Communist Flag atThe White House

The Chicom flag thing turned out to be erroneously reported by the Chinese press. It turns out that the raising of the Chicom flag was on the "Elipse", near the White House, but not part of the White House grounds.

My post had more to do with how the Obama supporters defended the idea of flying the Chicom flag on the White House grounds. Even though even Obama would't break protocol like that, too many (but not all) of his supporters didn't care at all.

Protocol allows the flying of a national flag on the South Lawn when foreign heads of state are makign official visits.

I still question why a US president is marking the 60th anniversary of the dark and murderous day of Communist takeover of China, but that is a topic for a different day.

The Chicom flag thing turned out to be erroneously reported by the Chinese press. It turns out that the raising of the Chicom flag was on the "Elipse", near the White House, but not part of the White House grounds.

My post had more to do with how the Obama supporters defended the idea of flying the Chicom flag on the White House grounds. Even though even Obama would't break protocol like that, too many (but not all) of his supporters didn't care at all.

Protocol allows the flying of a national flag on the South Lawn when foreign heads of state are makign official visits.

I still question why a US president is marking the 60th anniversary of the dark and murderous day of Communist takeover of China, but that is a topic for a different day.

Yes, that's exactly what they do. In fact, the Chinese flag was flown on the White House lawn back in 2006 when Hu Jintao visited Bush. I don't recall it being a big deal then. As a matter of fact I was just viewing a picture of President Bush and Hu Jintao shaking hands in front of the white house with the Chinese flag waving directly behind them.

So, even if Obama did fly the flag on the White House lawn (he isn't), it wouldn't be a big deal. It's a diplomatic sign.

Well, however, it is not a singular case ...

http://www.worldofstock.com/slides/PFA1229.jpg

above is R. Reagan and M. Gorbatchev at white house ... and USSR (comunist) is there ...

How lame can be one to think can fool people with "I see only what is fit to support my views, anything else not exist" style?

I don't want to go to deep into, but I recall about another US president, democrat also, who ... well, I just hope Obama will not go to Dallas durring his mandate ..


http://www.nytimes.com/1987/12/16/us/washington-talk-state-departament-finders-and-fliers-of-foreign-flags.html

Wmraul.. It is protocol to fly the national flag when any head of state makes an official visit to the White House... ChiCom head of state included. This would have been the first time a flag ever flew on the South Lawn in recognition of a foreign holiday. Therefore, if it was in recongition of an official visit from Ma Ying-jeou, that would have been completely appropriate (and not the first time).

It turns out that the flag raising in recognition of the 60th anniversary of the communist takeover in China was to happen at the Elipse (near the White House, but not on the grounds). With all the hits about the supposed South Lawn flag, I haven't been able to find out if the Elipse flag raising actually happened or not.

What this post was about is how many Obama supporters were willing to defend Obama for what they thought was his plan to break protocol to celebrate a communist event. I guess they don't give a crap what he does, they will support him... even if it is something he apparently wouldn't do.

And you judge Obama (or anybody else, no matter is president, king or begger) by what some few OTHERS say or do?

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Nope, I judge Obama on the standard he asked us to judge him..."by the people he surrounds himself with". I also judge him by his own words.. which seems to be the unforgiveable sin to his supporters.

YOu know, the man wouldn't put his hand over his heart during our National Anthem nor would he wear a flag pin during the campaign like the other candidates, his wife said at his acceptance of the nomination...that it was the first time she was proud of her country....what kind of reaction do you expect patriotic people to have? He's helping celebrate the anniversary of the demise of freedom in China...I don't care how many presidents have flown a communist flag on whatever lawn...I don't like it whoever does it.

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Exactly, and congrats for being up on current events enough to know the facts!

This post was more about the Obama supporters who defended the idea of the ChiCom flag flying over the South Lawn in recognition of purel communist holiday. They don't seem to care what Obama does... they'll defend him anyway... even if it's something that Obama apparently wouldn't do.

I do question the celebration of that dark and murderous day in China 60 years ago, but that's a different topic all together.

Well, it turns out that not even Prs. Obama was willing to break protocol by flying the ChiCom flag over the South Lawn to commemorate the 60th Anniversary of that dark and murderous day when the Communists took over China. The flag raising in question was to happen on the Elipse (near, but not on the White House grounds).

The point of this post has more to do with all the Obama supporters who defended something that not even Obama was willing to do (probably never even thought about doing). They don't seem to care what Obama does, as long as its HIM doing it.

