Taxing Grandma's Wheelchair - Making Money off the Sick and Disabled?
By AnjaP
@Rollo1 (16676)
Boston, Massachusetts
October 3, 2009 7:24pm CST
Obama is fond of disputing the accusation that he wants to "pull the plug on Grandma". But one way of paying for this health care overhaul involves just that - well, pulling the plug on her motorized wheelchair, anyway.
The Baucus bill includes a way to make $40 billion in taxes to help fund the health care plan - taxing necessary medical devices. Have a look at the list of devices that now will face taxation:
* Pacemakers
* Hip joint replacements
* Gastrointestinal tubes
* Artificial hearts
* Hearing aids
* Porcelain teeth
* Heart defibrillators
* Prosthetic heart valve rotators
* Powered wheelchairs
* Ventilators
"Groups like the Medical Device Manufacturer's Association said that the tax would hurt them, as well as those who need medical devices.
"Virtually all medical device providers would be affected," Thomas Novelli, the director of federal affairs at the Medical Device Manufacturer's Association, told FOXNews.com. "Ultimately, the costs associated with this tax are going to be passed on to consumers [because] producers will have to raise prices on their products."
People on both sides of the political aisle find this tax to be unacceptable.
Sen. Al Franken, D-Minn., wrote in a letter to Baucus that the tax "will seriously threaten thousands of American jobs and deter innovation." There are "many other ways to save money in health care," he said.
Rick Tyler, a spokesman for Newt Gingrich, said that the bill's impact on consumers meant it would break Obama's promise not to raise taxes on ordinary Americans "for about the fourth time."
If the point of the health care reform is to LOWER health care costs and make more care available to the poor and the needy, how does it make sense to make necessary medical devices and replacement parts for the disabled more costly?
The Congressional Budget Office has predicted that the Baucus plan will need $354 billion in new taxes and $409 billion in Medicare reductions to fund it. I don't know about you, but for someone who is disabled or in need of specialty medical devices and is also on Medicare, how can they possibly hope to receive the medical care they deserve or can afford?
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@whiteheather39 (24403)
• United States
4 Oct 09
Again Obama and his gang of thieves are slamming the elderly and disabled. Everyday I am so glad there is myLot and people like you Rollo1 who keep us aware and uptodate on all the sneaky crap our government is pulling BUT which the media will never inform us about. THANK YOU!
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@whiteheather39 (24403)
• United States
4 Oct 09
Rollo please see my comment above. I am not going to read any more responses as you have infiltrated by Bamaloonies!
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@Rollo1 (16676)
• Boston, Massachusetts
4 Oct 09
It's funny, whiteheather, but most people don't seem to be too upset about the government wanting to tax necessary medical equipment. A lot of responses have been about how useless those who need them are. But age and disability is not something they should feel safe from. One can strike at any time and the other is always creeping up behind you. I am disheartened at the disgust these people seem to have for the elderly and disabled.

@UCantSeeMe (116)
• United States
4 Oct 09
How is it making money off the sick and disabled anyway. Most of these people needing the supplies have out lived the amount of social security they paid for as a taxpayer to begin with. I see it more as they are paying back some of my hardworking money since i probably paid for that chair to begin with. What they should be asking is why havent these things been taxed to begin with.
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@whiteheather39 (24403)
• United States
4 Oct 09
After I came out of the nursing home I need a special chair for which I paid $1,700.00 plus tax and medicare paid a mere stipened. So I'm glad "I cant see U"
as you do not know what you are talking about!
@Rollo1 (16676)
• Boston, Massachusetts
4 Oct 09
Oh yeah, forgot... those that worked all their lives and were forced to pay into this system on the promise that it would provide them with certain benefits upon retirement have just taken that promise a little bit too far and outlived their usefulness.
Wow, that's some attitude. You should do well in the new regime. Until, that is, you become a useless eater too.

