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myLot reputation of 99/100. wolfie34 (13926)   ranked 1 out of 144 in people3 months ago

I have a keen interest in pyschology, mainly to use it to help me get a better understanding of myself and certainly get to grips with what has happened to me and why it happens to me.

Anyhow my Pyschology course started today it's an 8 week course, no qualification at the end of it, it's just a taster course and it's about Pyschology of Emotions and what better to explore the emotions that are running my life namely Anger and Hatred. But obviously dealing with other emotions as well.

Well I have this thing about going into a class too early because I always worry that if I sit somewhere people will not want to sit next to me and I have a big problem with rejection, so I always make a point in going in late to a class even though I arrive at the college early I will still make a point of going into the class a few minutes late.

Well I had a bit of shock, because when I went into the class it was full! Not just that but it was full of WOMEN! 17 of them and not ONE male apart from myself, oh and the tutor was male.

Talk about outnumbered! I am not a stranger to this because when I was studying childcare I was in a class full of girls. Although the women are mature and far less likely to 'bully me' I still feel slightly uncomfortable and embarrassed.

At the break time everyone went down to the canteen, and I went off and sat on my own (not in the canteen) to read my book, because I just felt that I couldn't sit with them feeling awkward and not knowing what to talk about and I have an anxiety issues, however, it must be strange for them too, I mean having ONE man on the course, what do you reckon?

Have you ever been anywhere and have been so overwhelmingly outnumbered? Maybe at work or on a course

How has it made you feel?

Do you think it's easier for a woman to be in class full of men or for a man to be in a class full of women?

I didn't contribute anything because I felt intimidated and nervous and so I just listened throughout and let everyone else talk but nevertheless I did enjoy the course but it was a shock!

 
 
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1. myLot reputation of 92/100. worldwise1 (6111)   ranked 40 out of 144 in people   3 months ago

I can imagine the shock you received, wolfie. lolBut, on the bright side you may have struck it lucky because women are usually more outgoing and make friends easily. It certainly depends upon your past relationships with women - whether you bond easily with them or not. I know that for most of my life I have had close friendships with men more than women. I think you should just take the situation in stride and see what happens. You will make friends quickly judging from the charisma you display here on myLot. Even if you're not very confident just yet it will come. happy


myLot reputation of 99/100. wolfie34 (13926)   ranked 1 out of 144 in people  3 months ago

Ah but sadly my friend I am completely different than I am online! You wouldn't recognize the same person, I am quiet, shy, sullen, moody and do not talk offline. Complete opposite like Jekyll and Hyde. Here I feel comfortable and it's different when you are online isn't it.

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2. myLot reputation of 92/100. Irishfrndly65 (7456)   ranked 16 out of 144 in people   3 months ago

OH Wolfie..I hope you step out of your comfort zone because you will be SO popular with all those ladies I just know it! I would seek you, probably. I'd actually probably feel more comfortable with you, because women often make me feel that way too. blushsshh don't tell.

It sounds very interesting and I wish I could take it with you. I'm learning alot with my counselor but a class, such as the, would be awesome! Enjoy it!!


myLot reputation of 99/100. wolfie34 (13926)   ranked 1 out of 144 in people  3 months ago

It would be nice to have a friendly face there to support me, I feel so isolated and uncomfortable, if it wasn't for the fact that I need it to help me, I like the tutor and I paid for the course I would have run away!


myLot reputation of 92/100. Irishfrndly65 (7456)   ranked 16 out of 144 in people  3 months ago

We'd whisper and giggle and probably get dirty looks from everyone, but we'd also get the most out of the class....heeee heeeeeee! I wanna go!;stomps foot; lol


myLot reputation of 99/100. wolfie34 (13926)   ranked 1 out of 144 in people  3 months ago

Yeah come and hold Wolfie's paw for comfort and laughter!


myLot reputation of 92/100. Irishfrndly65 (7456)   ranked 16 out of 144 in people  3 months ago

