Did you know Jesus Christ wasn't born on December 25??

Oh.I wasn't aware of that fact.Thanks deewinc for briging that up.But I think Jesus Christ wasn't born on March 28 either.In fact it is still a mystery..

Stop spreading untruths. It is clearly written in the New Testament that the Early Christians - the Church founded by Jesus Christ worshipped on a Sunday. The Jews had special privelages under Caesar to worshipp in their faith. The early Christians use dto worship in the temple on a Saturday and meet on the first day of he week to worship. Hello? This is the New Covenant that our Saviour brought about.

Don't tell lies about one million protestants getting killed by Catholics. Where are your facts? How can you say something so preposterous without quoting your facts? Where did this happen and in what year?

The point is that we do not know the exact date when Christ was born but it does not matter! what matters is that he was born to bring Salvation to all.[/b]
Jesus gave another commandment to us telling us to love one another. You are not doing this by spreading lies and hatred. This is not of God. Go is love, my friend, love.

Hi cynthiann.I am a catholic myself and I too felt uncomfortable when it was brought up.But I didn't wanted to drag it and make it a issue which is completely different from the discussion I started.Ayways thanks for your response friend.Let us all live in peace and harmony both on earth and on Mylot.

I normally do not respond to religious discussions but I don't know what propelled me to answer. He has just answered a post of mine in a very insulting way so I will pray for him as he sounds very young. There are just so many misconceptions of what catholicism is and I'm afraid that Ialthough I tried to answer in love, he is angry with me.

In teh change from pagan to christianoity the Church did use the pagan festic=vals to make themn Christian - and this did work in the long run.. As I said, what is important is that a young girl aged around 14 actually said YES when asked to bear our Saviour. Even though a pregnancy being unmarried would have resulted in her being stoned to death - she still said YES to God. That is why I honour Mary. She had the free will to say yes or no. But she was obedient to the Holy Spirit and said yes, for the sake of us all. Many blessings my friend.

HI Cythian.I wasn't aware of the history between you too.I hope you clear the miscoception between yourselves.And yes you are very right about mother Mary.Thats why we also pray Mother Mary athough she was a human like one of us.And I also personally feel that after that act of mother Mary small virtues of her got embedded in every women when she is pregnant and that is the reason why all the mothers love their childre so much.

Deewinc...Please do some homework, before you state something so ridiculous ...this is abolutely not true.

Read my other response, so you can have some history under your belt.

deewinc.I never thought I would say this but I too feel what you wrote was little bit too aggressive.Anyways no worries..Next time be more careful man..

That was nice information lotterylover.But my thinking was that like we observed in modern days there are lot of companies.Some really do good.So the other companies join in the big company and make it bigger with few terms of condition in order not to lose its existence.And that is how christianity has evolved combining all other reigions including the egyptians as well.

As I said in my previous posts - the date doesn't matter and we do not know the exact date anyhow, what matters is that we celebrate the fact that He was born and came to earth to bring us all salvation. The fact that we do honour Him on a special day must bring happiness to God our Father. We do not need the commercialism. Blessings

well in this case we have different opinion and i respect yours...
as much as i believe, Christ did not command that his birthday be commemorated.Instead, He commanded that His death-the core of His salvation mission-be remembered...
blessings!

I am with you on this "C" If Jesus had not filled His mission His birth would not have been of any value. Celebrating Christ birth and death should just be that. IT had nothing to do with Santa, Easter Bunnies and ect. That is diffidently all pagan worship.

Well though my thoughts are different than yours ckyera but as you mentioned thats all your opinion.And yes I think all the things we do on the festivals are definitely from the pagan worship.And yes you are right that christmas is celebrated on 25th of December because it is the birthday of sun god that is it is the longest day of year. And they also they say that it is the reason why the bishop's robe has a sun made on it.Anyways I like to celebrate christmas on december 25th because all my family members come home for vaccations and it is one of the only two festivals we have.

To loterrylover and "C",

I agree on both of you, I was brought up in a religion where we don't celebrate Christmas due to its not specified in the bible and that based on the bible Christ wasn't born on December as they all believe.

Many times I had read in the bible, though I just can't remember the verses, but I remember I read what Pagans beliefs are and it happen to reflect on Catholism. I have nothing against this religion just my opinions and what I see is what I'm saying now. I see so many beliefs like the worshiping statues, I read it once that Christ said we should not do that and that is actually pagan belief isn't it? Just so many things that they are doing against the words written in the bible though we do respect their beliefs and opinions, I just hope they will respect ours as well.

