Why Does the Right Hate America?

GREAT response! You said "he actually thought that merely showing up would shock and awe the IOC into handing him the Olympics on a silver platter" that is exactly what he, in his unbelievable arrogance, thought!

[interrupts whiteheather's thunderous applause to be annoying] stupidity of the left eh? hello ricky good to see you are one of the 40% i mentioned in my high quality incredibly well researched discussion earlier.

I believe that part of the point is that Obama was darned either way. Republicans would have torn him up. Whenever anyone on the left criticized Bush they were American haters, now the Republicans are showing their true colors (sure not red, white and blue).

purple with rage isn't it?

Perhaps green with envy also.

jb78000 Whiteheather interrupts Britain's number one Bamaloony to say why do you continually poke your Royalist uneducated nose into my business.

oooh. get you whiteheather. what have you got against me? are you being sarcastic or was that just plain and simple rudeness? as for being uneducated - joke or no joke that is ridiculously far from the truth. royalist - surely you can do better than that? makes no sense.

WOW!! I didn't mean to start a huge fight, honest I didn't! Ted, I can't speak for everyone on the "left" but I can assure you that I'm not stupid, my brother who is much more liberal than me is certainly FAR from stupid and most of my liberal friends and relatives are also not stupid. I think calling a whole group of people stupid is...STUPID...how do you like those apples...lol?

I think the response that said, as I said, that Obama was in a no-win situation and that if he hadn't gone, especially since all three of the other leaders of the countries in the finals were there, he'd have taken the flack for that as well!

Ted, don't even TRY to deny that!

Annie

. i'm not fighting. annoying people certainly but that is my purpose...

Once again, Obama puts himself in a situation, then when he fails, his supporters say he was in a no win situation in the first place. Obama is the one that politicized it, not the right, the IOC, or even the left for that matter. He had already sent Miss Michelle to Copenhagen, so what was the purpose of his last minute appearance?

How did Obama politicize it, Ted? I won't deny that some on the left really hated Bush with a passion but I've never seen the kind of hate some on the right has for Obama.

Annie

Oh give me a break Annie. Nothing said against Obama has come close to the accusations that Bush orchestrated 9-11. When the anti Obama feelings get that extreme, then we'll talk.

"Oh give me a break Annie. Nothing said against Obama has come close to the accusations that Bush orchestrated 9-11. When the anti Obama feelings get that extreme, then we'll talk."
Come on, Ted, there were a small number on the fringe that made those accusations. You know I was no Bush supporter but I certainly never believed in that nonsense. They were nothing compared to these birther nuts and other conspiracy theorists about Obama.

Annie

I agree. Good on Rio. I was shocked to hear that this will be the first time South America will host the Olympics. Brazil's a beautiful country and they deserve it.

I also say "good for Rio" and I also was shocked to hear South America has never hosted an Olympics. We've had more than our share the past few decades, I don't think anyone can deny that.

Annie

I don't agree with your words 100%, but I agree with the basic point. This was not about America, it was about Obama and how people feel about him. As stated earlier, I'm happy to see Brazil get it. I think that was long overdue.

My title was meant to be taken at least partly as satire. From what I've been seeing and hearing it's the right who seems to make everything about loving America or being a patriot or a "real" American. Unfortunately, their definitions are rather narrow. They "love" their country but can't stand most of the people who live here.

Annie

But Annie, what does that have to do with the Olympic games?

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by, "But Annie, what does that have to do with the Olympic games?", but I guess what I was getting at is that the Olympics has always seemed to be the one time when we we've been united as a nation and have rooted our athletes on unashamedly. Whenever the Olympics have been in our country that feeling of patriotism has been even stronger. Maybe I'm just a sentimental old fool when it comes to things like this...lol!

Anyway, this wasn't meant to be a very "heavy" discussion. I don't think whether Chicago got the games or not is that big a deal politically. It would have been nice but it would have been nice no matter who was President. It's also nice that Rio will get their opportunity, especially since neither their country nor their continent has ever had the chance before.

Annie

Annie I just don't see why this is being likened to NOT rooting for our athletes. I'm a Bills fan and I root for them no matter where they play. Why would I not root for the US Olympic team just as much when they play overseas? Even if he did bring the Olympics to Chicago, I certainly am not about to travel there to root for the team. When I watch them on the TV their location is largely irrelevant.

what is this with the racist card? i keep seeing it again and again and on the whole it seems to be coming from one side more than the other - and not the side i would have expected...

jb78000..What rock have you been hiding under. Obama was a 20 Year Member of one of the most racially prejudiced churches in the USA. Obama quote that Rev. Jeremiah Wright (his pastor) was his MENTOR.
Watch these videos and you will understand where the racist in Obama comes from:
Obama preacher says "God Damn America" The is an ABC news video including Obama's response to the virulent hated spewing from his mentor!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwQWuQVE6sw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Prhnc2fxAzg&feature=related

Whiteheather, I don't think YOU hate America at all. As I said above, my title was meant to be tongue-in-cheek but even if I did mean those in the public eye "hate America" I didn't mean it to refer to you or any other "average" person. I don't agree with your opinion about Obama but I know you're not "hate filled".