Ok...but only if you will let me shoot spitballs at any mean girls. Don't worry, they will NEVER catch me in the act! heeee

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3. myLot reputation of 86/100. lovinangelsinstead21 (481)   ranked 110 out of 144 in people   3 months ago

Hi wolfie34,Guess I would feel the same to a point depends on if you really want to be there I suppose and learn enough. Apart from that try it a week give it a whole week and give the ladies time to get to see you and maybe you can find a way to break the ice with them.
Maybe it will work maybe it won´t I really would´nt know but if it was me wanting to learn this I would be there in the thick of it regardless of the situation.
I felt like that when I had to take my Driving Test in Spain and you could not learn it in English.
There were no easy learning curves for me they gave me none but I passed.
So you see I really think you can do it but if you start with the ifs and buts then you´ll always be with ifs and buts.
I would give it a whole week and see how things fare if not then try another week extra go on go for it Wolfie you will not be sorry at least I don´t think so.
Reckon the feeling of being uncomfortable will pass like everything does go on be brave.
Take care and hope you learn and pass any exams if you have to take them.


myLot reputation of 99/100. wolfie34 (13926)   ranked 1 out of 144 in people  3 months ago

The fact that I PAID for the course, I like the tutor and it's a fascinating course I will stay, it's only a couple of hours for once a week so I can stick at it. They may feel embarrassed at having a man on the course and might be wary of me.


myLot reputation of 86/100. lovinangelsinstead21 (481)   ranked 110 out of 144 in people  3 months ago

Hi wolfie34,
I almost wish I could go with you there and keep you company till you get over the "stagefright" bit. What do you think mylotters? I think you would be very good at whatever you want to do.
If I were the other women I would try and make you laugh a bit too to take off that nervous edge.
Again go for it wolfie even though it seems like your tummy has swallowed an octopus.
Reckon that there is not one of us that has found themselves in a similar situation out there.
Very sure that you can hang in and the satisfaction of your achievement has to be worth all that "suffering" that you might be feeling now.
Good luck.


myLot reputation of 99/100. wolfie34 (13926)   ranked 1 out of 144 in people  3 months ago

Thank you my friend! I appreciate your warmth and your support. It's only another 7 sessions, once a week for a few hours it'll soon go so I'll grin and bear it. Once it's over I can forget about it and move on!


myLot reputation of 86/100. lovinangelsinstead21 (481)   ranked 110 out of 144 in people  3 months ago

Wolfie34,

Hear hear I hope you learn lots of informative things and that you leave that place with a Certificate of Qualification so big that you will have to frame it hang it on the Wall and use it as a Landmark to be able to achieve other things along the way.

Not joking so here comes the first Certificate keep on the "straight and narrow" in the learning and there you will have it.
Really mean that this is my British way of expressing things.

Wolfie34 I can bet you will probably get top marks too.
So go, go, go
Take care.

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4. myLot reputation of 100/100. PeacefulWmn9 (2996)   ranked 43 out of 144 in people   3 months ago

happy Hm, I can imagine your surprise, and yes, anxiety wouldn't help that situation be any more comfortable. I DO think adult education classes are far more mature than high school, or even our college years.

When I was married, my ex-husband was a road commission superintendent, and ALL the field workers were men. I often helped at Christmas dinners and such, so I know what it's like to feel out-numbered, but...I just swallowed my anxiety and made small talk. Once we all got to know each other, it was fine!thumbup

Keep us updated on how this goes, Wolfie. And take heart. Most women are very nice, in spite of your experiences in romantic or marital situations.

Hugs,
Karen


myLot reputation of 99/100. wolfie34 (13926)   ranked 1 out of 144 in people  3 months ago

Thankfully the course only lasts 8 weeks, I think if it had been a much smaller group you know 10 or 12 max then it wouldn't be so harrowing! If it wasn't for the tutor I think I wouldn't be going back!


myLot reputation of 100/100. PeacefulWmn9 (2996)   ranked 43 out of 144 in people  3 months ago

lol Thank God for male tutors/teachers?? LOL. It'll be alright and you might even make a new friend or two. Some of my friends friends are "guys," in spite of a devastating marriage in the past. In that respect, I believe the sexes can learn a lot from one another.

