Are Indian people afraid to travel to Australia?

There's no use for the government to just say "hey don't attack people", they need to find the root cause of the problem.
Personally, I think the attacks are far overstated as there are many more Indian people here now than at any other time in history. Attacks happen to everybody if your in the wrong place at the wrong time. It's not like Australians don't also get attacked, and it's not like Indians don't also get attacked in their own country.

Thanks for your reply bunnybon. Being thought of as a terrorist threat may be another possible reason that I didn't think of.
But being that we are one of the most culturally diversified nations in the world, I can't see why thugs would specifically target Indians unless there are other underlying causes.
From what I can see, the reporting that goes on is making the matters worse, especially when I read some of the biased reporting coming from India. That will only make Australians (of various backgrounds) incensed at how we are being portrayed.
The Indian reoports of students staging peaceful protests and then being bashed by police weren't quite correct. In Melbourne, there were thousands upon thousands of Indian students staging a protest who eventually had to be removed because their protest was unorganized and it blocked traffic in the CBD (Central business district). Mostly it was peaceful, but as in any large number of people, there were those few who smashed public property, refused to clear the area, and a few were carrying weapons. It was those minorities who were treated harshly by police.
Australians (of various backgrounds) looking at this protest might think, wow! I didn't know that there were so very Indian students over here (not to mention probably even more Chinese students), nowonder our own young citizens can't get a university place.
Also, national unionists might wonder how they would be treated if they were to shut down the entire CBD with an unannounced protest - not too well I'd suspect.

yes there are times here when mexicans have protests. thanks for best response

That's OK. It would've been nice to get some opinions from Indian people, but it seems that they have their own ideas.
I sincerely think taht Australia would be far better off by offering opportunities to Chinese or other nationalities to come here, because it seems that media reporting has escalated this problem and Indian people will become less accepted here in the future.

Thanks for your response agrim.
I agree that if you are to look over your shoulder all the time, then it will spoil the fun. My choice would be to go to Europe anyway because you can travel to many countries within a short amount of time and see much more interesting history. Australia is very large and takes a lot of time to see.
Concerning the attacks on Indian students, there are also many Chinese students here, and I'm not sure if they are also suffering attacks by racist white Australiana as reported by the Indian media. If the reports were honest, I think that you would find that the attacks are largely perpetrated by ethnic groups living within Australia, as we are one of the most multicultural countries in the world.
Many white Australians also suffer attacks on a daily basis, but as they are more experienced with the dangers that might arise, they know more about keeping away from the trouble spots.
To put it in proportion, there are far far more Indian people in Australia now than at any other time in history. This of course will result in more occurences of attacks on Indian people, especially when they usually reside in the more dangerous areas and use public transport.
To say that white Australians judge people poorly becuase their skin is not the same colour is not correct. But I agree that there is some prejudice towards nationalities, as we are also are seeing in India at the moment.
Yes older Australians who still have some connection with WW2 might revere the "fuzzy wuzzy angels" from New Guinea. Youth groups might revere the "black brother" from the U.S. who they see on MTV. When the West Indies were at their peak, a lot of white Australians actually went to the game to support them above our own team. Some prejudices can't be helped.
As a nation, you should be aware that there are things that will tick people off, and it's in no way due to the colour of the skin, it's due to experiences with the nationality.
As I've already outlined, I do see some prejudices against Indian people because of poor experiences, but it has nothing to do with skin colour.

too many errors in my post, sorry about that.

The most notable one is 'convict connection' and not as it came out above

Yes it's a sad and true fact that Indian people are still coming here in their droves with that type of attitude.
You know little about the Haneef case and the uproar that it casued here. Yes there were suspicious mobile phone calls from Haneef that were recorded, and new ant-terrorist legislation was put to the test. It was not accepted by the Australian people because we do not accept people being held without charge, but there was much more to the case than you are aware of.
Yes it's sad that muslim people are under suspician, regardless of their skin colour, but that's the religion they live in. Their religion is the cause of 90% of terrorist attacks around the world.
The Indian attitude is their decision, but Australian people are getting sick and tired of it because there are many other nationalities that would like to come here.
Indian people should first look at themselves before they decide to visit another country and expect to be accepted when all they do is rubbish.

I'll cite an example of the rude Australian right here in India - I was at my bank a few months ago - a rare visit, since I carry out most of my transactions online or through ATM's (automated teller machines) - This clerk at the bank started to explain a new telephone procdure by which I could get a lot of my work done. there was this quanit middle aged white woman (around 45-50 yrs old)dressed in a skirt and a suit - who insisted on being served first because she was white.

