Is Dropping Out of High School Acceptable?  | | Kind of feeding off from another discussion about teenagers, I often think of this: I surely hope my children don't ever want to drop out of high school. I want them to graduate from HIGH SCHOOL-not drop out or get kicked out and end up at a continuation school or only getting their GED. I beleive that high school teaches responsibilty and dedication, as well as learning to deal with peer issues, understanding punctuality, etc. I am not a fan of continuation school because the state mandates far less work and structure from its students, not to mention many times "problem students" attend because they could not make it work in the regular high school setting. I think allowing your child to drop out of school shows that it is not important to strive to do your best, or it is ok to mess up because there is always something else to fall back on. Am I old-school for the way I think? I think maybe I am uneducated nowadays with how schools work, and maybe it is a lot harder for a teen to truly succeed in high school, resulting in the reasons more kids either do drop out all together, or go the continuation or GED route.
What do you think? Have you had your teens drop out of school? Did you allow it or were they kicked out of regular school? What the reasons they either dropped completely or they decided continuation school was better?
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| | | | | | 1. Improbability (128) | 5 months ago | It's a lot HARDER? That's a new one to me. Seems a lot easier. I've known several brilliant kids who gave up on school because it was too easy for them. I agree with you completely on why school is important. I think the most important things a good school teaches is how to think critically and how to be responsible. Any school should at least teach the latter. I see very few reasons to drop out of school, and both are extremes. First- High school has no benefit and could be becoming detrimental. Kids in urban areas with poor education, and a poor and bankrupt school system often don't benefit from finishing high school as much as they benefit from starting a career in a trade and working up, or something similar. Second- The student is so far beyond the high school level it is rediculous to hold them there. Though in this case they would presumably want to go on to college, and would aim for graduating early rather than just dropping out.
I've known a few people who dropped out of school. None of them end up in cozy, middle class jobs. Not to say it isn't possible, and not to say that there's anything wrong with the other jobs. But kids should be aware of what they are REALLY doing when they consider quitting school.
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princess07031980 (1850) | 5 months ago | Well, the school system demands seem harder nowadays. I see what my children bring home as work, and I am amazed at times at the levels are learning! But I don't have any high school kids as of yet, so that is unknown territory for me at the time.....
I do agree with you with the urban and inner city schools. I actually went to school to be a teacher, although I am not attending now (Ironic, right, that this discussion is about dropping out, and I dropped out of college. But I did graduate from a regular high school on time-LOL) One of the classes we took taught all about the funding for schools and what were reasons and situations that made certain schools "poorer" than others. It was really heart-wrenching to hear about those inner city schools-how the books were old, and the heating systems haven't been upgraded in 20 years or more.....If education isn't SAFE or if it is not progressing to meet other cities standards, then education really isn't what it is supposed to be.
I am not from the inner city, I grew up in a high/middle-class town with an excellent, highly maintained high school. The classrooms were warm and friendly and we had new textbooks every couple years. I am fortunate. But amazingly, nearly 1/3 of my freshmen class did not graduate senior year. Why? Well, they were definitely the kids who were into other things, mostly drugs or joining jobs early on and decided to work instead of go to school. Most though, were lazy, and they disrespected authority. Or maybe getting something as monumental (but simple) as a high school diploma really and truly did not phase them at all.
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zoey7879 (1250) | 5 months ago | Something I'd like to add in response to princess's response to your post Improb, is that unfortunately there are many many parents and care givers who simply do not care about their child's education; and I hope no one bashes on me too hard because this is going to sound cliche, but this is very true in many lower income areas.
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princess07031980 (1850) | 5 months ago | It is cliche, but it is in fact true. There are hard working families that just don't make much, and there are also people who don't work at all or don't care to move up in the working world, and money only stretches so far. It is statisitics, whether it seems discriminatory or not.
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| | 2. glords (1434) | 5 months ago | I guess each person must choose their path in life, but if my kids dropped out of high school, you can bet it wouldn't be for long. I would personally escort them to school if I had to. I had siblings who dropped out and finished up later with alternative schools and/or GED's. It was fine, they went on to college with no problems, but I would be pretty dang upset if my kids tried to pull that on me.
