Death Sentence to a reformed convict; Please give it a thought and respond.

I do apologise for all the typos. I forgot to do spell check and my fingers are hurting today.

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Hmmm My friend Reeyan, I think you didn't get my point here. I am not saying that the person should be forgiven for his age or anything.

I am trying to say that if he is guilty why not to punish him "immediately". Why to wait for long years and file for mercy and then let him reform while he is in the prison. Why let him have that hope that he may survive?

Do you think it is right to give him a hope and then deny the chance he seeks for?

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Oh my God ... I am really sorry. Feel ashamed without reading the whole story I have done this mistake in hurry. I think I too not keep myself from the race of increasing the number game. I am infected......


You point is very sensitive. Is is more panic to punish that to keep anyone in the fear of punishment. If some one is accomplished with a such crime that is punishable with capital punishment, if the implementation of the punishment is late it is a unbelievable mantel harassment. So law have capitalize its all effort of quick implementation. Belated accomplishment of punishment is like double punishment. I think law have also no right to punish double for a single offense. In this situation law is to in the custody of the court of humanity.
But we can't deny the limitation of law and the process to establish and prove the crime. So it take some time. But there should limitation of the delay too.
So I think the whole process need to make dynamic and quick and efficient. We have to keep in mind that in hurry no wrong should done like MY FAULT TO ANSWER THE TOPIC IN HURRY.

We are all humans and we are bound to make mistakes. Its ok. I liked the last thing you have written here, and how you compared your own haste with the law, hehehehe. You are witty my friend.

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May be it is witty but not a ignorable matter at all. What you say?

Bodhi, I do agree that when someone is found guilty beyond the shadow of a doubt, then whatever the sentence is, it should be done with and not dragged on and on. I have heard that happens because a prisoner is allowed so many appeals.

Yes at times it seems very time consuming and a tiring process. A waste of some very valuable resources. But some people here have some very interesting and insightful views too. i thank each and every one to help resolve something on which i was really pondering over for a long time.

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It is needed to mitigate the doubt. But we have some limitation to follow the rule abide to us. If we try to justify everything can be justified. Then will not occurred the social anarchy. So in may time it is important to take decision coming out from our humanity. Some time drastic and rude step too needed to implement for the greater interest of the society. So some hard affective measures need to haply to establish so that restrict other from do the guilty. "Guilty must have to paid" is the best way to resist the crime.

Hi reeyan, thats what I said. if one is guilty he is to go through the punishment.

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I am to firm in that crime must pay . All other related to these are only sub consequential.

One example I want to put here....

If we ever put our hand in fire in mistake...fire would not left our hand unburnt thinking that we mistakenly put the hand in it. I am very very rude and drastic in this matter.

Hi Tokouchi,


I am very glad the way you think about it. To make them realize of what they have done when they were evil personified.

but its a real pity when they come to realize it and plead to hold on to life, Ah! Too late I guess. Thank you so much for the wonderful response.

Yeah, thats really a very nice suggestion. The guilty shouldn't be let loose under any circumstances. Otherwise there won't be any law and order. People would kil one another and later say that they repent, come out and do it again.

They shouldn't be given free food either, like you said. But for some the death penalty is apt I reckon.

He must be a very good human being. It is very difficult to forgive someone who has caused you a loss of that magnitude. he must be a saint to accept the other boy as his own son.

I don't know, God forbid if anything like that ever happens to me I won't be at peace at all. maybe I will see to it that the person who makes me suffer suffers as much as I do.

Just letting my honest opinion to flow out. maybe I am in that mood.

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I do believe in God's powers.Infact the story of Paul resembles to a saint who wrote "Ramayana" the greatest epic of the Hindus the story of Shree Ram.

I am talking about saint Valmiki.

I am truly touched by your post here, my friend. I think, do correct me if I am wrong,

that at last it is the question of who wins over the enraging war deep inside you; Good or evil.

Like the one you had asked earlier "Which wolf do you feed?"

Thanks a lot again and yes let there be peace.

You are absolutely correct, it all comes down to whichever wolf we feed...the good or the evil side of us all. We all have the tendency to do wrong, and sometimes evil things. No one is better than anyone else.