I tried the telephone procedure and turned back to speak to the clerk, a young girl, and explained the short comings that I anticipated, when this lady interjects-You must be an NRI (a non-resident Indian). From her accent I guessed that she was Australian. I didn't reply. She repeated the statement and called me a 'bloody black Indian' and started bad mouthing Indians saying that they didn't know their place. I politely asked where where she was from and she confirmed that she was Australian and kept a rant on against the bloody black fakirs. I siad just one word to her - 'Con' and that shut her up.

Now I wonder, if I had called Australian's bloody in Australia in public - would I be alive?

Now to the Hanif case - would a white man be treated in the same manner? Guilty until proven innocent?

Now to the Australian footballer' case (I forget his name) - we have the Australian ambassador to India saying that the the footballer was a young man and a good boy and was sorry for what he had done to the cab driver when he was in a drunkenm state. Until today morning, India time, I believe that the footballer has not been arrested by the Victorian Government.

Would the Victorian government have taken so much time to throw an Indian for a similar act against a white man? Or if the footballer had beaten up another white man?

My dear friend I have tarvelled to many places, and the Muslims that you bad mouth are far better hosts than any white man, and the Australain is one of the rudest among all nationalities that I have encountered.

Australia needs India and Indian money far more than India does, is another reality that Australians have to face........

Your own statement seems to be full of the racism that I speak about - you say that all Indians do is rubbish - I can see how much useful work an Australian can do at the wages that are paid to the Indian.

Another inference for the word rubbish 'I guess the Australian's have doen a lot of good for the native Australian, who never was white', big Bawana diamond.....

Firstly, I think it is your prejudice that forces you to read my comment out of context. I was meaning that Indians rubbish Australia and it's people. They rubbish us when they come here, and they rubbish us in their ridiculously biased media.
As for the insulting b!tch that you come across, well that would be a rarity, but it does happen that people become insulting for whatever reason. But there would be no excuse for such an outburst in Australia. However, use of the word "bloody" is quite common here and it's just a mildly harsh word.
We even have billboards stating that "if you drink and drive, you're a bloody idiot".
Now speaking of drink driving, let me cite a case for you where a drink driving Indian student run over and killed a young person. This is a murder charge over here for every person in this country.
The Indian student fled the country with a fake passport and is now back in India.
Our state premier is now in India trying to assure the Indian government that justice will be done for any attacks on Indian people staying in Australia, but where is the justice for this young person who was needlessly killed?
As of yet, the State Premier has not requested the extradition of this criminal so that justice may be done.

In reply to some other points:

- I agree that traditionally, many Australians won't mince their words. You usually won't die wondering how we feel about anything, however, it's unfortunate that we're becoming more and more apathetic every day.

- As for the Haneef case, yes any Australian would have encountered the same treatment in the same situation. This law is a very new one brought about by terrorist threats, but even though there was enough evidence that Haneef had some knowledge of a terrorist attack in the UK, the Australian people, including myself, were outraged at holding a person prisoner without charge.
You don't understand the outrage that anti-terrorism laws have caused here.

- Yes muslim people may be more hospitable than we are, but they also need to take responsibility for the words within their quran. And btw, there are many fair skinned muslims.

- Do we need Indian money more than India does? Well there's a caste system statement if I've ever heard one. You should clean up your own backyard before you start on those of others.

Well maaki is common Indian word, and we all know what Bhajji's bunnies Symonds and Ricky Pointing did - turned it into Monkey. Maybe Symonds is ashamed of his heritage - we are all descended from apes

It's the Aussie footballer who was drunk and did not pay the Indian taxi driver. When the taxi driver followed him into a joint and asked him to pay up, the brave footballer kicked the Indian driver in his groin and beat him up for daring to demand fare from him....

And just by stating that Aussies are blunt, does not blunt any of the accusations against the people from that nation...

I didn't even know what my caste was until I was asked to fill up a form while taking admission to college at the age of around 17, so to the best of my knowledge, except for a few backward pockets, castesim died out a little after the exit of the Brits from India.

I think the western and Australian press tend to blow out of proportion select events that do occur in India.

Yeah well I doubt if the Australian people or Symonds cared about the silly racist Indian taunts. Indian fans probably aren't accustomed to seeing teams which have people of different skin colour.

And so there are reports of a footballer (not a soccer player as reported) assaulting an Indian taxi driver over a fare. The player has been charged and as always the law will take it's due course.