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| | 3. zoey7879 (1250) | 5 months ago | I almost dropped out of school, despite being a good student. I was tired of being harassed on a regular basis. I ended up changing schools. Something I have noticed is that a lot, but not all, jobs require only a GED or diploma. Those jobs not requiring specialized classes (such as electricians) usually don't care, it's all the same in their eyes. There are a hundred ways that a child can learn responsibility and dedication without attending public high school, or without attending any high school. Honestly, I don't remember a dang thing I learned in high school except what "marazmus" (sp?) is, what a rider on an insurance policy is, and the titles of a few good, but not considered to be classic novels are.... And I was one of those students who got grades good enough to graduate high school before I could legally drive. My valedictorian on the other hand, was handed lots of scholarships and she wasn't even aware that there are 50 states in the US and 51 if you count Puerto Rico. The valedictorian was not of great reputation and had been reprimanded for drinking alcohol on school field trips. She and I applied for all the same scholarships, and she won them all. The differences between she and I: She cheated, I didn't. Most people knew her, while I was extremely private and withdrawn.
Many school and states now make higher minimum graduation requirements.. I live in Illinois and it requires 4 years of Language Arts, 2 years of intensive writing classes, 3 years of math (one must be algebra, one must be geometry), 2 social studies (one must be American History and/or Government), 1 year of either: art, foreign language, sign language, vocational education, or music. The page I just read has made no mention of Health courses or Physical education courses... Which is sad, because is learning French more important than our children knowing how to keep their weight and cardio health in order? Is knowing how to sing in a certain key more important than children learning basic parenting and child care skills? Those types of things mentioned prior are only going to help if the student is going into a very specified field of study or if they live in/move to a very diverse environment or go into political studies.
By "continuation education" I assume that you're meaning what many call "alternative schools"? I nearly went to one in between my sophmore and last year of high school because I*wasn't* able to learn in the environment I was in. Most of the students were disruptive, many of them got good grades, etc only because they belonged to a certain sports team or club. I got groped on in a class where I was the only female student. I was even called a b!@ch by a staff member after having a conversation with the school principal about her - in front of my entire class. While I certainly want my child to be a responsible and productive citizen, I feel that there is NO need to subject her the type of hostile learning environment.
Honestly after reviewing GED material with someone, I found it to be equally as difficult to complete and pass GED classes. There are a couple of other alternatives such as AmeriCorps and Job Corps, but I DO NOT.. DO NOT DO NOT recommend Job Corps, from personal experience (which if you want to know more about that, feel free to send me a private message). Another thing is to remind your students that many states do NOT allow dropouts to obtain or keep their driver's license if they are under the age of 18 - BIGGER incentive to stay enrolled. Most well adjusted kids won't drop out, regardless of what their plans for the future are. If they are desiring to do so.. I'd be digging into what is going on at school and in their personal life... Digging deep.
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princess07031980 (1850) | 5 months ago | Very well stated, and I agree with you in many aspects. (And by the way, I graduated high school in Illinois as well.) I can see your reasons of why you were uncomfortbale in school, and I think you have a valid reason for considering dropping out. Wehn I said that the continuation schools, did not challenge the students, it's because I have seen their studies compared to regular high school students, and they oftehn do work grades lower in standard than their peers in the a regular school setting. That and they do not discipline with having as much homework, and often times teachers at continuation schools (or sometimes called charter schools) do not even have to have a completed degree to teach!
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zoey7879 (1250) | 5 months ago | Ah, Princess, I think then maybe I might have misread or not understood in your OP about the alternative schools. With this second post, I agree with all that you said. When the alternative school opened up here, they hired a teachers AIDE ( I think that here its 90 credit hours of college, no specialized field?) to help out - and instead, they expected her to teach three of their students who couldn't speak English how to speak English. That aide was at a loss because she didn't know how to speak Spanish or how to begin teaching 15 year olds how to speak English.
The same school, originally, despite the fact that each student paid a book fee at the beginning of the year, shared one book per subject between the entire group of students for that subject. My cousin shared her mathematics book with 8 other students. The book was never allowed to leave the classroom. The students who were ahead began to fall behind because they had to slow down their pace so much, and those who were most in need fell behind as well, because they could never study at home or on their own outside of the classroom setting. Things have changed drastically since that year with the local alternative school, I am relatively certain that had I dropped out of public school and went into THAT exact environment, I would've been a lost cause all around. No doubts about it.
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princess07031980 (1850) | 5 months ago | Statisticly speaking, kids who drop out of public school and go to attend a continuation school, the chances are high they will drop out again from that school. Then some schools have adult education or correspondence courses that they can do from home (basically homeschooling themselves) to obtain that degree. That is crap as far as I am concerned! I don't think it should be right that a student can earn that diploma from home when some kids work all 4 years and stick with the discipline and the long hours of studying and homework to earn that diploma. If you saw the variances between the disciplines and core structure in the varoius "diploma programs" you would see that each level they drop becomes easier, yet they are all rewarded basically the same in the end.
