Elton John wishes to adopt a baby boy..... Yes or no?  |
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| It's been all over CNN the last day or so that Elton John met a baby boy at an AIDS charity event in the Ukraine. The little fellow that Elton and his partner David Furnish woshed to adopt is 14 months old and HIV positive. Authorities have apparently said no to his bid already because he's considered to be too old and is unmarried. So, do you believe it was a fair decision? Do you think his same-sex relationship status also played a part in the decision or is it clear cut on the age/marriage front? And please, no homophobic references of any description will be tolerated in this discussion. If you dare to go down that path, consider yourself warned. | | | | | |
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1. Outcast (334)
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3 years ago
| | I don't see a problem with it. He has the chance to give the little boy a life only some can just dream about. I say let him have a chance at rasing the little boy why the little boy. It is bad enough the little baby is HIV positive. Let him live a great life where someone would truly love him and has the means to take care of him. | | | | | | |
James72 (7104)
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3 years ago
| | According to Ukrainian adoption laws, an adopting parent canot be more than 45 years older than the child up for adoption. Seeing as Elton John is 62, he's way outside of this rule on the age front. There's no question that Elton John and his partner would be in a very strong position to take care of this little boy exceptionally well, but I can also understand how the authorities don't wish to bend the rules. | | | |
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James72 (7104)
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3 years ago
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James72 (7104)
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3 years ago
| | He does come across as sincere..... It's just a shame that he chose such a late stage of his life to try and go down this path. | | | |
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3. The_Lamb_Lies_Down (6932)
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3 years ago
| | Ohhhh....you have no idea what kind of things I wanna say just because you said don't say them that I normally wouldn't say anyway but now want to just because... Well...are there any strictly hetero unmarried men of Elton's age that HAVE been awarded an adoption? If so, then I would say Elton's sexual preference was a deciding factor, even though it shouldn't be. If not, then actually Elton's preference shouldn't even be mentioned as regards to the decision. Just my take on it... | | | | | | |
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Hatley (48702)
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3 years ago
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James72 (7104)
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3 years ago
| | So far it appears the answer is no, but I'm sure Elton John will have people looking for loopholes and angles to try and make this a reality. | | | |
dawnald (24262)
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3 years ago
| | say it say it | | | |
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Aliceinwebland (5358)
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3 years ago
| | Well...are there any strictly hetero unmarried men of Elton's age that HAVE been awarded an adoption? Good point lamb, but even that would be irrelevant when it's concerning Ukraine law. I agree with Hatley, the child's welfare should be what's important. | | | |
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4. Hatley (48702)
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3 years ago
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James72 (7104)
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3 years ago
| | Hi Hatley. I'm certainly not a homophobe either and never have been or will be! I agree that Elton John has the money and also the right intentions here, but laws are laws and I can understand if the Ukrainian authorities wish to stick to them. It'll be interesting to see if there are any further developments in this case. | | | |
Aliceinwebland (5358)
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3 years ago
| | I feel the same Hatley, but whu do these stars have to make it hard. They all seem to want children from developing countries? Why not adopt from home? Madonna, Angelina Jolie, now Elton, is it really for the children or for their own gratification? | | | |
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5. alokn99 (3001)
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3 years ago
| | The laws may have a point from the upbringing of the child in normal circumstances from an age perspective. But this is a case which does not meet those criteria in my perspective. The boy is HIV positive and Elton John is a celebrity. While the celebrity angle can be overlloked the HIV aspect should have been given an aopportunity.Look at the other side of it as well. They do not let him adopt. What happens to the boy ? They may have also refused him the adoption request also based on what you have mentioned above. They should accommodate this request in my opinion James. | | | | | | |
James72 (7104)
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3 years ago
| | I'm still in two minds about all of this. Yes, I do agree that it's ultimately the welfare of this little boy that matters and Elton John is certainly in the position to love and care for him well; but laws are laws and making exceptions triggers precedents. I can appreciate the authorities wishing to preserve their guidelines and rules when you consider what I've just shared. They may even be concerned that people would see them to have bent these rules BECAUSE of Elton John's celebrity status? I doubt this will be the end of the matter either seeing as there is so much publicity now. Look at Madonna's case. She was rejected, the media stepped in and then after heaps of attention to the case, the decision was reversed. The laws were different in the country she chose to adopt from though. (Malawi I think it was) Let's wait and see! | | | |
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6. dawnald (24262)
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3 years ago
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3 years ago
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dawnald (24262)
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3 years ago
| | Yeah, well their laws.... I can understand that they wouldn't make an exception just because he's rich and famous. | | | |
James72 (7104)
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3 years ago
| | That too, yes. They may feel that to change the rules for him would be seen as favouritism due to his celebrity status. It paves the way for future appeals from people NOT in the same position in life as Elton John as well. As per usual, it's complicated! | | | |
Aliceinwebland (5358)
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3 years ago
| | Just what age is he? 61 years older than the child, ...doing the math lol ok he's 62 (and 2 months lol) that's not too old IMO. Not as old as the one in dawns discussion. | | | |
James72 (7104)
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3 years ago
| | Fair enough Alice, but I guess when a law states that an age difference of up to 45 years only is applicable, then 62 seems a lot older than it actually is! | | | |
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7. razcal2267 (9670)
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3 years ago
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James72 (7104)
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3 years ago
| | Yes, I definitely think that in this particular instance, the age factor maybe shouldn't carry as much sway when you consider the wealth Elton John has and his obvious sincerity here; but if a precedent is set, what about future cases? Will they be as favourable? Authorities would always be reluctant to make exceptions and I do understand that. I'm interested to see if this case ends up being taken further. | | | |
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James72 (7104)
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3 years ago
| | Hi Karen. At this moment in time, I tend to think along similar lines. At least this appears to be the case on the surface! The age rule especially is nowhere near adhered to and I can understand the Ukrainians not wishing to change the rules in this case. Let's see what happens from here! | | | |
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James72 (7104)
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3 years ago
| | If this IS sexual discrimination, then I agree qwith you 100%, but is it? So far it doesn't seem to be that blatant. The age issue and their non-recognition of his marital status are in direct contradiction of their laws. Thanks for pointing out this angle concerning the little boy's brother too. I wasn't aware of this aspect at all! | | | |
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