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myLot reputation of 95/100. dawnald (9499)   ranked 12 out of 379 in autism1 month ago

Sometimes Cary can be difficult to deal with. If he wants something and he can't have it, he gets upset. If he doesn't want to do something and he has to, he gets upset. Sometimes sitting him on my lap will calm him down to where we can deal with things reasonably. But I can't say he's ever gotten completely out of control with us. With a day care teacher three years ago, yes, but never with us.

Yesterday Richard took Cary to his social skills class. One of the boys in there got really upset because it wasn't his turn to do something. His mother went in there to try and calm him down and he was hitting and kicking and trying to bite her. Yikes. He's 7 years old, but bigger than Cary who is 9 (and NOT small for his age).

Another father was in the waiting room and told Richard that his son got like that sometimes, usually because he was hungry. Anyway it got so out of control that Richard went in and asked if he could help. He ended up grabbing the boy and telling him that he wouldn't let go until he calmed down. The other father recommended putting the boy under the table, which used to work for his son.

At any rate, they eventually calmed him down. Richard came home wondering if he had done the right thing (I think he probably did). We were both glad that Cary doesn't behave like this and were wondering if it were the severity of the other kid's autism or the parenting (the mother seemed afraid of him) or what. At any rate, I find myself counting my blessings that Cary is not so severely affected and that it really looks like he is going to manage just fine. Also, wondering how some people cope...

 
 
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1. myLot reputation of 96/100. katsmeow1213 (4858)   ranked 166 out of 379 in autism   1 month ago

I personally believe it's usually the parenting.. but that's just my opinion. I think some parents would prefer to take the easy way out and give in to the child. Even if it's only on occasion, the child already knows that if pushed far enough, the parent will give in and the child will get their way. Some parents would just rather end the conflict as easily as possible, so they give the child what they want... which creates a bit of a monster!


myLot reputation of 95/100. dawnald (9499)   ranked 12 out of 379 in autism  1 month ago

I'm sure that's a big part of it with some kids, but I really wonder how much the autism has to do with it also.


myLot reputation of 96/100. mommaj (1031)   ranked 10 out of 379 in autism  1 month ago

Hi dawn! I would have to say the autism has a lot to do with it. My daughter is older than my son and she doesn't have autism. When she was in the "terrible two" stage she never through a tantrum where she would get on the floor and kick and scream. My son does. He actually just started this. I took him on a child train ride and when he got off I had to carry him off the train ride line and he was kicking and screaming. I, happily celebrating that he has gone into an advanced age stage am happy, while my child lays on the ground screaming and crying. Boy did I get stares! The only reason I know this is autism and yes, some of it is parenting but mostly autism, is because we walked away from the train and he was okay until he heard the train whistle or saw the train. A lot of it is the frustration that he wants, but he can't tell me and he gets upset. While he laid on the ground I told him if he kept acting like that he would never ride the train again! Isn't avoidance a lazy way out as well?


myLot reputation of 95/100. dawnald (9499)   ranked 12 out of 379 in autism  1 month ago

I think it is exactly frustration at not being able to express what you want. But I also think it is to some extent (and with some kids) the parenting also and not teaching them HOW. Some folks with autism are severe enough that they'll never get there though and others need a lot more patience and firmness and teaching than others.


myLot reputation of 96/100. mommaj (1031)   ranked 10 out of 379 in autism  1 month ago

Thankfully I have not seen a scene like you talk about. I was always a tom boy and I get on my children's level to play with them. It bothers me that a parent is scared of their child. That usually results in the child doing what ever he or she wants. I have already told my husband as our son gets older I may have to join a gym if I have to wrestle with him. I don't think it is a good idea to show fear to anyone, especially a child. I feel bad for that lady and thank God my child isn't like that. I also pray he never becomes so out of control someone has to get physical with him.


myLot reputation of 98/100. msfrancisco9369 (1693)   ranked 46 out of 379 in autism  1 month ago

At times when my kids are having tantrums and when you ask they could not answer you back...it really breaks my heart. It really pains me to know that they are having difficulty expressing themselves and they are so frustrated that's why they displaced all their emotions by acting up. I even ask my son to give me all his pains and allow me to get inside his "world" so that i will be capable enough to fully understand them. Hugs calm both of us. They used to kiss and hold my face everytime i cry and hug them. They need to be assured of our care and support no matter what!

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2. myLot reputation of 99/100. cynthiann (3018)   ranked 168 out of 379 in autism   1 month ago

I can only say that it is probably a bit of both parenting (or lack of correct parenting) and autism. I have a son who had learning disabilities - quite severe - and he is a man now. Married and the father of a four year old. My GS does not have learning disabilities.