@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
4 Oct 09
They have yet to invent the tax that lowers cost, so to tax medical devices those medical devices will go up. What is the point of government raising the price of something to fund something to pay for the things you raised the price of? Also to this 40 billion dollars raised if government becomes the main purchaser then are they just taxing themselves, so what are they raising. It would be like the Federal government trying to raise fund to buy M16 places a tax on M16.
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@Rollo1 (16676)
• Boston, Massachusetts
4 Oct 09
It seems to me that all these bills have one thing in common - they all want to provide medical insurance to anyone who is healthy and make sure that anyone who actually needs care gets rationed, taxed or pretty much set to the side. Taxing life-saving devices is just one way to make sure that people who need care will get penalized even more.
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@matersfish (6306)
• United States
4 Oct 09
* Pacemakers
* Hip joint replacements
* Gastrointestinal tubes
* Artificial hearts
* Hearing aids
* Porcelain teeth
* Heart defibrillators
* Prosthetic heart valve rotators
* Powered wheelchairs
* Ventilators
New taxes for the bottom 95%? I don't know, but I'm sure they'll spin it. Or they'll at least leave it to liberal news and myLot devotees to spin it.
I've read some of these comments and I'm a little confused. Okay, assuming that all owners of electric wheelchairs are fatty fat fatters who are scamming the system, and all artificial heart recipients are chubby mcchubbersons eating their way to cost overrun, that still doesn't cover the ventilators, hearing aids, porcelain teeth, or pacemakers.
Oh, let me guess, every ventilator is going to stupid, old stick people who've smoked their entire lives. These system scammers don't deserve hearing aids because they sat too close to the Peavey concert speakers. It's the fault of the people needing pacemakers that their heart tissue stopped sending electrical pulses. It must have been all the planet-harming, global-warming-causing electricity they used. And I suppose the cavemen (and women) ate meat and deserve to lose their teeth. Maybe descendants of cows and chickens will be suing them in 2012.
WTF? I thought liberals loved victims (sarcasm). Now they're looking to hurt them through taxes (of course they would)? It's aimed directly at old folks, if only because that's who it will effect more. And is it really their fault that the GOVERNMENT-RUN SYSTEM of Medicare is so incredibly broken? And who are the tools in this equation? The people who want the government out, or the people insisting government can bring this joyous system to the masses?
Sometimes I want to throw hot fryer grease on people. But that would only lead them to the hospital. 
I've read some of these comments and I'm a little confused. Okay, assuming that all owners of electric wheelchairs are fatty fat fatters who are scamming the system, and all artificial heart recipients are chubby mcchubbersons eating their way to cost overrun, that still doesn't cover the ventilators, hearing aids, porcelain teeth, or pacemakers.
Oh, let me guess, every ventilator is going to stupid, old stick people who've smoked their entire lives. These system scammers don't deserve hearing aids because they sat too close to the Peavey concert speakers. It's the fault of the people needing pacemakers that their heart tissue stopped sending electrical pulses. It must have been all the planet-harming, global-warming-causing electricity they used. And I suppose the cavemen (and women) ate meat and deserve to lose their teeth. Maybe descendants of cows and chickens will be suing them in 2012.
WTF? I thought liberals loved victims (sarcasm). Now they're looking to hurt them through taxes (of course they would)? It's aimed directly at old folks, if only because that's who it will effect more. And is it really their fault that the GOVERNMENT-RUN SYSTEM of Medicare is so incredibly broken? And who are the tools in this equation? The people who want the government out, or the people insisting government can bring this joyous system to the masses?
Sometimes I want to throw hot fryer grease on people. But that would only lead them to the hospital. 
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@matersfish (6306)
• United States
4 Oct 09
Like most people with opinions, I've been bashed over the head for my view to no end. But I hold fast to what I've said for the longest time: if you're a liberal, it's basically okay to hate. You're in an enormous group of linkeminded people who, even if they don't feel the exact same, will never speak out against you. Liberal on liberal criticism (the real kind of criticsim; not criticizing because they're not liberal enough) is like finding a leprechaun in the clover patch.
It seems that they've always dictated the terms of hatred.
Obviously, hate isn't reserved for politics or any types of labels. Everyone can hate. The right does the same thing. The only real differences being that 1) the right doesn't hold itself up to be this pillar of moral superiority. Even in the strongest religious circles, everyone's aware that man falls short of a God. So the right has never claimed to be what the anti-Christian, secular, wonderful, wealth-sharing uptopists claim.
And 2) there's an entire culture driven by celebrity and media that continuously pushes one ideology while leaving the other stranded; and within that marketed ideology, there's hatred for numerous things, including, most of all, anyone not subscribing to the same ideology and nearly everyone not walking the thin line they draw... and erase and draw, and erase and draw, etc.
Today it's fat people. Today it's right-wingers (read: non-liberal zealots/dissenters). Yesterday it was black folks.
Eventually, they'll embrace another "group" and then point their fingers at everyone else, claiming we're the ones behind it all.
Ice water may work, but it isn't nearly painful enough! 

@JodiLynn (1417)
• United States
4 Oct 09
anything manufactured is taxed. EVERYTHING. those taxes are based on set retail prices of sale to the general public & delivery costs. Hospitals buy whole sale, negating much of those taxes.
I'd feel bad, except for these numbers....
-the industry (medical device manufacturers)spent 6.3 million on federal campaign contributions in 2008
- spent 773,000 THIS YEAR in lobbying, 88 thousand of that went directly to 10 Finance committee members, both dem & repub.
Edwards Life science Inc made 256.7 million dollars last year. That's just ONE of many companies making huge profits off our rotten health in America. Sicker is better, for them, not for us. KEEPING us sick/impaired means more profits for them.
Talk about profiting from sickness! Of course they don't want us to have better care, we might not NEED their products if we practiced preventative care.
Quite frankly, I see more fat lazy people using those scooters more than the elderly. I also know 40 somethings that needs hip/knee/joint replacements due to lifestyle choices they made erroneously.
Quality health care should be available for ALL, not just those with blue ribbon health insurance.
Yes, corporate taxes need to go up to finance the present health care bill being debated. Taxing the industries that helps facilitate the present status quo is a good way to do that (IMO)
btw, the Baucus plan is NOT a good one, for many reasons, mostly because it still benefits the Insurance conglomerates more than any patient it covers.
@Rollo1 (16676)
• Boston, Massachusetts
4 Oct 09
I forgot we hate fat people... sorry. You know I can think of some 40 year olds who needed knee replacements, but they were professional athletes. Destroying your knees playing hockey or football is a lifestyle choice too.
I am not really sure how manufacturing these items makes anyone sicker or how the makers of durable medical equipment can actually make you sicker. If it were not for the development and manufacture of many of these devices, a lot more people would be a lot more disabled and many would not be alive at all. I don't understand the kind of logic that turns those who develop life-saving devices into devious schemers trying to make people ill. If people hadn't needed these devices before, no one would have bothered to invent them. I suppose the guys who invented the artificial heart were in cahoots with Ronald McDonald. (Yeah, Ronald, you get them to eat the Big Macs, we'll then sell them this artificial heart when their coronary arteries clog up).
As a person whose disability is related to neither weight nor old age, but rather a degenerative, progressive, neurological disorder, I wouldn't mind being able to afford a nice power scooter. Unfortunately, I don't have any health insurance since I became disabled from working.
Just want to mention those facts and then state that I am not in favor of any of the health care reform bills presented thus far. I don't want something for nothing badly enough to put the future of my country at risk.





