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myLot reputation of 77/100. Strongheart (1079)   ranked 29 out of 1,624 in music lover5 months ago

Have you heard the latest? Now, musicians who have already ripped back their music from the internet and made it necessary for us to either pay to play their songs in our playlists or be satisfied with those artists who allow free play of their music, have decided they want radio stations to pay to play their songs.

This is ridiculous. Don't these people realize that radio is responsible for the success many ofthem have? If it weren't for hearing their songs on the radio cause some local dj took a chance on a local garage band, many would have never sold album one!

This also opens up the doors to the death of music itself in the broadest sense as listeners will be at the mercy of program directors and corporate policies concerning what music is acceptable and thus they are willing to purchase the rights to play. So a young upcoming artist with that hot new style we all crave may not be heard at all unless his songs, appearance, the laundry detergent and clothes he wears are approved by a radio corporations board members and their sponsors!

I think it's time musicians took a step back and remember that, like myself a writer and any artist, it is the people who make us what we are!

What do you think?

 
 
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KrazyKlingon (3166) response was accepted on 7/3/2009.
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1. myLot reputation of 67/100. MuncheeLee (100)   ranked 1,073 out of 1,624 in music lover   5 months ago

That is just stupid!

Without the airplay, no one would know these bands. I know there are many bands that I like that I had never heard before the radio played them.

Are they just satisfied with their current fan base? That seems like the surest way to not sell more tickets than they have been. No new people would know who they are.


myLot reputation of 77/100. Strongheart (1079)   ranked 29 out of 1,624 in music lover  5 months ago

It would seem that greed is getting the better of them. What next? Are they going to charge record stores to sell their albums?

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2. myLot reputation of 81/100. KrazyKlingon (3166)   ranked 48 out of 1,624 in music lover   5 months ago

Radio stations, whether commercial radio or non-commercial, just pay a flat licensing fee to ASCAP &/or BMI to broadcast music. I don't know if it's the doing of the Big Four that's the heart of the RIAA (Sony-BMI, EMI, MCA-Universal, & Warner Music), or the artists themselves.

Even on youtube, a lot of screwy things were done. If someone uploads a music video, somehow, either it refuses to upload, gets deleted, or somehow, the audio part of the video gets silenced. I remember going to see a video that contained a certain song, but I cannot remember which one. In order for a successful upload, the uploader ended up having to either speed up the song a bit, or slow it down to get the video to properly play.

I, myself, have two music players on my profile that has been there for years. One of the players is probably why this certain kitty-cat hears Scorpions music every time she thinks about me, & ends up thinking about me when she hears Scorpions' music. Oopsie - I just went out into left fiend - time to back up. Well, when I first selected the songs for my music player, they were the full versions. Now, many of them seemed to have turned into 30 second snippets.

I have also added a second music player with some unknown artists, a total of four songs, that actually lets me upload music to the site to add to my player. At least I do have artists' permission to use their songs, probably because they're relatively unknown. However, the three artists featured have more talent than what the major labels associated with the RIAA have been giving us lately anyway.


myLot reputation of 81/100. KrazyKlingon (3166)   ranked 48 out of 1,624 in music lover  5 months ago

I forgot to include that the RIAA also wants internet radio stations to start paying these ASCAP &/or BMI licensing fees to play their music over the internet. I am not sure if this has gone through yet, but if it happens, that will be the death of the good but small internet radio stations that someone operates out of their garage or basement.


myLot reputation of 77/100. Strongheart (1079)   ranked 29 out of 1,624 in music lover  5 months ago

I understand what you're saying and I agree, the high restrictions on the internet have already made a serious impact on the reach of music. The licesning fees of RIAA are reasonable and have been in place for years but what I was referring to is what I saw on the news last night about the artists themselves trying to require that stations pay them to broadcast their songs over and above industry licensing. To me this seems like a bad thing.

Reference music players - I too hate the 5, 8 and 30 second demos! But there is good news. Some internet sites have gotten licensing agreements for whole songs and not just the stuff nobody wants to listen to. One of these players is on my profile if you want to join that site. there's no referal links. Also the site has a search feature to try and find songs they don't already have linked so you can add them and I've used it several times.


myLot reputation of 81/100. KrazyKlingon (3166)   ranked 48 out of 1,624 in music lover  5 months ago

OK - I now see that I must have missed something in your original posting, & with what you just said, it sounds like these artists want nothing more than mere double-dipping.

Seeing the entire picture, this is what I see ...

Music Director (Or program director) comes to his desk & finds lots of new music.
The said director listens to one artist's sample.
Director makes a leaves rubber behind from his footwear while he flies to the bathroom to barf.
Director returns & dumps that piece of music, saying, "You expect this idiot to be paid to broadcast here???"

Or, if it was a committee that voted, & especially if they unanimously deemed the material on that as not good enough, they'd probably be playing frisbee with it during their lunch break.

If they just stuck with the ASCAP/BMI licensing fees that DO pay artists from them, there would be some more leniency in letting it be broadcast.

(Flings a junk CD to Strongheart.)
CATCH!


myLot reputation of 77/100. Strongheart (1079)   ranked 29 out of 1,624 in music lover  5 months ago

Yeah, crazy ain't it! It would be like me telling Walden Books they have to pay me to display my books!


myLot reputation of 81/100. KrazyKlingon (3166)   ranked 48 out of 1,624 in music lover  5 months ago

Listening to oldies, & then sme of the stuff that's VERY recent, I can see why artists are getting greedy. It's almost always been when someone releases a song or an album, the record company keeps almost all of the profits from the sales.

