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Of late Australia has been getting a lot of BAD PRESS that we are Racist people.
Many have heard about the Raw Deal that some Indian Students are getting here.
(by the way this is another Cultural Group who are doing the attacks.)
Me, I'm what you would call a WHITE MAN, who comes from a place many will never Visit due to the distance one has to go to get here (travel), (Australia.)
Many think I speak funny even though it is English, and maybe my Cloths are different, and yes there is Food I eat here that many would find different and may wonder how I can eat it.
If I was to Travel deep into China, India, or into the Jungles of Africa, Many of the locals would never have seen a WHITE MAN let alone an Australian.
These people would point at me, make funny faces, I would be something they would stare at.The Children would most likely hide and peep around the corner at me.
Why because I am different, I would not find this to be rude or RACIST. Nor would I complain that this was happening to me.
So why is it when we get people from different Cultures and beliefs here in Australia, We are called Racist, when many do the same as those from over seas in the lands I have spoke of.
What I do find here in my Country is that many who come here to live also bring their problems from the old Country and their HATES and they show it here, Instead of the new life they continue to be that same as at home in the OLD COUNTRY.
Do you see this in your live and in your towns when people from overseas come to live.
Do they mix in with all of us or stay in their little groups and do not mix with the locals.
I have put my thoughts to this discussion and I would like to know how you see things where you live and when you travel do these things happen to you.
Do you think it is racist or is it the People are only interested in WHO YOU ARE and trying to UNDERSTAND YOU BETTER,
That is why the look at you.
HICCUP/
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11. tamarafireheart (12636) | 7 months ago | Hi hiccup,
oh yes, we get them too, but what I can't understand is why they are so agressive and thinks they own the country, and do as they please, they even give you dirty looks and they don't want to mix with you or be friendley, in certain towns here they have their own comumnities and god help if you are white and walk down the street, bear in mind this in England and why do they make us feel as though we are the foreigners?
Tamara
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12. kiran8 (1142) | 7 months ago | Hi hicup, There is a lot of truth in what you are saying. I agree with most of it. When we go to live in another country, we have to adopt to their ways and live their kind of life and not stand out like a sore thumb.Sitting here in India it is difficult for us to assess the situation in Australia, since what we tread is the Indian media reports which are bound to take the side of the students and I agree that there are two sides to an issue ...But what I do not like is the violence against the students, is it necessary to do that? and can one accept that? One of my relative was beaten up last year by a group of students who took his wallet, watch and camera and left him bleeding.All the while they kept calling him 'Indian pig, go back" -He is lucky to be alive and still has no clue as to why he was attacked, because he had many Australian friends and he never kept himself aloof...But again, at that time we thought that it was an isolated incident that can happen anywhere in the world and din't bother highlighting it....But I feel sorry to see such things happening repeatedly ..
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hiccup (6669) | 7 months ago | At the present it seems to be Lebanese Gangs doing the Bashing.
There is a report back at about item 2 or 3 comment. I have placed a link, This report comes from the ABC TV people you can trust them on their reports.
People in India think it is whites, maybe they do not understand Australia is a multi Culture Country.
This is not a Black and White thing it runs much deeper and We Australian do not like it.
It's bad habits from the only Country here, we do not need this as this is not who or what we are.
HICCUP/
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13. tutul0045 (1275) | 7 months ago | Hey, I know how u r feeling now. But U guys are realizing it becoz this time the media is bad mouthing your country and not any poor Asian or African country. Well I deal with westerners everyday in my office and I admit that I get to learn so many good things from them. But the thing which I hate abt them is they don’t hesitate for a second bad mouthing my own country ( India ). Now India is a multi cultural country as well. How many times u have heard a foreigner saying that It wasn’t India but a particular group in India with whom i had a tough time. They just abuse Indians as a whole. Now u tell me one thing how many Europeans adapted to Indian culture when they were here? Y this rule " when in Rome do as the Romans do " goes just for us? European countries colonized India for more than 150 years and they tortured us in every possible way. Right from making us their slave, torturing women and kids and so many other things but how many times u c admitting them that they were wrong?
The time has gone when one can simply escape becoz of his skin color. If u r wrong then its time to get punished and get the same treatment the way you guys treated us. Trust me I will break their nose the next time i c a foreigner misbehaving in my country becoz thats what their culture is, isn’t it?
Cheers, Tutul
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hiccup (6669) | 7 months ago | To start with it was not WHITES or Australians as you and others in INDIA like to put it with your loose mouth.
It was Gangs of Lebanese Youths giving the Indian Students Curry.
If you like please go back in comments and you will find a lead I have posted so you and others can read, It is by the ABC TV and Radio of Australia, These people you can trust with reports, if that matters to you.
Our Police have been working on the problem, but BIG MOUTHS KNOW ALLS let the mouth YAP, instead of reading and checking out reports to Who were the Abusers.