It was very difficult because he was so frustrated at that time especially as his younger brother was excelling in all fields and in addition was taller than him. He began to talk about death and dying and I went into panic mode. It was a bit of a nightmare for us and we did get him a total evaluation, educational, social, psychological and neural plus counselling. We went as a family. I know that his siblings will always look out for him in life and this is important to me.

It must be so difficult for the parents to deal with an what is worrying me is that the mother appeared to be scared. I am sure he sensed this on some level and this is cause for concern as I believe whatever difficulty the child may have the parents should always be in control.

I don't have answers. My gut tells me that your husband did the correct thing and I am glad that your son does not have autism this badly. Thank God.


myLot reputation of 95/100. dawnald (9499)   ranked 12 out of 379 in autism  1 month ago

The part about the mother being scared worried me too. Kids can sense those things. I feel badly for both of them.

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3. myLot reputation of 93/100. cloudwatcher (3239)   ranked 112 out of 379 in autism   1 month ago

We know that autism differs greatly in different children, in different situations.

Over the years I have known and worked with a few autistic children. One who is quite severely affected medically speaking was one of the easiest to work with and I believe this is because he had a mother who would not tolerate bad behaviour, but gave oodles and oodles of love and attention for "normal" behaviour.

As you know, the autistic child has great problems in actually receiving communication and therefore in understanding. All information has to be given one by one item and understood before another can be given. Some mothers seem to be incapable of handling this. They rattle orders off like a machine gun and wonder why there is no response.

Yes, I believe Richard did the right thing and I believe you have both done the right thing with Cary. With these children there is a fine balance between developing independence and developing at best a spoiled brat who demands and gets his own way or a controlling monster.

You are achieving that balance with Cary and he is likely to grow into a fine young man who will lead a normal life and contribute to society.


myLot reputation of 95/100. dawnald (9499)   ranked 12 out of 379 in autism  1 month ago

awwww cry

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4. myLot reputation of 93/100. ANTIQUELADY (11092)   ranked 81 out of 379 in autism   1 month ago

U are very lucky that cary is not affected more than he is. I have a friend whose son has autism & they really have a time w/him. Heis such a big guy & his mom is just a little bitty thing that he has hurt her many times. It is so sad i am sure to have this happen. They wouldn't give in when he was young to get him the help that he needed & now that he is older nowhere will take him in to help him. He is such a handsome child. When i was working i cut his hair. I think i may have told u this before. I wish cary the very best.


myLot reputation of 95/100. dawnald (9499)   ranked 12 out of 379 in autism  1 month ago

that is very sad, but if you don't start off right with children when they are little, you have a devil of a time with them later, autism or not...


myLot reputation of 93/100. ANTIQUELADY (11092)   ranked 81 out of 379 in autism  1 month ago

U are so right, it all begins at home when they are small.


myLot reputation of 95/100. dawnald (9499)   ranked 12 out of 379 in autism  1 month ago

if not, even Supernanny would have a tough job of it!

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5. myLot reputation of 85/100. Hatley (20144)   ranked 107 out of 379 in autism   1 month ago

hi Dawnald I do not know much about autism but I do have
'a hunch that your Cary is not so severely affected because
he had two parents who are calm and level headed. I think that
always helps any child that is emotionally upset no matter
what the cause. I know my little girl,this is years back,was'brain
damaged and she seldom had temper tantrums, but the one time she
did,I just did what your husband did,I held her and told her I would'not let go until she calmed down. well she actually went to sleep in my arms,the terrible twos and too much information flooding into her little brain that was not really able to comprehend it,we were told she would never develop beyond about three or four years.we only had her for 8 years.But I am like you,I think your husband did do the right thing.


myLot reputation of 95/100. dawnald (9499)   ranked 12 out of 379 in autism  1 month ago

I'm sure how the parents deal with things has a huge impact.

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6. myLot reputation of 97/100. GardenGerty (20190)   ranked 78 out of 379 in autism   1 month ago

For awhile last year I worked two days a week with an adult disabled young man who was severely autistic. I observed that people who were afraid of him also brought out the worst in him. I was not afraid of him, and I was one of the few people who tried to do sign language and communications boards with him. Autism is a communications disability, or so I have been told by a high school principal who had an autistic son. I think your husband did okay, if no one has complained. Yes, a child who is hungry, that is one who is having a blood sugar drop will have behaviors.


myLot reputation of 95/100. dawnald (9499)   ranked 12 out of 379 in autism  1 month ago

They sense fear, I think. Sad...

