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myLot reputation of 48/100. sndcain36 (2691) 3 years ago

I'm reposting this discussion because the links in the original didn't post correctly

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Doctors left a premature baby to die because he was born two days too early, his devastated mother claimed yesterday. Sarah Capewell begged them to save her tiny son,... who was born just 21 weeks and five days into her pregnancy - almost four months early.

 

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tags:  babies, premature, socialized medicine, uk
 
1. myLot reputation of 80/100. angelsmummy (1253)   ranked 1,531 out of 3,703 in had children   3 years ago

I have just replied to your other discussion. It is disgusting that they allowed this child to die! When I was pregnant with my second daughter I had a show at 31 weeks and they gave me steroid injections to build up her lungs but luckily for me she didnt make an apperance until I was 38 weeks. This is awful this woman has suffered 5 miscarriages, she proably wont try for another due to the heartache of losing 6 children now.


myLot reputation of 48/100. sndcain36 (2691)  3 years ago

I suffered a placental abruption at 33 weeks and began hemorrhaging and my son was born 7 weeks early. A placental abruption is a rare but very serious complication that could have killed not just my son but me as well. I am grateful every day for the staff at DePaul Medical Center in Norfolk VA for saving our lives.

When people complain about health care in the US I simply remember that had my son been born in nearly any other country his chances of survival would have went down considerably.

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myLot reputation of 80/100. angelsmummy (1253)   ranked 1,531 out of 3,703 in had children  3 years ago

Awww I got told that I might have that but a scan revealed that I didnt I didnt get told what it was though. Awww Im so sorry to hear that but at least you both made it!

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2. myLot reputation of 98/100. maximax8 (17670)   ranked 95 out of 3,703 in had children   3 years ago

My toddler son was born in 2007 and he spent three weeks in a special care baby unit. I thought medical staff would try to keep any premature baby alive. I didn't think there was a cut off date. I have heard about babies born at 23 and 24 weeks living if they have they respond well to medical care. It is worth trying to save the life of any premature babies.

At the moment two of my friends are pregnant. One is due on 27th February 2010 and the other is due on 2nd March. I find it sick that a hospital thought they could let a premature baby to die because it would be against the rules to help him. They are willing to do an abortion for any lady up to 24 weeks pregnancy. They offered me an abortion at 36 weeks pregnancy. I said no way and think they have some very silly rules.


myLot reputation of 62/100. AngryKittyMSV (1913)   ranked 1,721 out of 3,703 in had children  3 years ago

They offered me an abortion at 36 weeks pregnancy.

Oh my GOD! My son was born at 30 weeks and my daughter at 34 weeks! My daughter required no special care aside from other's love.


myLot reputation of 48/100. sndcain36 (2691)  3 years ago

36 weeks? I can hardly wrap my head around that.

My 2nd child was born at 33 weeks and spent 19 days in NICU; I thank God everyday he wasn't born in the UK.


myLot reputation of 98/100. maximax8 (17670)   ranked 95 out of 3,703 in had children  3 years ago

I found out through an ultrasound scan when I was 36 weeks pregnant that my baby has spina bifida and hydrocephalus. I was so shocked they offered me an abortion in the morning and in the afternoon we got to see the special care baby unit in the afternoon. My son was born at home and spent the first three weeks in the special care baby unit. He had two operations. He is now 2 and a half years old.


myLot reputation of 48/100. sndcain36 (2691)  3 years ago

Wow....God bless you and your son.


myLot reputation of 98/100. maximax8 (17670)   ranked 95 out of 3,703 in had children  3 years ago

Thanks. In the UK National Health Scheme is far from being perfect. One time a hospital mixed up smear tests. That led to some ladies dying. My baby girl was due on 25th June but she was born two days later. Two days can make a difference to whether a premature baby is given medical care.


myLot reputation of 48/100. sndcain36 (2691)  3 years ago

I don't envy you your health care, and we are fighting tooth an nail to keep anything like it from happening here. 0bama and his buddies WANT a single payer system and they are doing everything they can to get it through the back door.

People have to stop listening to the lies 0bama is telling NOW and listen to the truths he's said in the past that reveal what he really thinks and wants. 0bama got elected on the strength of his speeches, which were well crafted lies designed to win the confidence of the electorate and people completely ignored what he really stands for. I can hardly wrap my head around how gullible people are.

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3. myLot reputation of 62/100. AngryKittyMSV (1913)   ranked 1,721 out of 3,703 in had children   3 years ago

My two year old son is alive today thanks to the excellent care he received in NICU as a premature baby. I am horrified at what may have happened had he been born in a place such as that poor woman's innocent child that they murdered by way of negligence. Who knows what great things that baby could have grown up to do had he been allowed to live? This child was WANTED ad LOVED, he would have survived if only they'd helped him a bit!

Keep in mind that Obama is being advised by one guy who feels that it is acceptable to "abort" a child UP TO TWO YEARS AFTER IT IS BORN (Holdren), and another czar (Emmanuel) who thinks it is RIGHT to deny lifesaving care to children under 15 years of age or over 40 years of age! THESE ae the people who will help Obama shape the policies for healthcare in the US if the socialized medicine goes through.


myLot reputation of 48/100. sndcain36 (2691)  3 years ago

I am a big fan of the NICU. They saved my son's life as well.