You do bring up a great point though. I don't know of any "good" governmental communism either. Fanatacism is far from a leftwing trait. No elected official deserves or should expect unquestioning devotion. We should always be ready to stand up to, or stand with our elected officials, not based on their name or their party, but on their decisions as EMPLOYEES of We the People.

"Good" communists are those who fulfill both or at least one of the following:

- have a great big undoubtfull economical power and political influence
- are against russians

For example my country in communism time had not economical power but ceauchescu, commie leader, was "listen" by arabians midddle east rebel leaders (Gaddafi, Saddam and others), mean had influence; Romania, my country, was somehow against russians commie, while we were only Varsaw treaty country without russian tanks inside (also Yougoslavia was against russians, despite the commie system, yet they were a special situation because of Tito .. and they were not in the treaty). As result, Romania was only commie country in middle-eastern Europe who wad the "the most favourite nation stipulation" or how that had named in english .. we had it up to 1988; one year after communism was "removed" from us ..

China fulfill both requirement above and close relations between China and USA are not something new ..

Friendly relations between nations is as strange as friendships between people. I look around at some of my friends and wonder why we are friends in the first place. While there are reasons, it isn't because we are all alike or even have the same morals or scruples.

Parated, you amaze me with your lack of historical facts knowledge ...

WW2, Chiang officialy rule China (what left of it) and was received all time help from US and allies, yet he was running a corupt govt which actually had no real power .. Mao and his followers were faster and better organised and eventually take it over ..
How?
With US govt help - 1946 US ceased to support Chiang and, logically, he was "replaced" with a "better" version of dictator: Mao Zedung.

I know the history. The origins aren't the same as what it turned out to be. Sorry, but communists have never run a government in peace... ever! The fact the US was involved is a source of shame, not something to celebrate.

tgd. is china in the least communist anyway? looks like it's trying to get the best of both worlds (bossy corrupt government and massive divide between rich and poor). and might as well stick my opinion of communism in here anyway - which is how naive can you get?

Ted, I agree that we shouldn't commemorate this horrible event, but instead of attacking the president for this, it would be better if you would bring to light how China became a communist country, and what buying products from China does to our world. I understand that you don't like Obama, and his policies, but where was the outrage during the Clinton, and Bush administration when we did the same thing?

Until you brought this up, I had no idea this was going on, and I thank you for bringing this up. I don't blindly follow Obama, nor did I blindly follow Clinton. Just like you have said that you didn't support Bush often, I do differ with Obama on some subjects, but just like you, I voted for him because I thought the country would be better off with him.

"You do bring up a great point though. I don't know of any "good" governmental communism either."

This upset me alot when I heard someone talking about "good communist", could you imagine what Ronald Reagan would say about "good communist"(probably the only good communist, is a dead one)? I heard this on CNBC by one of their experts who is a flaming republican, and I couldn't believe that a man who calls himself a Reagan republican would ever say something like that. Which brings up another question for republicans: How can you support much of our new economic structure (No manufacturing, import everything (mostly from communist countries, and dictatorships), and become a total service country), and still call yourself a Reagan republican? Reagan spent his entire life fighting communist, and his actions led to the fall of the Soviet Union. Now many who use is name like they would a great war hero are ignorning what he said and did for personal financial gain. I am not saying that you are doing this Ted, but I know you understand what I am talking about.

WM, China and Russia are good friends though, along with Iran, and Cuba. China is creating alliances to feed their economic engine, and their need for natural resources. Many in the US military see what China is doing, and the fact that the US is funding undoubtly a future enemy in China.

JB, China is still very communist with the way they treat their people, and how they treat corporation. Every company in China is owned by the government, they may be funded by US corporations, but the government owns the company. They learned from Russia, and from many other communist countries, and they very intelligent. How easy do you think it would be if the US military had to invade China with all of these US companies manufacturing products there? Do you think the US companies would have something to say about this? Like I said, they are not stupid.

so now you're presuming to tell me what topics I can and can't write about?

If you want to start a discussion on the topic of the origins of communism in China, start one. However, it is considered bad form to hijack someone else's discussions, so please don't hijack mine.

In Dubya's defense, he thought the flag was an American throwback. You know, back when America had the original 5 colonies.

hello fishy. dubya thought something. you quite sure? can we change this into a completely different discussion about former us presidents?

Yup it is, but that wasn't how Obama supporters defended it when they thought he was violating protocol. They defended the violation itself.