P.S.
I'm not into any church right now since I'm not seeing a reason why I should when the teachings are out of what the bible says.

to cynthiann
do you think we do really brings happiness to God when we do all those pagan things when celebrating the so called birthday of Jesus? when we all know that all those are pagans way of celebrating...
yes there's nothing wrong in remembering the birth of Jesus...what's wrong is the way it is celebrated...the bible said...do not addto or subtract fromthe words of God written in the bible...they will be punished and will not be saved...Revelation 22:18-19


to lotterylover
thanks! you are right...those things are nothing to do with the birth and death of Christ...those were pagans things...we should celebrate his birth and death in the way that's written in the bible...


to shummy
i am glad you know those things...you that those things are from pagans...but why still follow on it if you are a true Christian? well, yes thanks to the inventors of this December 25 Christmas...because of them, it becomes a holiday...a long vacation and a time to be gathered with our family...


to angel of charm
yes you are right...so many pagans beliefs are seen on some chueches today...and yes we do respect them if that's what they prefer to do...to some, we can't blame them for this is the religion they born with...i just hope that they will see those things also and will come to think about it...
and yes we respect their beliefs and i also wish that they will respect ours...that how things should be...
well you said your not in any church/religion now/ well i suggest you not to stop in seeking the TRUE religion...to know if it is true...its easy, look for a religion that all their teachings are based on the bible and not with the man made laws and traditions...
this is just my suggestion, its up to you if you consider it or not...
blessings!


to everybody, i hope i did not offense anybody...
again, i am just stating my opinion and my belief regarding this matter...
blessings to all of you and God bless!

I'm not going to add fuel to fire, but I totally agree with ckyera. I'm born a Catholic, but thanks to so many real friends on the way, I finally got the point and opened my eyes to the truth. There is no such thing called religion. There is only one God. Follow the Bible. Listen to the Word and there will be no confusion. I don't say don't respect Mary and the saints, but thats as far as it goes. Our Lord does not need any influence to reach Him. One can talk to Him direct and He will answer us. God is so wonderful and is a prayer answering God.

Well I would like to say that I don't agree with it.I don't find any reason why praying his idol or celebrating his birth and death would bring us harm.Every good person says that trying to be humble when we praise him.You can't just close your eyes and rely your whole life on Bible.I don't know what I am saying but we should try to improve the quality of our life by taking inspiration from the Bible and not by make Bible our life itself.

hi shummy, maybe you are right...that you don't know what you are saying...
as i've said, there's nothing wrong in celebration or remembering Christ's birth...what is wrong i think is the way it is celebrated...its not according to the Bible, but instead it is according to Pagan way of belief...and if its from pagan, well maybe God will not be pleased...
a true Christian believes that the word of God is written only in the Bible. The Bible should be the only basis for our services to God, this is the truth which will teach man how to be saved from punishment on judgment day...
and if we don't follow what's written on the bible, if we add or subtract anything from it then it might really harm us...
but anyway, that's what you believe...and you think its right then no one stops you on celebrating christmas day...
have a good day!

Well all I meant that every human knows it when he does it wrong and when he does it right.And so do I.And when I do something wrong I try to amend things not because I will be sent to hell but because it makes me feel better.And I read Bible because it teaches me morality of helping others,forgiving others,respecting people and so on.And following it gives me pleasure and happiness.Similarly I celebrate Christmas because Jesus Christ was born that day but because celebrating it makes me happy.If I followed Bible then it would make me feel sad.All I want to say is I really don't believe in Judgment Day and its consequences.All I know is I have this life which I have to live it happily.I may sound very confused but let me tell you I am a very happy lad....

aw...okay. then i'm done with it...
i have said my opinions and you have said yours...that's it.
if that's what makes you happy...then go on.
i respect your opinion...
have a nice day and let's all be happy in our own beliefs!

Hi rogue.You know what I was just watching X Men evoution with rogue's episode. Anyways as mentioned in the above post December 25 is celebrated christmas as it is the festival of Pagan god Sun.From 25th of December days becoe longer than nights.

Yeah.It is so weird that in spite our parents know this fact they never find it necessary to actually make us aware of this fact even when we grow up.And for your answer please look up in the above two posts.