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7. myLot reputation of 87/100. Zenstrive (206)   ranked 283 out of 379 in autism   1 month ago

Well then, you really need to count your blessings. In the faith that I practice, the blessings of sight is so uncountable it took turning the whole sea into ink to count the blessings, and even that's not enough!


myLot reputation of 95/100. dawnald (9499)   ranked 12 out of 379 in autism  1 month ago

1, 2, 3...:-)

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8. myLot reputation of 98/100. msfrancisco9369 (1693)   ranked 46 out of 379 in autism   1 month ago

Hi Dawnald,

As a mother of two kids with autism i experienced the same too. They're upset if they can't get what they want and if they are pressured to do something that they don't want to do. What we used to do is hug our kids and give them massage from shoulder down to the arms and give a soft stroke on their back. While doing this we tried our best to talk to them and explain things that's unacceptable. They listen and hug us back.

WE may have two kids with autism (the youngest - 9 years old is mainstreamed just this year) but we are still lucky bacause they are not the severe as compared to other cases. My eldest (13 years old) has difficulty in uttering words or communicating but with all the interventions he's saying lots of words and can verbally communicate now. It's LOVE, SUPPORT AND PATIENCE that made them become what they are now.


myLot reputation of 90/100. seanbryan (263)   ranked 350 out of 379 in autism  1 month ago

Hi Mama MSF,

I believe you're one of a kind mom, having two special kids aren't that easy considering that you are a working mom. I'm just wondering how you manage your work, your kidz, the house and to add on your great time with mylot...lol. Happy mylotting!


myLot reputation of 98/100. msfrancisco9369 (1693)   ranked 46 out of 379 in autism  1 month ago

Hi SB,
I always have time for everything as mom of two special kids, as a wife umhhhhmmm yes! I always have time for my honey, as doryvien’s co-worker, business woman (doing crochet blouses and dresses) and as a mylot member. I love and enjoy being all of the above! Superwoman right?!!!


myLot reputation of 95/100. dawnald (9499)   ranked 12 out of 379 in autism  1 month ago

Hugging and rocking Cary works wonders with him. You are so right, love, support, patience! Keep up the great work!

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9. Catwife (52)   ranked 280 out of 379 in autism   1 month ago

See here is indeed very difficult subject!My friend's son is also autistic!
Will ot communicate with anyone,bad-tempered!
Is difficuit to imagine!But to take the right treatment!
They are to his son to communicate with the animals!
Love and puppy play!To see a pasychiatrst!Slowly feeling better!
Hope that God bless you!Amen!


myLot reputation of 95/100. dawnald (9499)   ranked 12 out of 379 in autism  1 month ago

Early intervention does wonders, but it takes a lot of patience.

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10. benjamendeng (34)   ranked 281 out of 379 in autism   1 month ago

Hi, dawnald, I am so worried about such a 7 years old boy after reviewed your story. yes, we all said one word "autism", but who know why a kid become autism. the main reason, personally, I think they all lacks a close parenting education. to be a father or mother. try to ask youself. How much time you take it into guiding a correct direction for your kids? How long you stay with them one day? Yes,In Modern society, parents are busy for work,business,relationship.etc. otherwise. how to do support a family without money. but in the meantime, we also need to take some time for our kids education. make them build a health,correct emotion and attitude in their heart. so if we do this homework for our kids, kids are willing to trust us and then they will share more things with us.


myLot reputation of 95/100. dawnald (9499)   ranked 12 out of 379 in autism  1 month ago

We don't know what causes autism. I don't think it's anything to do with the parent that a child gets autism, but I think the parents can have a huge impact on successful and autistic child is as learning to function.


myLot reputation of 96/100. mommaj (1031)   ranked 10 out of 379 in autism  1 month ago

I have to comment on this close minded and uneducated way of thinking. I was once like you. I believed it must be the parents fault. In some cases, I still wonder that. My son is classic autistic though. Guess what the doctors tell us not to do. PHYSICAL PUNISHMENT. The reason is our children are not intelligent enough to process that as punishment. That is why if you have ever seen a parent spank a child and the child laughs that the child did not feel it. In fact, the child thinks the parent is playing and no matter how angry that parent gets, the child will not understand.

My child still does not talk and he is four. I am a stay at home mom, so I am with him 20 hours a day and the school gets him four hours. I can assure you, it has nothing to do with parenting. If you would like to prove me wrong, please by all means, you are more than welcome to come visit with us!

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