Annie

anniepa Thanks. I want say that you are my absolute favorite Obama supporter. You can debate on Obama issues without resorting to name calling or racial slurs. You research your subject and do not just give wild unfounded opinions. You have my utmost respect!

Koriana, you make a lot of sense and what you've stated may have been the reason Chicago got the fewest votes. I don't think it had much, if anything, to do with our President and whether or not he showed up to make the presentation.

Annie

Great response! The hilarious thing is these people are now bashing the same things they supported a year ago. Suddenly, what was once good is now terrible and what was once terrible is now awesome! Are we living in an "opposite universe"?
Annie

Sure seams like it at times

I heard Obama's speech but not that of Brazil's President and I thought Obama's was fine. I also felt he DID speak for the whole country as well as for Chicago. I'd heard Brazil's presentation was fantastic so I'm thinking that may have been the key.

Annie

I know I resent the inference that I hate America because I think Obama is not helping our country. Obama is more interested in being an egotistical celebrity than anything else I have seen so far. We have many more beautiful and not so violent cities in America to choose from. That Chicago was the first cityto be deleted does not say much for how much help Obama gave with his appearance.

Well, I don't see where the right gets their constant mantra about the left hating America or being the "blame America first" crowd.

"All I can say is that most people opposed what Obama was doing because it will NOT fix the problems in this country and is NOT important to the vast majority of us. If you asked 1000 people what the president should focus on how many do you think would say "Getting the Olympics to be held in Chicago"?"
I wonder if you and those hypothetical 1000 people realize he was gone for approximately 18 hours and that he tended to other things while he was away?

Annie

"I wonder if you and those hypothetical 1000 people realize he was gone for approximately 18 hours"

What airlines have you been on Annie? It takes a minimum of 11 hours just to FLY to Copenhagen. Even if he flew by, waved, and flew back without landing he'd be gone for more than 18 hours. Saying he was gone for 18 hours is pretty weak when you have to know that wasn't true. The "other business" was only tagged on when he started getting hammered for focusing on the Olympics while ignoring the commander of our troops in Afghanistan. He realized what a PR disaster it was about to become and tried to salvage what he could.

"What airlines have you been on Annie?"
I've never been on any international flight, Taskr, not that that's relevant.

"It takes a minimum of 11 hours just to FLY to Copenhagen."
Not according to Orbitz! " Orbitz is pleased to offer airline tickets on SAS, which operates a non-stop flight everyday except Tuesday and Wednesday from Washington (IAD) to Copenhagen, Denmark (CPH), regularly scheduled to depart at 5:20pm and arrive at 7:15am. Usually an Airbus A330 is flown for this route. Generally, a movie is offered on this route. The average travel time from Washington, DC to Copenhagen, Denmark is 7 hours and 55 minutes.": http://www.orbitz.com/fli... if he flew by, waved, and flew back without landing he'd be gone for more than 18 hours. Saying he was gone for 18 hours is pretty weak when you have to know that wasn't true."
At least one of the reports I heard said he was scheduled to be gone for approximately 18 hours; another said "less than 24 hours". It seems that you just called me a liar, although not in so many words - "I HAVE to know it wasn't true"? How do you reach that conclusion?

Annie

Annie, are you really going to insist that it only took 18 hours for this? Lets go with your numbers then and say he was in the air for 16 hours. How long did it take to assemble security, get through customs, and drive to meet with the Olympic committee? Do you really think that all took less than 2 hours? If he took care of other business there, what did he take care of that he could do in so little time?

OK, Taskr, I get it, you're in a picky mood...lol! Maybe he WAS gone a bit over 18 hours, who really CARES??? One report, which I can't remember who said it or on what network, said he'd be gone "approximately 18 hours" if I remember correctly. Some others said "less than 24 hours". I was simply trying to point out that it's not as though he'd spent days or weeks away from Washington and ignoring all the other issues facing him.

What do you think he did on the plane for that 16, 22 or however many hours it was? Maybe, GOD FORBID, he slept for an hour or two. Then again, MAYBE he spent some of that time working the same as he'd been doing if he were in the Oval Office.

Annie

I agree!

Annie

I guess this is where I follow my mom and dad's age old advice - "If you don't have something nice to say, say nothing at all!" I think we're living in parallel universes or something.

Annie

Don't worry. Next time I'll agree with you 100% and bash "those people" and only those, ignoring anything else that might play into it, and I'll earn a "Great reponse!"

Until then....

I sure don't expect or even WANT everyone to agree with me because that would make for a pretty boring discussion, wouldn't it? I apologize if my reply came off the wrong way but what I was getting at is that I respectfully disagree with pretty much all you said. I don't want to bring Bush into it but to me HE was the arrogant one in so many ways and I see Obama as anything but. You have every right to disagree with me.

Annie