As for you statement about "Break their Nose" You are one we don not want here in Australia and I hope you never come.Because its people like you who just do not fit in and turn to Violence to, what you think will resolve the issue at hand.
Live in your small Village with the Other of you type with small brains.
We do have People from India who have lived here for over 40 years, They have no complaints and are a very important part of our Community.
HICCUP/
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hiccup (6669) | 7 months ago | I also can see how you are upset, and I do agree with you that these people who are doing this need to be caught and taken to court and punished.
Just to throw another stone at them will not help, an eye for an eye will not work here.
The Court and punishment. I do hope this happens soon.
The people as you will see we do take notice and we do punish those who need to be punished for acts like this.
HICCUP/
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tutul0045 (1275) | 7 months ago | Hey, First of all who told you that I live in a small village? And secondly in my post where did I mention the word ‘ white’ or ‘aussies’? And u r advising me to read first and react later, lol. Well I seriously doubt your IQ level.
Thirdly as u wrote that people like me are not welcomed in Australia, I wonder who are you to judge that? I hope u r not working in the visa department. But just like u I don’t want to c people like u in my country India as well. When our cultures don’t match, when our thinking don’t match we don’t need to be at each other’s place. The most important thing, which we are ignoring here, is there are innocent people who are getting abused. I don’t care its Lebanese or any one else. If it’s happening in Australia then it’s their duty to protect them.
I wonder if this case was reversed, some community in India hitting the Australian students studying in India what would have been your reaction. It’s very easy to stay calm and talk about peace when u r not in the receiving ends.
Cheers, Tutul
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14. mac1946 (966) | 7 months ago | Ok,lets see now,North Vietnam against South VietNam,North Korea against South Korea,Catholic against protistants,Islamic against Muslum. These are all always fighting,even when moving to another country to escape the hatred there,now they bring it here,but if you will notice,it is ONLY the whites that are labled "racist". I never had any problems with the immigrants untill they started making the governments change our laws to suit their beliefs,even when it destroys our past and cultural heritage. I am quite happy to help new people as much as I can,so long as they are willing to leave thier garbage in the old country and except our language and customs.
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hiccup (6669) | 7 months ago | I stand with you on this, We are a good Country.
But sad some groups of people also bring the OLD Garbage with them and they continue their fight with hate.
They so said came here to get away from all that, to start a new life, what I see is many forgot to leave the hate behind, and to start out FRESH.
HICCUP/
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15. AcousticSoul (681) | 7 months ago | Well I've dwelt with racisim all my life so I have a different prospective of what it is. I am african american, and I am sure you know the history. but it doesn't matter where I go and visit I get stares. and I don't beleive its because they are racisit its because I'm different or like you said out of the norm.and then at the same time I can go places here at home and I know they are racisit and I partly feel its because of the sterotyping of my culture but I can tell you the difference from someone just looking in couriousity or in a racist disgust. a racisit will make you uncomfortable, they will make it known they do not like who you are and wish you were gone. you can smell the hate.
I went to hawaii a couple of years ago and my family and I visited Pearl harbor. we are large women so the asian tourist thought because we were Fat, it was something abnormal. and I can understand because their culture is relatively small. some people around us said they were racist but so I didn't take it as them being racsist but courious.
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hiccup (6669) | 7 months ago | I see it but I do not understand it.
At the present Australian so said are White and we are getting the blame from Indian people who are in India for abusing the Indian Students, but this is not the case as it is a GANG thing with the Lebanese Youth, This is where the main trouble is.
I did post a lead to an ABC report(TV/Radio) on the matter, This report can be trusted.
I do hope many will read it and understand we Australian (No matter what Colour) do not want this abuse.
HICCUP/
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16. cynthiann (3171) | 7 months ago | You are right in that it is thought that Australia is very racist. Some people think that it is because of the Immigration laws or that the way that the Aboriginee people were treated. Some people in Europe proclaim that these people are still being treated badly. I don't know as I have never been to Australia and from th U.K. now live in the Caribbean.
What I can tell you is this. I agree with much of what you said but there has to be an understanding of how immigrants think. They tend to just mix and live with other immigrants because they are scared. They feel that 'their own' will treat them better and this is not always the case. This congregation of immigrants in certain districts etc is world wide and not only in Australia.
I remember seeing an Indian wearing a turban who came ot our door and i was so scared that I started screaming. I was about 6 years old at the time. My Dad who had lived in India for 6 years apologised and invited the man in to our home. Of course kids will look and kids are curious.
It takes time for people to be assimilated into a new culture and some will never do it - but perhaps their children will
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hiccup (6669) | 7 months ago | What I can say is that many people here in Australia are like me.
Now that opens a can of worms, HAHA.
But for those who would like to read some of my Discussions and Judge me as an Australia and do you think you might like me from what you read.
Most Australian hate this abuse that is happening, and yes it does seem the Police are taking much time to do anything.
But I am sure they (Police) are doing something on this matter.