Yes.You are right about that voldrox.Yeah its not about why we are celebrating on 25th rarely does matter.And I really christmas for what it is and how it is.And as you know I also wrote a story on the festive season of christmas.

Oh.That was some information I didn't know asylum.I knew that Christians adopted this date from other religions to attract more people to turn to Christianity.This was what I concluded after studying a number of articles.But the specific details weren't mentioned in those papers.Thanks for sharing it asylum.

Just to add up, check out the Benediction that they have in the Church. The host is placed in a thing which takes the shape of the sun. Why doesn't everyone open their eyes to the truth?

Yes.But if you look at it from my point of view that is small companies collaging with bigger ones to maintain their existence it won't look bad.In fact I feel proud that it has given shelter to their practices and still kept them alive..

I am not offended at all hairypit.I am also a catholic and I too have doubts on those facts.But I definitely believe in Bible because the facts are right but what it teaches is right.It definitely helps a person to follow the right path in life.And if you want heaven you don't have to really believe in all this.All you have to do is follow the main principles of bible which is not to commit sins and forgive people who have betrayed you.

Yes thats true.It was chosen by the Vatican.And thanks for your response raju.

Wow.That was really nice to know.I always knew that Christianity had adopted cultures from other small religions.Small in the sense of number of followers.But really didn't know from where it adopted what.The company theory I suggested in the first post proves out to be right with these examples.

Oh yes, and the Christmas tree goes back to yggdrasil, the world tree, and the tree as a central element of Norse religion. The modern practice of hanging presents on the tree probably reflects the custom of using the tree to hang human and animal sacrifices on.

The idea of a child of god sent to earth is far from unique to Christianity either. It exists in several pre - christian religions as does the idea of the child of god dying for the sake of humanity and then offering the promise of eternal spititual life following the death of the mortal body.

That concept is a central element of at least two pre - christian religions including one that is still practiced today. In short there is very little in christianity that has not been adopted from pre existing religions. Islam is even more derivative and unorigional than christianity.

I even read from somewhere said that the sacrifice of christ on the cross has also been adopted from a small tribe.Whenever there was any epidemic in the tribe they used to chose a man and ofer him prayers.And after performing all the necessary rituals he was hanged on cross as he would die and take away all the disease from the tribe.

The crucifiction story is often misunderstood. To start with, the Romans reserved that mode of execution for slaves or rebels only. The description of the execution as given in the bible is entirely consistant with Roman practice, so we can be reasonably sure that we are reading a true account of the event.

Now he was not a slave, so he and his companions must have been executed as rebels and the numerous references in the bible to him as the king of the Jews is ample evidence that he was seen as some sort of leader of the Jewish people. Since Judea was a Roman province at the time, that would be quite enough for them to condemn him as a rebel.

It even starts with the story of his birth and the gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh. These are the gifts due to royalty. The royal house in question being that of the Hasmoneans who ruled Judea before the Roman occupation.

If you'll google: Jesus born on September 11 - - - - you'll find some very interesting information.

Also - it's highly possible that Jesus was born and also died

In Romans chapter 14, Paul the Apostle, taught us that no one should judge another in the respect of Holy days, or whether the Sabbath is celebrated, or concerning what one eats and another does not.

Each of us has to live our lives as unto the Lord, and pleasing Him is not made up of rules and regulations, but simply 1. accepting Him as one's Saviour 2. Loving Him with all of our heart, mind, and soul - - and 3. Worshipping Him, whether at church or in the privacy of our hearts and homes.

Oooops - sorry I got a call and mistakenly left out a final part of a sentence:

Also - it's highly possible that Jesus was born and also died on or within one of the Jewish Holy day seasons.

Jewish history would reveal that, I believe.

Sorry for the mistake.

Can't take Jewish history for granted. Remember they are still waiting for the Savious. Whereas He has already come and gone. So anyone can write books.

But the time of Jesus' birth can be found' within at least a very brief time span, if one wants to do the research, both scientifically and within the astronomical charts that go way back.

This type of research would be factual and accurate.

There is a link where the birth of Christ is discussed at the very bottem of the web page (scroll down and watch for it)

http://www.hol.com/~johnboy/chrono.htg/chrono.htm

That's very interesting and facinating information. I've not seen it presented in this way before. Thanks for the link - very interesting.