Taxi driving is a dangerous business, I wouldn't do it, and especially not at night.
For some reason taxi drivers are almost exclusively Indian or middle eastern, of the likes that were flashing their headlights and honking theirs horns wildly with glee on the day of the S11 attacks.
Other dangerous lines of occupation that Indians commonly take on are: Night time gas station attendants, 7-eleven attendants, night time door to door salesmen and other occupations that leave them in a vulnerable position. Students also often travel alone on public transport in undesirable areas at night.
So if you put together those factors together with the massive increase in the Indian population, it's little wonder that assaults on Indians have also risen. They really need to get a bit more street wise.

Symods did care-this was a fowl tactic to get rid of a player he and his team could not and still can't play - Bhajji was fined and banned for a match or two against Symonds and Pointing complaints.
And what of the great Hayden-He wanted to get into the ring with an underweight Ishant Sharma just because Hayden found him unplayable- of course the same Aussies came running tio lick Indian feet when they got the moolah for taking part in the Indian Premier League (IPL). Also, Indians make up more than 10 percent of the student fraternity from other nations in Australia and hence contributes in a big way to the 15 billion dollar Australian education industry-hence my comment that Australia needs India more than India needs her.

As I said - Aussies are generally thankless, are rude - and have poor sportsman spirit and are even poorer losers, this is the sad part.

No Symmonds didn't care. It was Ponting who thought, as captain, that he was standing up for his teammate. The Indian crowds held up signs of "why monkey between kangaroos" they chanted "Aussies suck", they stuck their fingers up and were quite pathetic really, but Symonds didn't care, and in the end the media blow up about it probably cost Symonds his career. Not too many in Australia were at all concerned about the onfield banter, or even the idiots in the crowd.

So I see that you are becoming quite cocky about the imagined Indian wealth. Well, as I implied before about your "still existing" caste system, you ARE NOT a successful nation while your people starve. You don't realise delusions of world grandure while you can't look after your own people - that's not at all what it's about, and that's an attitude that Australian people want nothing to do with.
No we don't want Indian students taking the place of the rightful Australian students, it's not a good investment - especially when Indian people are coming over here and enrolling in bogus courses which they never attend and then they send money back to India which they make from working illegally.

If you want to respond, then you should start another post because there is no reward in discussing on the end of this one.

Check this out

http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/2142646.aspx

Gasp ... the inventors of sledging now have problems when they are slegded at?
And the Aussie press starts demoralizing every visiting team as soon as, and sometimes even before it lands on Aussie shores by publishing slanted stories, so don't tell me about Symonds and the Indian press, and crowds. Televison has show how slanted Aussie audiences and crowds are against any team in any sport in their own country.

And it is Pointing who is definitely Bhajji's Bunny, since he couldn't beat him fairly on the field, he tried to get him out of the game. This was the same Pointing who got into a drunken brawl in Kolkatta (Calcutta) and could have ended up in jail a few years ago - he was let go, just because the Indians didn't want to play unfairly off the field as the Aussies do. Pointing was let go with a warning by the Indian police and allowed to play the match later.

As far as feeding the poor is concerned - you seem to forget that the country (Indai) had been literally raped by the Brits when the left India. The economy started growing towards the begining of this century, and it takes time to overcome inertia and spread the wealth to a billion plus population.

We are far more sucessful than, for example Australia, which has just about 25-30 million people and yet its governemnt can't (or maybe won't) control her own citizens, she can't prevent its own citizens from taking the law into their own hands - oh how brave your words are - We have a syaing in India, "every person is a lion in his own house". Its how that person is outside is what matters.


I am not trying to be racist here, but, why don't the whites put in the amount of work that they are paid for, instead of preventing those who do? Yes, globally, I have seen the white want to try and avoid work and then they start beating up other races that do put in some amount of honest work.

If you don't need the Indian students, then what is the Victrian premier doing in India? He came with a hat in his hand asking, nay begging Indian students to come to his state for quality education. This is just a couple of days ago...

You, my friend are either an Indian hater - or you are so disjointed with reality and the events that are happening around you in your own country as well as the world that you write anything at all without proper knowledge.....

As far as money by posting from mylot is concerned, well pal, I earn very well (even by westen standards) through my own efforts outside of the blogs and forums, I am here just to let my hair down, to pass a few moments during the day exchanging views and ideas - I do this in other forums too.....

As I said, for the Aussies all the matters is the money......

