Why did we elect Obama?

This is true. So, why wasn't Clinton nominated? She's not my fist pick...but she had a great following amongst liberals.

I believe it is the first link I posted that discusses her refusal to fight a 'real' fight against Obama. Or was it the media that got him elected? Their refusal to bring to the public forum many of these issues....his radical views and radical associates?

Seeing what I'm seeing now I don't think its that easy to say Clinton could of been even better, she was actually my first pick. The whole "secret meeting" her and Obama has was minutely reported on and I think reporters that were aloud to follow her around when she skid of the plane without explanation said they weren't even made aware of her meeting with Obama without the press being there.

Hillary Clinton SPONSORED(2007) the bill in the Senate (and Arlen Spector) for the U.S.Public Service Academy in the first place was unsettling. On the USPSA website its declared "a flagship institution designed to build a "more perfect union" by developing leaders of skill and character dedicated to service in the public sector...Much the way that the words “West Point” conjure up images of disciplined young soldiers..so too will the Academy’s campus become a national landmark." http://www.msnbc.msn.com/... About Universal Healthcare she said:
(at 2008 Congressional Black Caucaus Debate)

". If a Democrat doesn’t stand for universal health care that includes every single American, you can see the consequences of what that will mean.

..“You know what? Everybody has got to be covered.” There’s only three ways of doing it. You can have a single-payer system, you can require employers, or you can have individual responsibility. My plan combines employers and individual responsibility, while maintaining Medicare and Medicaid. The whole idea of universal health care is such a core Democratic principle that I am willing to go to the mat for it. I’ve been there before. I will be there again. I am not giving in;"

In 2000 she supported The Hyde Park Declaration:

"Their goal was to begin drafting a statement of New Democrat principles and a broad national policy agenda for the next decade. This manifesto, The Hyde Park Declaration, is the result of their work.[dlc.org]"

It seems to me she could have been more aggressive in her campaign. Perhaps she and McCain were afraid of the fallout...and damaging there futures.

It was not a surprise when her position was announced...as Sec. of State. I just shook my head and told my daughter..bet that was planned from the first. Who knows...she sold out, is all I know. And I was not even a supporter of hers. I don't care for her politics either.

I did feel for here when monicagate hit the press...as a woman. But you know...she got through it and held her head high...more than I could have said for myself in the same situation.

And you don't feel Obama said one thing and is doing another on any of the issues?

i am not saying he isn't i am just saying everyone does but i believe just like many others he is the better man for the job

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So we have to accept our leaders saying one thing and doing another? Surely we are not that hard up for good leaders amongst our people?

How do you feel he is doing a good job..with the deficit at 1.84 trillion and climbing? What I am reading from the conservative side..and some liberals...we are treading very thin ice economically.

Don't tell me that some of that is Bush's fault...he left office with 482 billion dollar deficit and that was so unacceptable that we elected a novice...with radical socialist views...just to be rid of a republican. Now we are looking at 1.84 TRILLION. That's 12 zeros...compared to 9 zeros in a billion.


1,840,000,000,000
482,000,000,000
1,358,000,000,000 differance!

And yet people still say they couldn't bear another four years with someone like Bush?

I agree...the cult of personality is how I've heard it described. Those who actually CANNOT SEE THE WRONG even when presented to them logically.

i could not vote in your country...but my mom oculd.i watch the news everyday and I couldn' figure out why soooo many people voted for him.i always thought voters nowadays are more thinking. with everything that came out during the campaign perios, people still trusted that guy?

i never trusted him from the very start.that man has a lot to hide.very dangerous.

The media was bought off...the people were lied to. And it's been a long time since we were a thinking people...as a whole. Our young people have been dumbed down in the schools..our colleges teach radical views as truth and twist history to suit them. The common people....the ones who PAY the bills in this country didn't trust him either, but what do WE know. Now we are stuck with him while he willy nilly hands out cash for clunkers, college tuition grants and bails out banks, buys up one of our largest industries...and breaks campaign promises...all the while lying to us about his agenda for healthcare.

So where are you from? It's interesting that you are not American and say you did not trust him and that he is dangerous....would love to hear some detail as to why you feel that way.

the one thing I am very suspicious of...is how he was able to run a well-funded campaign like that..

oh boy he must have some really RICH friends....

oh sorry i forgot to answer your question..
my mom is an american..my dad is a Filipino.

i am in the philiipnes right now..

some of my family are there though...


i was even disgusted when a few of my cousins voted for Obama...!


they have mixed views on the guy...

but personally.... I could never trust or like him...at all!

