, But we have some fools in the last few years arrive and are Trouble, But I do hope in time we will sort them out and things will all go carm again.

HICCUP/


myLot reputation of 96/100. andresimp (338)   ranked 165 out of 178 in australia  5 months ago

i agree with garden gerty. Some people cannot adapt to the change when when they move to another state within the country. im an indian myself and i dont judge anyone without verifying the facts. it is true that people should adapt to the change. everything is different in a new country, people, culture, language, climate etc. so when people move there as a guest.. they should accept the change. "Be a Roman when you are in Rome". likewise, the australians(or be it any country) should not see their gustes as a different group of people. we are all human beings born with different skin colours and types.one day we all die, and go to soil. so why fight for skin colour and racism. if we learn to accept each other.. there wont be any ego and fights.

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6. myLot reputation of 99/100. ElicBxn (14787)   ranked 34 out of 178 in australia   5 months ago

I agree about people coming from other countries, but holding on tightly to the culture and beliefs they came from. Now, HONORING that culture is fine, but if you are in a new country, you need to respect the culture of it. This is why I get annoyed where my client lives that there are so many hispanics from Mexico and central America that seem to prefer to not mix with the mainstream culture in Austin.


myLot reputation of 81/100. hiccup (6438)   ranked 3 out of 178 in australia  5 months ago

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myLot reputation of 62/100. Maggiepie (1235)   ranked 11 out of 178 in australia  5 months ago

Yes, Elic, & as you are aware, I've repeatedly offered to teach them English, but apparently none of them care enough to give me a couple of hours a WEEK in which to do it! Go figure. glare

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7. myLot reputation of 80/100. jb78000 (1476)   ranked 49 out of 178 in australia   5 months ago

i'm a not quite white in the uk (i.e. i look just slightly foreign), i think it is natural for people to form groups and skin colour is a really easy way for people to decide what tribe they belong to. we don't really live in tribes anymore so you have to think before conforming to that instinct and its not easy. i have to stop myself before just thinking that because people have conservative attitude they're basically idiots. it's nonsense but so easy to think that way


myLot reputation of 81/100. hiccup (6438)   ranked 3 out of 178 in australia  5 months ago

I live near Melbourne and we have suburbs that I visit where I am the only white man in the street.

Do I feel safe, most times yes,I go about what I have to do and so do all the other people.

We shop and eat together, I see near every colour of person on the planet.

Only a small group make trouble, and they can be from anywhere.

But this is no different than any where else in any other City.

At the moment it seems the Indian student is have a Gang fight.

Thats what this is all about. Its not Australian Gangs but ones from back home ones.

HICCUP/

 
8. myLot reputation of 97/100. rosdimy (1874)   ranked 96 out of 178 in australia   5 months ago

Racist? I do not think that a person is a racist because he/she stares at another person of a different skin colour. As someone who had the opportunity to live in England for 8 years, I can relate to the issue of racism.
Over there I was mistaken as a Pakistani, an Indian, and a Chinese. All by locals who were quick to blame foreigners for the problems that were facing the country. They labelled people without further investigation.
At the same time there were locals who were not sure of where I came from, and they stared at me. I did not feel offended. Many posed the inevitable question, "Which country are you from?"I do not know the real reason for the initial attack, but I do know that one of those attacked said it was street violence, not a racist attack. I do understand that there are people who like to spread rumours and create strife. The same thing happened to Malaysia. In the city that I am living in the number of temples equals to or greater than the number of mosques. Yet there are people living in other countries who believe that the Indians are being victimised and marginalised. all the best,
ninja rosdimy


myLot reputation of 81/100. hiccup (6438)   ranked 3 out of 178 in australia  5 months ago

happy Your comment is well received .

Discussions and comments such as we have in myLot may make others understand better.

But I do not think we have many to worry about here as each seemed to have a comment that comes from some thought, and when you have good thinking people putting ideas and thoughts together only good can come from that.

HICCUP/

 
9. myLot reputation of 98/100. mentalward (4127)   ranked 1 out of 178 in australia   5 months ago

I've never heard of Australians being racist, although I'm sure there's racism there as there is anywhere else in the world. But, I'd NEVER say an entire country is racist! People are people. Some are good, some are bad. You like some, you don't like some.

I lived in a racist neighborhood before. Well, two neighborhoods, actually. The first was where I bought a house to renovate and sell. Those people were horribly racist against blacks. Another neighborhood I lived in was almost totally black and the majority of them were racist against whites. So, I've been on both sides, even though I've never been a racist person myself and always tried to get along with everyone, unless they were outwardly hostile toward me.

I see each person as an individual, never a color, religion, lifestyle or anything else. I wish everyone were like that.

 
10. myLot reputation of 89/100. candy2306 (471)   ranked 66 out of 178 in australia   5 months ago

Hello Hiccup, I was suprised myself to hear when I heard Australian are 'racist'! I have experience working with Australians for 3 whole years and I didn't smell any. However, the Indian students there are not able to identify their attackers and call them as Australians just because they are living there. I think people should understand that Australia is a multi-racial country just like how Malaysia(my homeland) is! Australian are no harm to anyone!

 
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