I think you're being quite ludicrous now.
Firstly, I suggested to start another comment becuase I think it only fair that discussion is rewarded the same as the general "one off" comments that are so prevalant on this site. It's not to do with the money at all. If anybody is relying on money from this site then they are in serious trouble.
But you try to turn it into some sort of a racist taunt, which is was not.
..and are you seriously telling me that Indians don't come here for money?

And yes Mr. Brumby is an idiot for going to India for any other reason than to have the murdering Indian student extradited, but calling him a beggar is going a bit far don't you think? Brumby can have no idea of what goes on in Victorian society by sitting in his ivory tower, and you have no idea either, but you keep trying to tell me that you know everything about Australia; I doubt if you've even visited here.

No you're not trying to be racist by saying that white people are lazy and the scourge of the world. You do it without even trying, just like your Indian cricket crowds who chant racist remarks.

And please don't try to tell me what's happening in my own country thankyou. I've listed 10 realities of possible reasons for bad relations with Indians in this country, and so far, you have not had the basic ability to consider any of them.
All that you can do is close your eyes tightly and chant your racism mantra.

Just to add - If you don't think that India needs Australia then you should take a look at how many natural resouces are exported from Australia to India. India's economy would probably fall flat without them.
We will always have a buyer for our resources, but it's good to have countries competing on price.

My friend, Australia needs the Indian money that buys the resources that Australia provides - hence my suggestion in the discussion initiated by me to which you have replied here (rather than on the discussion itself) that dealings with Australia are to be petered down over a 10-20 year time frame.

Repeating the same link here

http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/2142646.aspx

I have responded to your discussion points wherever I could, you have proved all my points about the rude, racist and money minded lazy Australian, ponder and you'll understand how.

Ahh yes just as I suspected. I noted my rating drop and suspected that I might have had a reply from an Indian.

I also noted your biased and racist link, and it's not very impressive.
The solution for people such as yourself is very simple my friend. Do not come here, and do not talk to me until you can find a mirror.

I brought up very valid and honest points in my opening post, and yet you could not find it within yourself to openly discuss any of them.

But like I said, we a large source of resources for India to improve it's economy, however, you are correct in saying that we are not a large buyers market.
We provide much to India far beyond education, and we can sell it elsewhere if relations between our countries break down due to bs Indian media reports.
You might consider how much we have donated to India over the years, you might consider that your Commonwealth games tilt will need our help if it is to be ready on time. Your economy will not flourish without our resources and your attitude towards your poor will stagnate if you do not embrace equality.

No, I can't see that you are exhibiting good logic by biting the hand that feeds.
Your logic says that I have not provided discussion, so you rate me negatively out of pure ego. I have provided discussion, and even mylot rules states that this is all the more reason to rate positively.

If you cannot help yourself from conducting in the manner that you do, then please ignore me, and ignore Australia also - we can do the same and leave you to it.
We have 100 more cultures here that wish to add to our country.

I have not rated any of your replies and I don't intend to, I am especially more careful when I find someone is contradictory about this. You are quite welcome to rate my discussions and responses with a minus if you want to.

Vitriol, invective is all okay, and is expected. I wonder who it is that bites the hand that feeds it.

Aid? what aid are you talking about? Not over the last 20-30 years to the best of my knowledge, maybe exchange of goods or commodities or purchase of votes in an international forum, but free aid, from Australia, just forget it.... There can be no free lunch, that is something that most countries that have been raped by foreign rule of any sort have learnt. As far as helping with any of the games is concerned, your people are being paid, are not doing anything for free....

I wouldn't be surprised if it is Australia that may need Indian aid over the next few decades....

In reply to the main query - Are Indians afraid to come to Australia, I'd say a big YES many are, and you have pointed some of the reasons from an Occidental perspective.

With your rejoinders to my responses and rachaelspires reply which has been directed at me, below, I rest my case. You two have proved my conclusions right from the Asian perspective. Sad the great Don's nation has fallen so low!

Godbye!

What aid??
First lets look at Australian government aid - check out AusAID.
AIDS epidemic programs
Climate change intiatives
Public sector linkages program
Regional programs for improved water and sanitation.
Estimated cost for 2009-2010 AUD $13.67 million (580 million INR)
...and this is not including tax rebates for donations by Australians.

How about Care Australia? - to which until the time of the recession, I personally donated $30/month (1272 INR) for quite a number of years, plus additional money when disasters hit. At the momnet I'm only donating intermittently.