I agree with patof there.
i am from philippines too.even here there are mixed impressions about obama.
but i myself do not trust that guy.
i could not believe why americans elected him

debrakcarey, I think you hit it on the head with your previous comment about the media glorifying him and the "dumbing down" of our society as a whole. I went through the school system in the '90s and am now in college. In middle/high school, they only taught to the Florida standardized tests and focused on those kids who were not performing while those of us who excelled were left twiddling our thumbs. Now that I'm in college, and gone through four years of it, it's unbelievable how the teachers here teach history and any type of social study. They teach propaganda and leftist thought with no shame. In my last history class, they actually taught that we dropped the atom bombs on Japan because they were a different race than we were. Anyways, thanks for making sense. So many people don't mix logic and politics any more, it's refreshing to see someone else who does.

wcwdedumo & patofgold, I think that your being from the Philipines has saved you from the propoganda and the hype. lol It is refreshing to see some sense in the world of nations.

dboman...I applaud your resistance to the indoctrination as well. It is my opinon that this was all planed out, very well thought out...and going to be very hard to stop. Christians have noticed for at least two, maybe three decades the trend of anti American thought within our own country and have atributed it to the cirriculum of the schools and the media. It is so sad that a people who had such freedom, have thrown it away. Not enough spoke up when it first became apparent. They feared the machine...they feared being ridiculed.

As for where the money for his campaign came from...here's a link

http://www.newsmeat.com/campaign_contributions_to_politicians/donor_list.php?candidate_id=P80003338

Yes, there IS that element within the ranks of Obama supporters.

The campaign appealed to the young with the internet and 'change' and to the hard core liberal with his radical views and associates, and to the middle ground American with his 'not like Bush' presentation.

There is also this as well....

http://www.aim.org/guest-column/obamas-civilian-troops-were-trained-by-ayers/

I am copy & pasting part of that article here as some won't bother to click on it..but I feel it is a very important thing to understand about the election and them man we got as our leader.
From Destiny's link:

But were it not for the "Destructive Generation" instantiating themselves in our schools, the election of Barack Obama would not have been possible. Had we had a generation who understood history, we would have had voters who understood the vacuity of his rhetoric and the implications of "spreading the wealth." They would have understood how his writings on Saul Alinsky displayed his propensity for stirring up racial animus, demonizing the opposition, and threatening executives with "pitchfork" mobs (that he would rouse up). We would have seen how his teaching a course on "critical race theory" would naturally lead to a nomination of a Supreme Court justice who sees herself as a "wise Latina woman" who can "empathize."

I encourage all to read the entire article.

These are the same points that many of us were warning about prior to the election... to no avail...

It's time to start reaffirming the values that enable America to become great. We lost it..do to laziness and inattention.

That is a main point of the TEA Parties, and the protests at these Townhall meetings.... except now the democrats are either canceling their meetings or doing them over the phone or in union halls.

The democrats are on the run, they are in trouble and they know it.

There's one in my town on the 31st. You had to have been signed up at the website of the Senator to attend...and that wasn't published until last nights paper (the 28th). I went to the website when I got home from work and all the slots have been taken. I bet my life they're democrats that are signed up to attend. Paper also stated that police and ambulances would be present.

That just shows that these meetings are now being carefully orchestrated.

Look for a lot of fluff, but little substance.

Or outright manipulation of who can attend while keeping the illusion of 'open'.

HEY it's Tanker...thanks for stopping by!

He used the media..the internet in particular to reach THOSE kinds of voters. Rock the Vote is sending out emails asking for donations to help spread the word on Healthcare reform and stop the lies of the bad bad Republicans....I sent them a note via their contact tab....nice and polite. I encourage everyone to do the same. The email was inflamatory and most of it vague, some of it untrue.

Every politician since George Washington's replacement has promised change....I think many voted for him to see History made...and that alone was enough.

What are you smoking? McCain was not for the war and he was not for Gitmo either...being a POW made him much more sensitive to the problems war caused.
You need to get your facts before you make a blanket statement like that.

Oh please, horns! John McCain is nothing but a war trained combatant who believes nothing can be done without war! To truly understand John "Wayne" McCain and his likes, you will have to first understand fighter pilots! Fighter pilots are beings trained to eliminate anyone or target: These beings are soulless and are trained to fight and kill anyone with opposing viewpoint. Try watching the documentary "Fighter Pilot" and you will then understand the likes of John "Wayne McCain!

Let me guess....a liberal dove?

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When your enemies have sworn to destoy western civilization...I'd want a fighting man in the White House any day.

And how do you see that Obama is any different? We're still in Iraq and Afganistan has just got MORE American soldiers thanks to Obama? So...what's up with that?