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| | 4. geminikid (1071) | 5 months ago | No, I think it is better to go, get your grades, get your diploma, and get a good job worthy of your education. My middle brother dropped out, because he was influenced to do so by his friends. He did get his G.E.D., and was able to get into college where he learned a decent trade. If that is what's needed, then more power to anyone to become a success
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| | 5. highflyingxangel (9033) | 5 months ago | When I was growing up, I was one of those kids that thought about dropping out well before I even got old enough to actually be able to drop out. I just hated school and hated dealing with the people that went there, I wanted to drop out. Thankfully, I ended up not going through with my plans and I'm just finishing up my last semester of college. I'm waiting for my degree to be written up as we speak.
I'm glad I didn't drop out. If I had, I'm not sure I would have gone back and if I had dropped out, I wouldn't really make much out of my life. It's just not possible to really do much of anything anymore without a highschool diploma.
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| | 6. ElicBxn (15467) | 5 months ago | IF I had kids, I'd KILL them if they dropped out.
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princess07031980 (1850) | 5 months ago | I agree with that. I won't allow it, and although I am not married to any of my kids dad (I have 3), he wouldn't allow them to drop either. I think if a teen is willing to call it quits in school, he or she is not really going to learn what it means to have to complete something that should be a high priority. And statistically speaking, those who drop out really don't do much else with themselves after the fact. Not always true, but generally speaking.
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ElicBxn (15467) | 5 months ago | well, I did know a guy, a few years older than I am, who took the GED in 11th grade and went on to some place like MIT
But he was exceptional and did the GED and "dropped out" to go to college on a scholarship.
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| | 7. dbabcook (341) | 5 months ago | In my opinion I believe that finishing High School should be one of the most important things you should do. College is a good thing as well, but in order to get anywhere you should by all mean atleast finish high school.
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virusxtreme24 (715) | 5 months ago | Yes, I agree with this as nowadays you must at the very minimum be a high school graduate in order to find a job. After attending high school, it gives you the basis to continue your studies with college to find a higher paying job.
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| | 8. sunshine4 (6288) | 5 months ago | Dropping out of school is not an option for my children and they know it. My oldest graduated and married a girl who dropped out in Feb of her senior year. Now she has a hard time finding a job of any kind except for McDonalds. My son keeps telling her to go and get her GED at least so she can then go to college.
I have a son who will be graduating this year. He has no interest to drop out of school. He is looking forward to going and visiting colleges this year.
My other 2 children know it is important to get a proper education. They will both finish high school and then go to college.
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princess07031980 (1850) | 5 months ago | I seriously hope my kids choose to go to college, but I guess that seems really far off, and although it is highly recommended to go to college, I am still aiming towards instilling reasons why high school is important. What I really don't get is why parents allow their kids to drop and NOR do they make them go out and work full time if they choose to drop. It seems like parents sometimes are in support of their children becoming losers.
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sunshine4 (6288) | 5 months ago | Parents are making life unrealistic for their kids when they don't make them go and get a job. All of my kids had jobs when they decided they wanted a cell phone. They wanted the phone, so they paid the bill. When my oldest graduated, he decided not to attend college. He was working at the local pizza parlor at the time. I told him either enroll in college or go out and get a full time job with benefits. He surprised all of us and got a great job!!
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princess07031980 (1850) | 5 months ago | It can definitely happen-there are jobs that people can lucky with-and in fact, get great pay and pay benefits, sometimes even better than those who in fact do have a college degree! What I don't understand are parents who allow their children to drop out of school, and then a llot them to drop from an alternative program, and STILL the kids chooses to do nothing with themselves. I see no great satisfaction in living off of someone else. But I think people today are genuinely lazy and they just don't care if they have nothing to show for themselves. Even if that means just to have their own place and maybe a car. They are free loading-all the way to transportation and food!
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| | | 10. MasonL (86) | 5 months ago | I think that if teens intend to drop out of high school, the next step is that they plan to learn a trade, and that they are not planning to Idle. If teens don't do something possitive with their lives they are going to regret it. I don't support the dropping out of hight school thing,but if the dropping out or kicking out happens, they should get themselves involve in something that will affect their lives in a possitive way that will help them in the future.
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