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Elton John wishes to adopt a baby boy..... Yes or no?   email this discussion to a friend?

myLot reputation of 98/100. James72 (7104)   ranked 5 out of 4,346 in have discussion on day to day issues 3 years ago

It's been all over CNN the last day or so that Elton John met a baby boy at an AIDS charity event in the Ukraine. The little fellow that Elton and his partner David Furnish woshed to adopt is 14 months old and HIV positive. Authorities have apparently said no to his bid already because he's considered to be too old and is unmarried.

So, do you believe it was a fair decision? Do you think his same-sex relationship status also played a part in the decision or is it clear cut on the age/marriage front?

And please, no homophobic references of any description will be tolerated in this discussion. If you dare to go down that path, consider yourself warned.

 

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1. myLot reputation of 78/100. Outcast (334)   ranked 2,254 out of 4,346 in have discussion on day to day issues   3 years ago

I don't see a problem with it. He has the chance to give the little boy a life only some can just dream about. I say let him have a chance at rasing the little boy why the little boy. It is bad enough the little baby is HIV positive. Let him live a great life where someone would truly love him and has the means to take care of him.


myLot reputation of 98/100. James72 (7104)   ranked 5 out of 4,346 in have discussion on day to day issues  3 years ago

According to Ukrainian adoption laws, an adopting parent canot be more than 45 years older than the child up for adoption. Seeing as Elton John is 62, he's way outside of this rule on the age front. There's no question that Elton John and his partner would be in a very strong position to take care of this little boy exceptionally well, but I can also understand how the authorities don't wish to bend the rules.

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2. myLot reputation of 99/100. Aliceinwebland (5358)   3 years ago

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myLot reputation of 99/100. Aliceinwebland (5358)  3 years ago

doh I didn't realize Elton was that age, but still think the same. I understand the aspect of the Ukraine law and what it recognizes, maybe they should've thought about all that before applying to adopt the child. Why not adopt a British baby anyway? Maybe these stars are just used to the attention and looking for more!


myLot reputation of 98/100. James72 (7104)   ranked 5 out of 4,346 in have discussion on day to day issues  3 years ago

He does come across as sincere..... It's just a shame that he chose such a late stage of his life to try and go down this path.

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3. myLot reputation of 95/100. The_Lamb_Lies_Down (6932)   3 years ago

Ohhhh....you have no idea what kind of things I wanna say just because you said don't say them that I normally wouldn't say anyway but now want to just because...

Well...are there any strictly hetero unmarried men of Elton's age that HAVE been awarded an adoption? If so, then I would say Elton's sexual preference was a deciding factor, even though it shouldn't be.

If not, then actually Elton's preference shouldn't even be mentioned as regards to the decision.

Just my take on it...


myLot reputation of 98/100. James72 (7104)   ranked 5 out of 4,346 in have discussion on day to day issues  3 years ago

This is perfectly logical reasoning on your part if you ask me! thumbup I'm not sure of historical cases here, but you'd think that if there WAS a precedent, we'll be hearing about it very soon.


myLot reputation of 95/100. Hatley (48702)   ranked 487 out of 4,346 in have discussion on day to day issues  3 years ago

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myLot reputation of 98/100. James72 (7104)   ranked 5 out of 4,346 in have discussion on day to day issues  3 years ago

So far it appears the answer is no, but I'm sure Elton John will have people looking for loopholes and angles to try and make this a reality.


myLot reputation of 96/100. dawnald (24262)   ranked 351 out of 4,346 in have discussion on day to day issues  3 years ago

say it say it


myLot reputation of 98/100. James72 (7104)   ranked 5 out of 4,346 in have discussion on day to day issues  3 years ago

Jeez you're a stirrer Dawn! lol


myLot reputation of 99/100. Aliceinwebland (5358)  3 years ago

Well...are there any strictly hetero unmarried men of Elton's age that HAVE been awarded an adoption? Good point lamb, but even that would be irrelevant when it's concerning Ukraine law. I agree with Hatley, the child's welfare should be what's important.

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4. myLot reputation of 95/100. Hatley (48702)   ranked 487 out of 4,346 in have discussion on day to day issues   3 years ago

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myLot reputation of 98/100. James72 (7104)   ranked 5 out of 4,346 in have discussion on day to day issues  3 years ago

Hi Hatley. I'm certainly not a homophobe either and never have been or will be! I agree that Elton John has the money and also the right intentions here, but laws are laws and I can understand if the Ukrainian authorities wish to stick to them. It'll be interesting to see if there are any further developments in this case.


myLot reputation of 99/100. Aliceinwebland (5358)  3 years ago

I feel the same Hatley, but whu do these stars have to make it hard. They all seem to want children from developing countries? Why not adopt from home?
Madonna, Angelina Jolie, now Elton, is it really for the children or for their own gratification?