Care Australia aid to India:
Food programs
Integrated child development services
Help to rural health centres
Maternal and child health
HIV aids program
Education
Emergency relief and redevelopment assistance - 1993 eathquake, 1999 cyclone, 2001 earthquake, 2004 tsunmai.

The Fred Hollows foundation: Work with blindness prevention and treatment.

Taraniketan Australia: Social support for homeless, orphanages, etc.

World vision Australia: Community food development, water, women's education, emergency relief, nutrition, agriculture, child sponsorship, etc.

UNICEF Australia: Work with impoverished children.

I could go on and on. There are many more charity organizations large and small which Australians give to generously every year and who do a lot of work in India.

All that much! Wow! Isn't India's economy just a measly USD one trillion or so? I mean like the few tens of millions of private donations must make a significant part of the Indian economy!

I don't remember that the Indian government has ever asked for foreign aid in the recent past - maybe during a calamity such as the earthquake followed by the tsunami in SE Asia a few years ago - but that was probably because there weren't enough resources ready in India to reach the effected people in time - (but I am not too sure about the aid from your country at that time too). India did not need the money, but needed the resources that were not available at hand at that point in time.

Pal, I have donated money to charities that feed the poor in the UK and the US and other countries, it doesn't mean that my contributions are significant in any manner or that I am funding those countries or that India is funding those countries. Or that if someone from those countries speaks against India, then that person is biting the hand that feeds it.

These Australians and other donors could probably be some rich people or rich charities that have conversion in mind and are throwing away a few millions to 'save a few souls' and have them convert to Christianity. As I said that there are no free lunches - the donors are probably doing so to bring in a few more people into their way of life and to assuage their own consciences, maybe for a few bonus points post Armageddon.

It is this gross misunderstanding that the white man whose ilk once ruled India that is really pitiable and deserves nothing but contempt - These are the very acts that give fundamentalists in my country an opportunity to hit at the government and the public at large and sometimes quite regretfully lead to violence and even murder of foreign nationals that work towards conversion in India. Their donations are something that India could do without, for these donations cause resentment among the staunch non-Christians and hence cause my country a loss of reputation due to the violence that results and create law and order problems for the common man. The losses and setting things right cost my country more than the pittance that such high and mighty donors sitting in a another corner of the world bring in.

And these same charities and institutions paint a bleak picture about India and the Indian poor to pull at gullible heartstrings of hearts like yours with the help of the ever obliging western media that sometimes can't stand a country that is fast overtaking its own, or has some hidden agenda that will be useful to itself. And people like you get taken in and donate to these charities causing more harm than good.


FYI, there are thousands of companies in India that have revenues in excess of USD10 million (Rs.450-500 million). I think there are more than a 1000 companies that have profits in excess of USD 10 million per annum in India.

As an Indian I am the freest human in this world - I don't need any sort of identification to access any of the public places, we have been a successful democracy right since independence in 1947 and it takes time to provide for a billion plus people having a multitude of languages, religions and customs, but get there we will. I can speak against the government without any fear or reprisal, we have one of the freest of presses (media) in the world. Compared to a few TV channels that a country like yours has, we will soon have over a 1000 channels in different languages.

Believe you me, the kind of freedom that an average Indian has is enjoyed by very few people in the world. This is the one country that I would rather be in than any other, and I have traveled a lot.

Wow! You really are a tragic cynic.
You told me that Australia and Australians don't give away anything for nothing, and I proved you very very wrong. I didn't say that our charities feed your entire nation, you need our resources for that.
So you are not sure if Australia contributed aid to the 2004 tsunami?
Per GDP, Australia was by far the largest contributer and the second largest monetary contributor overall - US $1,322 million, with a population of only 20 million people. From memory I personally gave $150 + other bits and pieces where collections were being held. That's much more than I was able to contribute to our own recent bushfire tragedies.
But now I feel a little bit sucked in by the western media, because from what you're telling me, nobody required help.
Obviously the economy of India is still not large enough to properly support over 1 billion people or you'd be doing it yourselves wouldn't you? Or is the caste system alive and well there? It's obvious that racism is alive and well because your personal racism is abhorrent.

Pathetic - this from a racist predominantly white nation that has all but destroyed its native population.

Misinformed - you keep on talking about the caste system without knowing that practitioners of the caste system could end in jail or worse, parrot some more of the misinformation that your media and missionaries have been feeding you.