Guess they didn't want to answer you Deb.....

Oh, I'm sure they will and they will be calling me a war monger when they do.

I am a peaceful person. But life has taught me that peace is something worth fighting for. That there is no peace when evil and inhumanity is allowed to flurish. Human nature has taught me that bullys will stand up and if you don't stand up to them...they will get worse and worse.

I also realize that there will NEVER be true peace on this human run earth. And the best we can do is stand up for what is true and right.

I hate war...I despise tyranny.

Ditto....and I have to say I've been that way all my life.
When my daughter was a teenager she kept getting into confrontations with this idiotic girl...and it came to blows one night a week before her graduation...I was furious and was telling my husband that on the way to the ER I was not gonna stand for anymore of this baloney.....and he just smiled....I asked him why and he said that our daughter was just like me. Which made me angry....and I said "When did you ever see me fight?!!" to which he replied...."I've never seen you fight but I"ve seen you bristle up a few times!" And he's right.
The thing is; I don't start fights...but I surely will finish them.
So that is why I'm not against the fight against people that want to hurt my fellow Americans...even the Nancy Pelosi's of this nation....

Well...I can see you and I are alike in one more way.....

It takes a lot to get me to that point...but when I do, I've made grown men run for cover.

I remember something I was told as a child by my father. Who was an atheist btw...he said the term separation of church and state is not in any of our founding documents...but guess where it is in a state document? The Soviet Union under the communitsts.

I don't believe in state sponsored religion...but the twisting of what our documents DO say about religion; "Congress shall make no law respecting and establishment of religion, OR prohibiting the free exercise thereof....has led to God being thrown out of our public lives. It is not just Christianity that is a 'religion'. A religion is an organized set of beliefs in a higher power. And I think secular humanism with MAN as the highest power counts as a religion...and we have LAWS making it so in our schools and our colleges...the new temples of humanism.

Take a look at that sentence from amendment I of our Constitution...'or the free exercise thereof'.

This all is the real reason why.... for all these years kids have not been told the truth of their great heritage...any quotes by our founding fathers that mention the need for God in public life have been expunged from the books and minds of the American children for two-three decades now.

http://www.scribd.com/doc... two examples of the war against Christianity in our country. We have opened the door to our own demise...invited it in and gave it hospitality.

Haven't we though....and no one seems to care....at least by media terms that is!

Debrakcarey, believe ye me, these people will not be after the US had we not first meddled in their private affairs with our goal of propping puppet governments for world domination; thus making living more difficult for the average/common folks of these nations!

And often times saved their b*tts from dictators intent on killing and enslaving them. Or actually FREEING them from dictators and despots.

There is a seedy side to our past....I am the first to admit it. I am part Native American.

And when you are the big kid on the block you do have to conduct yourself responsibily. I also think that alot of the negative PR America gets is not deserved.

Netsbridge... These people have been at war with us for over 200 years... or did you forget about the Barbary pirates and the Battle of Tripoli?

Educate yourself.

I don't see American citizens in the streets carrying signs saying DEATH TO MUSLIMS. I don't see American citizens in the streets saying BEHEAD THE INFIDELS.

But I do see radical Muslims all over the world killing and threatening to kill peaceful people going about their normal lives.

And laws being passed in predominately Christian countries giving Muslims rights that the citizens of those countries don't have.

I don't fall for the big bad American propaganda.

Our government has done some underhanded and illegal things when it comes to the rest of the world....but for the most part our track record is a whole lot better than the Arab world...look at Iran and their recent election. You want to talk despots and a puppet regime? I heard a CNN report on the violence there...it was pitiful...a young woman crying out to America and ISRAEL to help the people of Iran.

Don't come here to this discussion spouting lies, please!

Like the trillions already spent by this bonehead we have in the office now?
That enough change for you? How about your grandchildren and their grandchildren....think they'll be too thrilled about your "change"?

I agree that many people were tired of the wars, but I disagree that people thought "billions per month was too much!" We are spending even more, and are likely to continue to see even larger amounts being spent.

According to the USA world report we are spending billions a month but on both Iraq and Afghanistan...
Here is the link...
www.usatoday.com/news/.../iraq/2003-09-07-cover-costs_x.htm

Did Obama stop the war and no one told us? He hasn't kept his promises about bringing the troops home and last I saw, his administration was predicting another decade in Iraq.

He did start releasing prisoners from Gitmo in order to fulfill his promise to close it down, a move that the American people were against. The majority don't want Guantanamo closed.

Face it, Obama hasn't kept the promises that meant anything to anyone - hope, change and transparency - and everything he does is against the will of the majority of the people.

