Is there a text in the bible claiming that Jesus Christ is God?
By shellback
@shellback (864)
Philippines
October 6, 2009 2:51am CST
The unbelievers more often says that there's no text or written in the bible claiming that Jesus Christ is God, but actully there is, lots of religios sects tells that theres no direct message to claim that Jesus is God, Ive actually seen that in the book of Romans, read it and it tells in there...
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@owlwings (43897)
• Cambridge, England
6 Oct 09
Jesus himself is never recorded as referring to himself as God or 'The Son of God'. He allowed others to say so (or at least he did not contradict them when they said that he was the Christ or the Son of God). He referred to God as his Father in the Lord's Prayer but he taught us ALL to think of God as our Father.
Whatever you read elsewhere in the Bible can only the opinion of others. It may well be a considered opinion and therefore to be respected but it is still only a human opinion.
@shellback (864)
• Philippines
6 Oct 09
How about the text in Romans 9:5, is it really an opinion? Its not interpreted or what so ever, try to read it please and kindly explain, please..
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@owlwings (43897)
• Cambridge, England
6 Oct 09
The text in Romans 9:5 is a prime example of how translation and, especially, punctuation can change the entire meaning of a passage.
Below is one fairly good exposition which you should read in order to understand the problems which face translators and, in particular, what Paul really meant to say. I have put the link at the bottom because MyLot's current system tends to mess up links. You may have to select it and copy and paste it into your address bar.
This is part of a letter of Paul to the Roman Jews and therefore it important to understand that it is Paul's own words and opinions addressed to a particular audience. It is addressed to Jews and therefore, in this context, the word 'Christ' (Messiah) has a special meaning. It is of particular note that, although the words 'Christ' and 'Messiah' are commonly used today by Christians, it is a Jewish concept and technically has no relevance outside of Jewish theology. Paul is quite clear elsewhere in his writings that Gentiles (non-Jews) are not governed by Jewish law and it follows that the special idea of a person sent by God to be King of the Jews or to save the Jewish people is of no real concern to non-Jews.
I do not mean to say, of course, that Jesus is not the Christ - he may be, but it is actually of no importance to Gentiles (which means most 'Christians'). The issue in this passage is not whether Jesus is Christ but whether Christ is God. If it is read and punctuated one way, that is what it seems to say, but read and punctuated another (and equally valid) way, that is not what it means.
It is issues and arguments such as the one demonstrated by this passage which have led me to eschew organised religion and to seek the Truth in my heart. The Bible is undoubtedly an important book and contains great wisdom but it MUST be read in the context in which is is written otherwise it can easily lead people astray.
http://www.angelfire.com/space/thegospeltruth/trinity/verses/Rom9_5.html
@owlwings (43897)
• Cambridge, England
6 Oct 09
It's very important to understand the difference between a 'fact' and an 'opinion'.
If someone says to me "I am not lying when I say that the sky is blue", I first verify that the sky is actually blue (I may take it on trust at that particular moment because I already know it to be a general truth) and then can say that the statement "I am not lying" is a fact. If the same person were to say to me "I am not lying when I say that music is the food of love" it becomes more complicated. The statement "Music is the food of love" is not a fact but an opinion (which, because it was a poetic statement by Shakespeare, is often quoted as if it were a fact but is, all the same, really only an opinion and equally as valid as the statement "Music is boring!"). Then I have to consider whether the person is lying or not. If I know him to be a person of generally honest character, I would assume that he is not lying (a 'fact' proven by an extension of experience) but that he is still stating a strongly held opinion.
The little verb 'to be' may be used to express a fact or it may be used to express an opinion. It depends greatly on the circumstances and the context in which it is used. Believing in something passionately and stating it as if it were a fact does not necessarily change it from an opinion to a fact.

@Springlady (3986)
• United States
6 Oct 09
Hi shellback,
Yes. Jesus said "I and My Father are One and the Same." I don't know right off the top of my head where it is in the Bible. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John...it's in there.
Yes He was/is God. God became a man..Jesus Christ and had all the qualities of a human being. Only one thing made Him different...He was completely sinless and perfect.
I pray you will give your life to Jesus Christ today!
God bless you!
~Spring
@shellback (864)
• Philippines
7 Oct 09
Thanks, this is only a sort of comments, im already a christian, you're right, Jesus and God the Father as in one and i read it before,but I feel upset to other people who are not accepting that Jesus is God, they claimed that there is no passage in the bible regarding that, so i post a discussion like this, I know who Jesus was and theres a passage claiming that He is the true God....thanks have a blessed day...
@afarrell1 (258)
• United States
6 Oct 09
I love Itachi!!
the reference to Romans isn't exactly correct. I think you are wanting Christ's own words.
you might want to try:
John 5:7-25
John 14:7
It's really hard to quantify the trinity, three in one, that there is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, but that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are actually part of God.
@shellback (864)
• Philippines
15 Dec 09
And that means Jesus is God, isnt it, you say it by your self, Yes its true that there is 1 God and that is the Holy Father, He have His Spirit and Its Holy, He have a Son which is Jesus Christ, all together in one, so, truly that Jesus Christ is with God therefore Jesus is God, you can see it in the book of revelations and lot of it in the new testament.