You are a racist to the core and an India baiter too - a white who can't stand the thought that a brown country is slowly but surely overtaking his own nation, but then looking at your antecedents, can we rally expect any better? An irony that one of the best humans ever - Sir Donald Bradman was from a nation of ..... well I don't wanna compare with anything else, I would be demeaning that if I did

Hmm...I'm starting to get an idea of the source of your attitude.
I think that Indian media is feeding you some rubbish that the western world is jealous of India. Would that be correct?
And I think that you're also trying to justify your own selfishness and defense of India's caste system. You know as well as I do that it still exists, and I can show you if you like. Just google "India's caste system crimes unpunished" and you'll be eating your maHATma once again.
I can see that you are getting drunk on this thought of India becoming an economic power, but you should remember that it's worth is to India's people so that they are able to be provided proper housing, nutrition, clean water, health care, education...etc. There is no such thing as a good economy when the nation's people are not cared for.
Obviously you have looked up my facts and found them to be correct, however, you should have done this first before you started spouting lies.
If Australia is a racist country, then why we also be one of the world's most benevolent nations?
How much do the "massive economies" of China and India contribute?
And I wonder how much oil rich muslim nations contribute - like to look that one up?
You have the internet, please use it to educate yourself.
Oh, and missionaries?? Wtf are you talking about?

] Q. E. D. Read content up and understand, dear chappie!

Wow! Did it really take you nearly a week to think that up?
I've seen that type of response upteen hundred times before, and regarding the debate in question, it means as much as it ever did - Nothing.
It does however means that you lack facts and rational argument to sway the points of the discussion in your favour.

To make a point valid, it also needs the backing of facts and logical explanation. I have provided plenty of fact to dispell the myth that Australia is a racist country relative to any other.
In fact, I have proven that India is far more prejudiced than Australia by virtue of the caste system's existence. Personally, you seem racism issues against anybody white-skinned.

Am really enjoying meself! Cor! Thou ticklest me pink![em]blush.Keep up the vitriol chum!

We've established that you can use an emoticon (well, two outta three ain't bad), but the queston is: Can you provide a valid response?

Like I said, I'm very familiar with these childlike responses due to being harangued with a tirade of truth.
Another technique that I see you trying to employ is the covering of truth. Attempting to push the facts into the background will do you no good.
You made the outlandish statement that Australia is racist to the core and I have proven you wrong.
So I ask: Do you possess the intestinal fortitude to admit to your mistakes?

If not, therin lies plenty of reason alone as to why Australians don't want people of your ilk entering our country. That type of attitude will not add to our country, it will cause considerable unrest.
As much as you try to fall back on skin colour as a reason of non-acceptance, the truth will come out in the end that it is just personal attitude that is being rejected. Much the same way as you would be rejected at a job interview.

Many Indian people who have lived here for years, decades, or generations have a very good attitude towards this country.
The influx of this new attitude, propagated by people such as yourself, will be rejected outright. And worse than that, good Australian people of Indian background might be mistakenly put into the same basket as this new breed of trouble making Indians with stars in their eyes and chips on their shoulders.
It's best for our country that this media driven breed of Indian stay away from Australia, because that type of attitude is definitely not welcome here and it has never been part of advancing Australia fair.

Drop the bomb sunshine. Gandhi would be so proud.
So I see my ratings drop as the ignorance bomb is dropped.
That's all that you have left now isn't it?
May as well disgrace yourself entirely and drop the ratings bomb.
Good onya sunshine You've really proven yourself.

(a) Well, chum, the perplexing problem that brought me to mylot this time around is solved, you were one of the diversions that kept my mind away from that problem and now I have solved it - my perplexing problem had nothing to do wid you Aussies by the way.

(b) Maybe my response to the following discussions will explain some of the stuff....
(1) My response number is 37 at present in the following discussion, your's is no 31 in the same methinks,

http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/2161166.aspx?p=4
(My personal bank account has grown with the solving of the problem that vexed my client and troubled me too, incidentally mylot is not the only forum that I vent my ire on, and FYI, you are not the person mentioned in the discussion above and below, that position has been reserved by someone else on another forum for a very long time now, you were just a minor and - shall I repeat, mere diversion?!)

(2) At present my response number is 22 for the following discussion
http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/2163453.aspx?p=3

(c)As far as your ratings dropping is concerned, sorry buddy, but as I said afore, I never mark negative points for a controversial discussion - I just don't rate them at all, blame your own cheerful disposition and as I said, read your own responses and the discussion itself from an Asian's perspective, really put yourself in an Asian's shoes and then maybe you'll understand why your ratings have dropped.