Indian people in India think it is Whites doing this, but It is in fact gangs of Lebaneses youth.
Gangs are hard to trace and to find if they hide. No different than any part of the world.
We are also trying here in Australia to look after all who live here so thay can have a quality of life. Fixings wrongs of Yesterday does take time, but it is being done, slow as it may be.
I and others speak out here on these issues many times, our voices are heard and note is taken.
Time is the killer in mostb of this, as every one wants it by Yesterday.
HICCUP/
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cynthiann (3171) | 7 months ago | Thank you for your response. I hope that I can express myself clearly as I wish to make two points. First. If the Labanese gang have valid Australian passports then they are Australian. Maybe this is how Indian view them; as Australian not Lebanese Just a thought. eople shoule not be classified by race.
Secondly, we all have prejudices but we must not allow our personal prejudices to get in the way before respecting the rights and freedom of all people.
For example, I am British by birth but have lived for 40 years on a small Island in the Caribbean. I am a property manager of an up market condo. We have an Australian couple here that are a right royal pain and act as if this place is beneath them. These are ultra luxurious, excluive apts. The wife actually told me that she can't tell the difference between one gardener and another as 'they all look the same'. Now, I do not allow this couple to stop me making friends with other Aussies on the Island. But, the gardeners now hate Australians as these are the only Australian people that they have met.
It is all so difficult but we can start when our children are small to teach them that we all belong to the human race. We can never give up - we owe it to the next generation. You come across as a very good and caring man.
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17. krajibg (2496) | 7 months ago | Hi hiccup,
What you are trying to convey through this post is quite comprehensible for me but I am afraid you made some mistake somewhere and therefore this misunderstanding.
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hiccup (6669) | 7 months ago | Krajibg,
We as Australian are concerned on the abuse but back in India it is thought is is WHITES who are the abusers of the Indian Students, This is NOT so.
Lebanese Gangs are most of the blame for this, But sad many in India will never know this.
And the matter is being taken care of by our police and Courts.
As you know Police and Courts all take time to do anything.
But for Indian People to put blame on Australia and whites is very wrong, and is that not Racist by those people. To direct blame when it is Faults.
HICCUP/
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18. suzzy3 (4010) | 7 months ago | I have not heard anything like that about Australia.You are all made up from foreign stock anyway apart from the Aboriginis who have always been there.The old racist card we see that being played in England if a foreign person does something wrong at work and are sacked out comes the racist card.Your child does not invite a black or foreign child to their birthday party out comes the racist card again.The child does not play with that child.It is because we are black,they say.I must stress that not all black,asian families are like this,we have a very nice Indian family run our local shop,no problems with anything like that.The trouble is we are all to frightened to open our mouths just incase we upset someone.All this politically correct rubbish is ruining it for everyone including migrants to this country.It is the do gooders and pc bridgade have made this situation the normal migrant worker just wants to get on with life in their new country and the normal resident of England don't give it a second thought.So why all the fuss,yes racism is a terrible thing and should be dealt with by the proper authorites.One white man murders some one, are we all murderers then.
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suzzy3 (4010) | 7 months ago | As a footnote to the last discussion.Australia and England cannot be that bad with racism as enough people from all over the world would love to live in our countries and surely if we were really racist,it would be the opposite surely.
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hiccup (6669) | 7 months ago | I never thought of that, If we are so racist and they know it why is it that they Que up to come here and live. HA HA HA, Fools them, ha ha, Sorry it is funny.
HICCUP/
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suzzy3 (4010) | 7 months ago | I came to this conclusion when a couple of christmas back my daughter told me they did not want to upset some of the foreign people by celebrating christmas in my grandaughters school she was five.The rest of the foreign mothers said christmas was part of our culture and joined in although from a different faith,they enjoyed it as well.like they said if they were not happy in England they would not have brought their kids hear for goodness sake.The pc merchants try to ruin it for everyone.
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19. frankiecesca (1223) | 7 months ago | I think you are so right - here in the UK we get so many people who have come to live in our country to have a better life and yet are then annoyed by our culture - if you don't like our culture do not come here in the first place and then get annoyed with us when this is our country!! When I travel to other countries I have respect for that countries culture and people and so why cannot visitors here have the same respect for ours? It is silly and makes more people angry when all it takes is to respect a different way of life! x
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hiccup (6669) | 7 months ago | It's a two way thing, I try to understand their culture and belief, but I do not want it down my neck.
They have knowingly came to a different culture and beliefs, then they get upset because we do not do what they do, and because we do not we are classed Racist and this is in my land not theirs (they are the new one here but want top pecking order)
HICCUP/
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20. Lakota12 (17281) | 7 months ago | you got it right they bring the old world they left to our shores instead of tring to learn to fit in they cling to the old ways some I wouold say are good but other things could be left behind. ANd yup we would be pointed at and laughed at from the color of our skin to our hair color!
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