Obama voted to fund that war during those 8 years, btw.

I am simply telling you all why we elected Barack H. Obama: The thinking people had had enough of wars!

Now, has Obama stopped the wars? Nope; but that's another issue altogether! One thing to bear in mind is that our government is very warlike and has come to believe that we can only prosper by making wars (even when not necessary)! The Lockheeds, KBR, etc. will seize to exist should we start focusing in making peace. And as you and I very well know, most of our brothers and sisters will be on the street and be killing each other were it not for wars! I guess the need to vent out on others distract from our own sorry reality. Sad survival philosophy!

WARS ARE STARTED BY BANKERS. ASk the Rothchilds, and the Roosevelts.

Bush was very unpopular and McCain was not what we on the right considered a candidate we agreed with on many issues. Obama ran as a moderate. He actually said he would cut taxes for small business. Also with his claim he would cut taxes for 95% of Americans sounded very appealing. After he got elected he spent more than all presidents from George Washington thru GW Bush! All of his policies the people don't want,hence his plummeting poll numbers. Now people are catching on what he really wanted to do all along. Who out there really believes people want what Saul Alinsky author of "Rules for Radicals" wants? Do we want to crash the entire economy and say capitalism failed,we need socialism? Who doesn't believe in the free market and freedom? I have a message for all statist,socialist and communists. WE WILL DEFEAT YOU.

Oh..I know greatdebater...that is what we were told we were sick of. But I think this summer we got an earful of what Americans are sick of...loud and clear.

Carson, the "Free Market" DIDN'T WORK under Bush. He used every free market principle, and it led to the SOCIALISM. If it wasn't for the American government spending hundreds of BILLIONS bailing out their mess then no one knows where we would be. There has never been one country ran on pure capitalist ideals, you always have some form of Socialism. If capitalism is such a great idea, and works so much better than any other then why hasn't anyone tried it?

deb, we weren't told that, we WERE. We were sick of 8 years of the rich making millions, and the middle class using their houses to try to pay their bills. This last economic expansion was based on the wealth making more money, and spending more money. Look at where we are today, and you see why our economy is in the shape it is. The only person to blame for that is Bush.

Because he knew how to talk..He knew what we wanted to hear. I mean why did people follow Hitler, same deal...I voted Mccain although I think Hilary Clinton could've done a good job too.

Greatdebater....read this and then come back to 'debate'.

http://www.ashbrook.org/publicat/onprin/v1n3/thompson.html

As for lies told by past administration....

http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/fashion-shows/


As for Bush's so called lies of WMD in Iraq...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25546334/

Socialism IS already here greatdebater...it's called the 'Welfare State'. Millions of people living off the largess of the working people. You support them too, if you work. Have you ever complained of high taxation? How about the countries that do have a socialist government...

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1568722/obama_socialism_and_the_decline_of.html?cat=2


http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/56207/list_of_socialist_countries_with_individual.html

And here's just a little something else for your education on socialism.

http://mises.org/story/1937

I wonder what YOU would actually think...if by some twist of fate you were transported to a socialist state? Like Cuba perhaps?

http://books.google.com/books?id=N2P5n3rU7EkC&pg=PA14&lpg=PA14&dq=waiting+in+a+socialist+line&source=bl&ots=33taHXYvg8&sig=8j0aK364LDLMrCfvIroliwDAdP8&hl=en&ei=r0eZSrLSMYqe8QaOurS7BQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9#v=onepage&q=&f=false

Bilderberg is an extremely influential lobbying group. That's not to say though that the organisers don't have a hidden agenda, they do, namely acumulation of wealth and power into their own hands whilst explaining to the participants that globalisation is for the good of all. It is also a very good forum for 'interviewing' potential future political figures such as Clinton (1991) and Blair (1993). [see above for more on this]

The ideology put forward at the Bilderberg conferences is that what's good for banking and big business is good for the mere mortals of the world. Silently banished are the critical voices, those that might point out that debt is spiralling out of control, that wealth is being sucked away from ordinary people and into the hands of the faceless corporate institutions, that millions are dying as a direct result of the global heavyweight Rockefeller/Rothschild economic strategies.

http://www.bilderberggroup.net/

Oh please! Before you all get carried away in philosophy, let me remind you that what is happening in Washington DC has nothing to do with any philosophical idealism. Those people in DC only care about their bank accounts and in keeping us under control! I do not think that they understand the ideas of free market or inclusive democracy, all the ideas of philosophical "radicals," as they were then called!

But the people financing them do....again, ask the Rothchilds and the Roosevelts.