(d) Ah yes! coming to the emotions and the mistakes, massa ... you did say two outta three no bad nah? Well, my brown beans must unnerstan zat massas' never ever make a mistake an' r always purrrrfectt! There I have admonished meslf, massa, aren't thou pleased?

OK, maybe you provided a genuine response of sorts in a very very cryptic roundabout sort of a way.

If I am to glean anything at all from your response, I will take it as meaning that you don't really think that Australians are "racist to the core", and you just directed your venting of anger towards anything which was convenient at the time.
I can accept that.

Thught I'd update you -
Another Aussie bigwig was here seeking co-opertion with Indian businesses and had discussions with Indian Priemier - I am talking of your Prime Minister Kevin Rudd.

Well, Rudd was quite keen to co-operate with Indian businesses, but he couldn't give any guarantees about the safety of Indians in Ozzieland.

What can an average Indian do but surmise that:
1) Ozzieland is a country full of lawless people and the government has no control over its citizens, backed by the fact that its head of state can't ogive any guarnatees about the conduct of the citizens of his own country
(2) It is a country of white racists
(3) Ozzieland needs Indian money and business?

Think over this with a cool and quiet mind before you react as you are wont to.

FYI, I am off for a series of conferences to other shores and may take some time to respond, if at all I want to. Though I do carry around a laptop, I may or maynot have the time to check mylot and the other forums that I particiapte in while I am traveling.

Thanks for the update! Unfortunately I'm going to have to "react" without the blessing of a "cool and quiet mind" as I am so wont to do.
Let's start with a breakdown of your insequitor logic in no particular order, as opposed to participation in rational discussion shall we?
...and I really really hope that the general Indian public does not use your "special" methods of reasoning.
Your logic:
Rudd talks businees with Indian businessmen because Australia needs India's money or it will suffer recession like the rest of the world.
Other possibility:
Australia, like any other nation, trades globally. It is expected of the PM to secure business from a plethora of nations for the future wellbeing of the nation.
So far we seem to have avoided the recession that most other nations have suffered, so business is already very very good and looking to get better.
Your logic:
Rudd cannot give iron clad guarantee for no violence against Indian students because Australia is a lawless land.
Other possibility:
Australia is a democratic nation and nobody within the nation can be given an "iron-clad" guarantee of safety.
This is just part and parcel of democracy, and free Australians that have been victims of lawlessness by Indian students also had no "iron clad" guarantee that those students that come here will commit no crimes.
Your logic:
Australia is a country of white racists.
Other possibility:
If you averaged the skin shade of all Australians, you would probably get an olive skin tone.
Crimes committed against Indians would average a darker shade of skin than olive, but this is not readily reported because of racism fears.
We used to have to put up with the whinging pale skinned pomme, now we have
to put up with the whinging curry muncher.
Your logic:
Every crack made in jest to an Indian is automatically racist and means that Australia is a country of white racists.
Other possibility:
You could over yourself.
Australians usually don't put up with pompous gits.
I hope your conferences dom't include our country. And if it does, then our shore police will stop your boat before it reaches our shores, confiscate your laptop and donate it to the needy in your country.

Touche. You've proved everyone of my points about yourself. Now grow up!

It's quite sometime since I've enjoyed myself so much at the expense of someone else, but, my dear pal, if a you're willing patsy, and you seem to be quite so, then why shouldn't I? Please do continue .... '.'

It's a very common trait for those who are incapable of debating a point of discussion to use childish rhetoric as a comeback...or as some imagined "lay down misere".

I have already mentioned that only a complete moron would fall for this type of non-sequitor logic, and only a blithering idiot would continue attempting to employ this tact after being notified that it doesn't wash.

You seem to be somewhat thick in department, so I'll say it again for you. Debate the point of discussion with logic and reason please. If you have some valid points, then I am all ears, otherwise, you should be a man about it and recognise that your reasoning may be wrong.

You see, a point of discussion cannot be won by sticking your fingers in your ears and singing "la la la, I am right and you are wrong". There must be a valid opposing point that supercedes the reasoning of my statement to enable yourself to win the point of discussion - that's called debating 1.01

May I suggest that you do some research and provide some facts that may conflict with my statements? Therin you may have a reasonable chance of making a good account of yourself instead of acting like some complete ninny that never progressed past the prep-school debate team.

I can see a few points of discussion that I've raised that may be open to conjecture, however, the rest are pretty much done and won.

I hope that you choose to challenge yourself and raise yourself above the level of discussion that you've chosen to employ to date.
I'm cheering for you to do better and to rise above your primitive caste system mentality.