Keep in there... thumbup

Karen

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5. myLot reputation of 72/100. vonmac (2530)   ranked 42 out of 144 in people   3 months ago

I must admit, as much as I like men I dont fancy being out numbered by 17 to 1.
Uncomfortable I can relate to.
As you say, it must be quite strange for them as well, and I bet that there will be a few who would feel a bit guilty at your non inclusion in the canteen.
Anxiety issues wont help either.
Lets talk about you first Brian,
I can fully understand why you would feel intimidated and nervous. But I am sure you only feel intimidated because of the nerves.
So you have to get rid of the nerves, and with that, the intimidation will disappear, as you wont be dwelling on it
Its important also that you contribute and once you take that first giant step, you will feel better all over for being able to overcome these hurdles

You did enjoy the course, thats the main thing and over the next 8 weeks I fully expect you to report here, that one by one you have overcome feeling intimidated, and report much contribution to. I also fully expect you to make many friends.

I know, I expect a lot, but I have prior knowledge of how your life has moved forward over the last 3, well soon to be 4 years,
You will succeed,


myLot reputation of 99/100. wolfie34 (13926)   ranked 1 out of 144 in people  3 months ago

You are right I do suffer terribly with nerves, I have a big anxiety problem which was diagnozed by a pyschiatrist back in 2004 along with clinical depression. I am not a people person, I am extremely shy, I don't mix, I don't socialize, I don't make friends and I am a loner, so going to courses I have to sit with other people, I do find it uncomfortable but I find it easier to isolate myself I can cope better hence why I avoid going in the canteen. I also have a problem with trust as well I don't trust, I'm paranoid and suspicious so it's doubly hard work. But I wanted to do the course so I have no choice but to stick it out. It is only for a few hours ONCE a week, not as if it was daily or regular!

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6. myLot reputation of 91/100. manong05 (2930)   3 months ago

Having just started, I will probably have the same feeling. But I'm sure as soon as people get to know each other, this feeling of being intimited will surely go away. I'm not sure if is has got to do with being a man or a woman. It may depend on the person's emotional or psychological build up how he reacts to the situation. Being outnumbered can definitely be a cause for anxiety but familiarization later on will help change the atmosphere.


myLot reputation of 99/100. wolfie34 (13926)   ranked 1 out of 144 in people  3 months ago

Thank you for your wise words I think you fully understand the situation I was in.

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7. myLot reputation of 95/100. sid556 (10855)   ranked 41 out of 144 in people   3 months ago

Wolfie,

My thoughts are that you should lighten up and join in. These women would absolutely love having you in their class. I remember taking a craft class years ago and there was this one guy in the class. It didn't seem to bother him a bit that he was surrounded by women. He made the class so much fun. He wasn't hitting on any of us or anything. He was truly there to learn about crafts but he was such a cool person and he did not care what anyone thought of him. The coolest thing about him was that he was comfortable in his own skin. You are way too hard on yourself wolfie. I get it that you may be the only guy in a child care class which unfortunately is pretty sad. So many guys could stand to learn a bit more about child care. I am surprised that you are the only guy in a psychology class. All that and I guarantee you that if I took an auto repair class and found myself being the only woman, I'd probably be awkward too. So I get how you feel. I'd love to learn more about those things and i'm sure I'd be very uncomfortable . Your feelings are very normal, wolfie.


myLot reputation of 99/100. wolfie34 (13926)   ranked 1 out of 144 in people  3 months ago

I think it was a trigger to the way I was made to feel in other classes I have attended and certainly when I went to work at a childcare nursery and primary school, women can be so hostile and suspicious of men especially when they work with children, it got so bad that I gave up, I couldn't deal with the 24/7 nastiness, bullying from women because they saw me as a threat and hated men being in their environment. I love working with children but I can fully understand why men don't want to work in the field because I compare it to working in Bosnia or trying to walk through a minefield. Never again. No disrespect but women can be very very nasty to men I have experienced that time and time again so naturally when I went into the room straight away I felt I was being judged.