0bama obviously wouldn't have a problem endorsing that rule here as well; he voted to deny medical care to children who survive abortions and like you pointed out his buddy Zeke thinks infanticide is a good idea.



myLot reputation of 98/100. maximax8 (17670)   ranked 95 out of 3,703 in had children  3 years ago

I am so delighted that your son survived and received excellent medical care. Yes, the baby boy was "wanted and loved" but rules meant the baby boy was left to die. Obama knows people with some very strange views.


myLot reputation of 84/100. sparkofinsanity (3868)  3 years ago

So much for the "Sanctity of Life" eh? So much for "...all equal under the law", so much for the "...right to the pursuit of happiness". In fact, rather makes you wonder of these fools in the White House have a secret admiration for an "Aryian only race" (but including other colors of course as long as they were 'superior'....guess that's progress from Hitler's day!)

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4. myLot reputation of 84/100. sparkofinsanity (3868)   3 years ago

This is beyond being outrageous! This child was BORN, it had all it's moving parts, strong heartbeat and breathed on it's own. Surely discretion could have been used to waive those two damn days and give it a fighting chance! So much for the Hippocratic Oath eh? If this had happened in a third world country I wouldn't have been surprised. But ENGLAND? I'm sickened. And they were following GUIDELINES not fixed policy. Do none of the Doctors know the meaning of a discretionary decision? Shameful!
In a good hospital in the States, I really can't see this happening, and it certainly wouldn't happen in Canada, but hells bells, your Pres. scares me with his medicare ideas and who knows what the future brings.

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5. myLot reputation of 100/100. dorannmwin (17646)   ranked 123 out of 3,703 in had children   3 years ago

This is just awful for the mother. How could a medical professional (team of medical professionals) not do anything in their power to save the baby. I know that my heart wouldn't allow me to do what they did. I'd fight for the child until the last possible moment. Now, we will never know if the baby would have made it. In today's world of all the high-tech medical care, more and more premature babies are surviving and her son could have been a miracle.
An event like this would both shatter my dreams of being a mother in light of the previous miscarriage and it would also shatter my confidence in medical professionals.


myLot reputation of 62/100. AngryKittyMSV (1913)   ranked 1,721 out of 3,703 in had children  3 years ago

If something like that happened to me I'd lose my mind and become a VERY dangerous individual. If my last chance to be a mom was taken away because their willful neglect caused my child to DIE, there is no telling what I'd do but I would most certainly seek some sort of vengeance. I'd have nothing left to lose...

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6. myLot reputation of 98/100. James72 (7104)   3 years ago

Life is LIFE for God's sake and this was a special little human being. What did they possibly have to lose by at least TRYING to save this baby boy? Stories like this break my heart and it's such a tragic set of circumstances. 2 days too early??? What an absolute crock of sh!t. sad And what about THIS section from the article:

"Miss Capewell, 23, said doctors refused to even see her son Jayden, who lived for almost two hours without any medical support.

She said he was breathing unaided, had a strong heartbeat and was even moving his arms and legs, but medics refused to admit him to a special care baby unit."


Her Son lived for 2 hours unassisted before he passed away??? How could the medical staff NOT see this as a sign that this little baby boy had a fighting chance? How could we possibly ever imagine what those 2 hours must have been like for the Mother? cry I understand the need for rules and regulations, but there are ALWAYS exceptions and this should've been one of them.

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7. myLot reputation of 92/100. dumblnddzzy (10631)   ranked 404 out of 3,703 in had children   3 years ago

This is so phucking sick to do this to that baby & his mother..how utterly sad this is.. i feel so bad for the poor mother & jayden...Such sad things coming out in thenews about children...lori

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8. myLot reputation of 60/100. MysticTomatoes (895)   ranked 3,302 out of 3,703 in had children   3 years ago

And people really want 0bama to mandate our health care system? If you think this is bad, imagine what it's going to be like after a few months of 0's Animal Farm medicine system.

The grief this poor woman is feeling is understandable. I was lucky that my DD was born without complications through a c-section. She was born a couple days before her actual due date, but my OB assured me that everything was fine and it was OK for her to be born. I can't imagine having to go through something like this. Just obsurd that with all the medical intervention that doctors felt 2 days was a death sentence.

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9. myLot reputation of 96/100. dawnald (24273)   ranked 117 out of 3,703 in had children   3 years ago

That's just wrong. In a day and age where modern medicine is learning how to save younger and younger preemies, who's to say that this one couldn't have been saved?

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10. myLot reputation of 95/100. Hatley (48804)   ranked 579 out of 3,703 in had children   3 years ago

hi sndcain36 this is unbelievable how can a doctor do something like'this? What rules this I do not belive, I have worked in hospitals all my life and have never heard of such a rule. could the mother possibly have been mistaken? maybe they did all they could and the baby died anyway. doctors are human they are not God. four months early would be almost impossible to save at all.


myLot reputation of 62/100. AngryKittyMSV (1913)   ranked 1,721 out of 3,703 in had children  3 years ago

This was in the UK where they have universal healthcare that requires them to have rules about denying care to people who need it. This COULD happen here if we adopt a similar plan.


myLot reputation of 48/100. sndcain36 (2691)  3 years ago

There's no way she could be mistaken when they told her they simply refused to treat her son because he was too premature. He lived for two hours with no medical intervention at all.

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