My, my what an honor! That too by big massa!Well chum, a couple of lines get me umpteen lines for mirth and from a thickheaded person who doesn't read the entire convo in toto!Keep it up chum, ah, by the bye, I did visit your shores and my dough was more than welcome, where, how, why, maybe some other time, if I am inclined to tell that is...., and yes, a white panhandler did approach me with a sob story of a starving family in one of your Ozziland towns and out of kindness of me heart, I did give him a tenner, with which he promptly ran off to drown his sorrows in cheap alcohol in.... a city in Ozzieland.....
But pal, please do continue thy vitriol, me am enjoying meslef so much, that this time I actually checked once before you replied..... I like monkeys.....
I am in a good mood cause of the tons of money that I made this time around ..... and could do with some more laughs at monkeys' raves......

Well thankyou for making some points at last.
It's little wonder that you've been so afraid to state the basis of your beliefs, because they are so easily torn apart.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is how I am reading your point:
Australia needs you (and other Indian people) to come to our shores with your money to alleviate our poverty.

If indeed you have travelled to Australia, and you are as well travelled as you tout yourself to be, then you would no doubt have noticed the relative lack of beggars on the streets in Australia compared with other nations. This is one thing that I found glaringly obvious when I first started travelling to different countries, and most especially America.
Actually your story of benevolence towards the wino (alcoholic) sounds much more like America than Australia.
But if indeed it was Australia that you are talking about, then let me tell me tell you how much this guy was receiving from the Australian public, and the next time you may think twice before parting with your hard earned tenner.

If he was unemployed, then he was probably receiving about $260/week (11,000 INR). But most probably, as an alcoholic, he was on a disability allowance and he was receiving over $300/week (13,000 INR) from the Australian public. He also receives free medical care, discounted dental, free education, heavily discounted public transport and taxi fares, and many more benifits.
Do you feel duped yet? Yes it seems that the wino duped you. Oh well, check out the facts and get back to me if you think that I'm wrong. I know my country.

You see, we look after our down and outers here because that's what it takes to be a successful nation. There's no such thing as a successful nation when a proportion of the people are uncared for.

TY Rachael. Yes it is a big problem when only one side of the story is told or listened to. I'm sure there would be no widespread reporting in India of incidences against Australians perpetrated by Indians. I'm sure that the Indian government has been working hard to return the Indian student who killed a bystander and then escaped Australia with a phony passport
There are cultural differences to the way that we conduct ourselves, but as they say: "When in Rome".

Thanks for your comments balasri.
Yes it's true that anybody travelling to a foreign land should first learn something about the nation's customs and how to stay clear of trouble.
Learning the ways of a different nation has always been an enjoyable part of travelling for me personally and I've usually found it very simple to raise a smile by trying to fit in with the customs of a different nation. Even if, or sometimes especially if I get it blatantly wrong.
It's not too hard to be accepted by people of a different nation if you go there with a good attitude, but I wouldn't travel to a country where I had the belief that people would have something against me because that would be a recipe for disaster.

Hey.. how about commenting on something that you have some idea about?
If you are following me around then I must've at least stimulated some conversation then haven't I? And that's a good thing - no?
Sorry if I don't get my knickers in a twist over words on a computer screen like the conservative folk seem to do. I experienced exactly the same poor sportsmanship when our own right winged party was ousted so ingloriously.
To tell you the truth, I get along pretty well with most right wingers, and I've voted to the right myself on a couple of occasions. The difference with you is, that you'll use any tool at your disposal to get the upper-hand, and that's a very poor attitude to have.

I read your comments and unlike some foreigners did NOT respond because I don't know about your situation.....what a surprise you're still mad.
I did read your comments and I notice a similarity to yours here that I noticed in mine...you whining about your ratings drop after you get blasted by people being tired of your condescension....what a surprise.

If anybody is due a bad rating, it's you for stalking me here.
You have no intention of commenting on the subject matter - where aussies were called racist convicts.
You are only here to cause trouble.

No....I'm here to make a point.
I didn't comment because I don't know the situation...but I see I'm not the only one that has the ability to get your goat....have a great day.....

You are stalking me around trying to wind me up. Well bully for you, you like to flame and stalk.
I don't see what's so condescending about the topic.
There was a misunderstood statement where I said "all that Indians do is rubbish", meaning that they put crap on Australia in the media, and not how it was taken.
Otherwise, there's nothing too offensive and I copped more than my fair share without the backing of fact and logic.
So maybe you should post something about this topic, or go back to your promotion of war-mongering governments that create recessions.