It is from shows & concerts that artists actually generate their wealth. If they do a one-night show, & fill up the entire venue to maximum capacity, that does generate a lot. The problem is, today's artists don't fill up the place like the artists in the past used to, & therefore, don't generate as much revenue from a show like in the past.

So we have artists who think they're better & more talented than they REALLY are having it swelling their heads, & ... well - I think you know what I'm trying to say.


myLot reputation of 77/100. Strongheart (1079)   ranked 29 out of 1,624 in music lover  5 months ago

Yeah I understand, and here I would be happy to just get recognized! LOL

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3. myLot reputation of 81/100. punkincat (153)   ranked 14 out of 1,624 in music lover   5 months ago

Radio does pay to be able to play ( they pay I forgot the orgazine name, bars and rest. pay to it as well)

Radio has been thought to be dying for a while now, when MTV came out then the internet. Somehow radio always manages to pull though.

Always remember that new styles will find a way out in new ways.


myLot reputation of 77/100. Strongheart (1079)   ranked 29 out of 1,624 in music lover  5 months ago

I would like to direct your attention to KK's response above where we went into more depth on it. We are not talking about simple rights anymore but rather performers are demanding more money in royalties and licensing fees outside the norm!


myLot reputation of 81/100. punkincat (153)   ranked 14 out of 1,624 in music lover  5 months ago

It really dosen't matter people will find good music. Ever heard of Metalicia they made it big with no airplay. Alternite and even rap in the early days created huge following without radio.

Record sales and concerts sales are down right now so instead of taking a pay cut artist are trying to maintain there lifestyle. Been tried before but you can't get blood from a stone I really can't see radio giving in. Most likely the radio stations will find a way around or start playing more local artists.

Either way radio will not die and we will find good music somewhere

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4. myLot reputation of 76/100. MYKLJ999_VERSION_2 (2983)   ranked 4 out of 1,624 in music lover   5 months ago

Actually, this is not a new concept.

Stations have had to pay royalty rights to play music for years...


myLot reputation of 77/100. Strongheart (1079)   ranked 29 out of 1,624 in music lover  5 months ago

I'd like to direct your attention to KK's response above where we went kinda in depth on it. We are not talking about simple rights anymore but rather performers are demanding more money in royalties and licensing fees outside the norm!


myLot reputation of 76/100. MYKLJ999_VERSION_2 (2983)   ranked 4 out of 1,624 in music lover  5 months ago

Saw that after I posted...


myLot reputation of 77/100. Strongheart (1079)   ranked 29 out of 1,624 in music lover  5 months ago

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5. myLot reputation of 89/100. crimsonladybug (1816)   ranked 254 out of 1,624 in music lover   5 months ago

I think a lot of people misunderstand the industry. 9 times out of ten it's not the artists who make these decisions (notwithstanding those artists like Timbaland, Kanye West, etc. etc. etc. who produce their own records and therefore make most of their own marketing decisions). The record labels' executives, the album producers, sometimes the artists' agents are the ones who have issues with "free music" because "free music" doesn't put money in their pockets. Artists make most of their money off merch sales at concerts, which is why you can find stuff at a show that you will never find in a store (and why some bands will run three or four tours a year). If an artist records an album that will only be available at their merch table while they are on that specific tour (like Dashboard Confessional's Wire Tapes album, for example) then fans are more likely to buy it at the show because it's going to be harder to get their hands on it later.

Two instances of artists encouraging downloading that stand out in my mind are Davey Havok of AFI and Jason Mraz. After AFI's most recent album, decemberunderground, was released, the first single released to the radio was altered from its original, album version. On the Despair Faction (fan club) message boards, everyone wanted to know where they could get their hands on a copy of this alternate version because it wasn't on the UK release and it wasn't on the single. Davey posted on the board that it was only intended for radio release but if we could find it through a torrent or similar avenue, he encouraged us to jump on it and share it with as many people as we could.

Jason Mraz's music was not being played on any public radio station (or possibly as few as 5% of the stations) in Kansas when he first started out. But on his first tour, he sold out two nights in a row at an arena in Topeka. At the meet-and-greet after the show, he asked people, if you don't hear me on the radio, how did you find out about the show? Almost every person he asked told him they'd found his songs online, through (free, illegal) downloading. He said he had never really had an opinion either way about downloading until he heard that and then he was all for it. It helped get tens of thousands of people to his shows, which otherwise might have been a bust.

So, it's not always the artists who are trying to make us pay through the nose for their music. A lot of the time it's the folks who sign their checks making all the noise.


myLot reputation of 81/100. KrazyKlingon (3166)   ranked 48 out of 1,624 in music lover  5 months ago

It is actually the established big-time major artists that are getting greedy. Quite often, the record companies & the RIAA do keep most, if not all, of the monies from music sales. The artists themselves actually generate their wealth from shows & concerts.

As I said above, an or the band members can become pretty wealthy if they go on tour & fill up the various venues with ticket-buying fans. That very seldom happens though. They're lucky if enough tickets get sold so that they don't need to go back to whatever their regular jobs were before getting famous. The other problem is, there are artists that just get careless with their money, & suddenly, they're very close to either losing their luxurious home or filing bankruptcy protection.

The relatively unknown artist would want the exposure without getting additional royalties. This entire discussion is talking about the famous ones that cannot fill a venue, but because they're famous, that fame goes to their heads, & cause them to think that they're better than they really are. It's many of those individual artists that want additional royalties for air play.


myLot reputation of 77/100. Strongheart (1079)   ranked 29 out of 1,624 in music lover  5 months ago

As a writer, I am enjoying the exposure to what the two of you are saying about the music industry as it gives me insights to other indusries.

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