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5. myLot reputation of 97/100. alokn99 (3001)   ranked 287 out of 4,346 in have discussion on day to day issues   3 years ago

The laws may have a point from the upbringing of the child in normal circumstances from an age perspective. But this is a case which does not meet those criteria in my perspective. The boy is HIV positive and Elton John is a celebrity. While the celebrity angle can be overlloked the HIV aspect should have been given an aopportunity.Look at the other side of it as well. They do not let him adopt. What happens to the boy ?
They may have also refused him the adoption request also based on what you have mentioned above. They should accommodate this request in my opinion James.


myLot reputation of 98/100. James72 (7104)   ranked 5 out of 4,346 in have discussion on day to day issues  3 years ago

I'm still in two minds about all of this. Yes, I do agree that it's ultimately the welfare of this little boy that matters and Elton John is certainly in the position to love and care for him well; but laws are laws and making exceptions triggers precedents. I can appreciate the authorities wishing to preserve their guidelines and rules when you consider what I've just shared. They may even be concerned that people would see them to have bent these rules BECAUSE of Elton John's celebrity status? I doubt this will be the end of the matter either seeing as there is so much publicity now. Look at Madonna's case. She was rejected, the media stepped in and then after heaps of attention to the case, the decision was reversed. The laws were different in the country she chose to adopt from though. (Malawi I think it was) Let's wait and see!

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6. myLot reputation of 96/100. dawnald (24262)   ranked 351 out of 4,346 in have discussion on day to day issues   3 years ago

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myLot reputation of 96/100. dawnald (24262)   ranked 351 out of 4,346 in have discussion on day to day issues  3 years ago

Yeah, well their laws....
I can understand that they wouldn't make an exception just because he's rich and famous.


myLot reputation of 98/100. James72 (7104)   ranked 5 out of 4,346 in have discussion on day to day issues  3 years ago

That too, yes. They may feel that to change the rules for him would be seen as favouritism due to his celebrity status. It paves the way for future appeals from people NOT in the same position in life as Elton John as well. As per usual, it's complicated!


myLot reputation of 99/100. Aliceinwebland (5358)  3 years ago

Just what age is he? 61 years older than the child, ...doing the math lol ok he's 62 (and 2 months lol) that's not too old IMO. Not as old as the one in dawns discussion.


myLot reputation of 98/100. James72 (7104)   ranked 5 out of 4,346 in have discussion on day to day issues  3 years ago

Fair enough Alice, but I guess when a law states that an age difference of up to 45 years only is applicable, then 62 seems a lot older than it actually is!

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7. myLot reputation of 86/100. razcal2267 (9670)   3 years ago

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myLot reputation of 98/100. James72 (7104)   ranked 5 out of 4,346 in have discussion on day to day issues  3 years ago

Yes, I definitely think that in this particular instance, the age factor maybe shouldn't carry as much sway when you consider the wealth Elton John has and his obvious sincerity here; but if a precedent is set, what about future cases? Will they be as favourable? Authorities would always be reluctant to make exceptions and I do understand that. I'm interested to see if this case ends up being taken further.

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8. myLot reputation of 100/100. PeacefulWmn9 (3480)   ranked 624 out of 4,346 in have discussion on day to day issues   3 years ago

happy Hi James. I read the article, and I don't think his sexual preferences played a role at all, really. The person interviewed said the age and marital status rule were the same for everyone...kings, presidents, etc.

Karen


myLot reputation of 98/100. James72 (7104)   ranked 5 out of 4,346 in have discussion on day to day issues  3 years ago

Hi Karen. At this moment in time, I tend to think along similar lines. At least this appears to be the case on the surface! The age rule especially is nowhere near adhered to and I can understand the Ukrainians not wishing to change the rules in this case. Let's see what happens from here!

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9. myLot reputation of 67/100. JodiLynn (572)   ranked 2,754 out of 4,346 in have discussion on day to day issues   3 years ago

The govt cannot be seen as having allowed "the purchase" of TWO of it's orphans by a mega star. The wee lad has a brother and it's been stated they were to be adopted together or not at all, in addition to the age/sexuality issues. I feel for Elton, he waited so long to (his quote) "settle down enough to have kids", and now his precautions have stolen this chance of adopting Lev & his brother.
Sexual discrimination sucks!cry


myLot reputation of 98/100. James72 (7104)   ranked 5 out of 4,346 in have discussion on day to day issues  3 years ago

If this IS sexual discrimination, then I agree qwith you 100%, but is it? So far it doesn't seem to be that blatant. The age issue and their non-recognition of his marital status are in direct contradiction of their laws. Thanks for pointing out this angle concerning the little boy's brother too. I wasn't aware of this aspect at all!

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