myLot reputation of 95/100. sid556 (10855)   ranked 41 out of 144 in people  3 months ago

I am so sorry that happened to you, wolfie. I would never look at you or any man that way for wanting to work with children or any other field. I didn't realize that women actually treated guys in these fields like that. That is horrible. It's really too bad because so many of these young kids could use a positive male role model in their lives and especially with all the single parent households. I'm sad that you felt you had to give up on things that you truly enjoyed because of the hostility of others. I do understand though that such an unpleasant work environment would kind of rob you of the joy of an otherwise wonderful job. sad

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8. myLot reputation of 84/100. guybrush (3507)   ranked 50 out of 144 in people   3 months ago

I'm glad you went to the class, Wolfie - and don't worry about the ladies, I'm sure they won't think it strange at all that there's only one of you! I know it must feel a bit weird and confronting, but soon you'll start to put names to faces and things won't seem so 'new'. Hopefully you'll soon feel confident enough to contribute your thoughts during class - and the ladies will be interested to hear your opinions, I'm sure! It sounds like a very interesting course, so you'll probably find you are so interested in the subject matter you forget about being self-conscious, shy or anxious. Try to live 'in the moment' and enjoy yourself - remember you are interesting and intelligent, and have as much to offer as anyone else in the class.


myLot reputation of 99/100. wolfie34 (13926)   ranked 1 out of 144 in people  3 months ago

You have more or less echoed what my therapist told me today, when I said I felt intimidated because these women all had high powered jobs, and there was me without a job I felt the lowest of the low, I even felt like lying to say I had a good job, I felt I was being judged as well. Fortunately it's only 7 sessions and that will soon go, it will be a relief to finish the course, thankfully this is the last pyschology course I am going on, I have done 3 and I feel now that I have gone as far as want to. I didn't realize it was predominantly a female subject. I seem to pick subjects that men don't want to do, that is one of the reasons I gave up childcare because of the hostility, suspicious, bullying and nastiness I got from women. Maybe I should work with cars or do something which I am surrounded by men instead.


myLot reputation of 84/100. guybrush (3507)   ranked 50 out of 144 in people  3 months ago

Stick to doing the things you love, Wolfie - be assured, most people are too busy thinking of themselves to be judging the actions of others. I know those ladies will enjoy your company, and if you are able to let your guard down and enjoy their company, you'll reap the benefits. I know it's hard not to be suspicious and wary - but try to give it a go!

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9. frontvisions101 (17)   3 months ago

Wolfie, i think you are just conscious about yourself. correct me if im wrong. when you go to a crowded area you worry about how people would think of you, right? what if when you go to a crowded area, you think of how you would think of the people around you? try it. its fun. and around a lot of women, its going to be a blast.


myLot reputation of 99/100. wolfie34 (13926)   ranked 1 out of 144 in people  3 months ago

Welcome to Mylot, thank you for your great response, yes I am very self conscious of myself, it's because I have a very low self esteem. I will try what you suggested.

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10. myLot reputation of 90/100. sanjana_aslam (1850)   ranked 140 out of 144 in people   3 months ago

hi wolfie

i am outnumbered in my office too ..

my position as a manager, i have 4 male co workers who are managers as well and my director is also a man ..

yes we have admin staff who are female but it does not count ..

as my work is compared with this guys .. i stay back late, i have to put extra efford then this man .. my boss enjoys chatting with this guys, leaving me out ..

so whenever the managers are called for meeting, i will be the only rose among the thorns

cheers


myLot reputation of 99/100. wolfie34 (13926)   ranked 1 out of 144 in people  3 months ago

It's horrible being ignored and treated as though you are invisible, this happens to me too often, I think I get used to it but it still hurts.

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