But sometimes we need God to intervene in us, in order to know the direction to take, or to have the strength to say "no" to the wrong things. We cannot do this alone.

Some people say we can live without God, that if we do the right things in life then who needs him. And for the most part, human beings know what is the right thing to do, but there are many other situations in life that are not so clear. For example: if we meet a beggar in the street, who looks scarey and mean, do we ignore him and walk by him? Sometimes we have to ask God what to do. I have learned from God that you don't give a beggar any money, because most often they would use it for alcohol. Therefore if they are truly hungry, God leads me to buy a meal and bring it back to them. Sometimes God doesn't lead me to do anything for them, because God may know something I don't know....maybe he is trying to guide the beggar closer to him, and it can only happen by being deprived from everything else.

There is a reason for everything, and only God knows the directions in life we should take; therefore if we think we are doing right, it may not be in God's eyes. We need to lean on him more, and be open to his ways. By doing that, we will undoubtedly be feeding the right wolf.

I will have to look up the saint that your are talking about, sound like an interesting story. Thanks

You know what my friend, I honestly feel like keep on talking with you, I think there won't be dearth of topics for us to discuss.

i am gonna tell you something about a person. he is a very close frind of mine, and today he is a very very successful businessman. he is just 28, and he is seventh grade failed.

he hailed from a very poor family and attimes he had to sleep without food. he left studies and experienced this world with close proximity.

he always tells me, to feed the poor. Don't give them money, if you have the time buy a meal. And he really does it. he says that i have been though hunger and I know how to sleep with an empty stomach. I won't let that happen to as many people as I can.

he attributes all his success to the blessings from these destitute.

Now the saint I referred to was a robber. Once when came home after the loot, he asked his wife,"you know I am commiting sin. i am robbing people. But I am doing this for your sake, for the sake of my paretns and children. so would you guys gonna share the burden when I am in hell?

Surprisingly all of them denied, reasoning that it was his duty to feed them. they don't care what method he adopts do carry his duty.

he was a transformed person from that instant. he sat for meditation to gain the "truth" and was covered by ants all over his body. When he was enlightened he wrote "Ramayana".

It appears that your businessman friend is a wise man. Through his struggles, and the suffering he endured, he learned to have compassion for others. That is why we sometimes have to go thru trials and sufferings ourselves, in order to learn God's way.

If we never have struggles in our life, we would never know what true happiness is...we would never learn to appreciate what we have. So, in order for us to experience happiness and joy, we have to experience sadness and suffering, for it is by experiencing these things, will we come to understand what happiness and joy is.

Secondly, how would we know how to feel compassion for our brothers if we never experience what they go thru. To truly understand another's pain, we have had to walk in their shoes. Therefore, at times, God does allow us to suffer and have struggles in order to teach us these lessons. Your friend would never have known how to serve the poor if he was not poor himself. Your friend is wise to understand this. Some people would have just been happy to be free of suffering, and felt no obligation to help the poor; some feel, "if we can come out of poverty, so can others, so we shouldn't help them. Let them find their own way out." But, instead, your friend followed his heart, and listened to what God was teaching him. God gave him the gift of compassion, thru his own sufferings, and your friend did not reject it. Instead he followed in God's footsteps.

Because he heard God, and did as God wanted, God has giving him many blessings. That is a wonderful thing! Our God is good!


I researched Saint Valmiki, and his story is very similar to Saint Paul.

Valmiki was a thief who one day tried to rob a Hindu holy man. The holy man had no riches to steal, but gave Valmiki a mantra—a word to be repeated in meditation. Valmiki liked the mantra and began using it. Years later he had become so absorbed in his meditation that ants built an anthill all around him, yet still he did not move; in this way he earned the name Valmiki, which comes from the Sanskrit word for anthill. When Valmiki emerged from the anthill, he had become a wise and humble saint.

This story proves again, God's Love. When he was given the mantra, Valmiki may not have known what was going to happen to him, he may not have expected God to transform him as he did. However, Valmiki did as the holy man said, and he never gave up...it seems he did it for years. God saw his faithfulness in his continuous meditation, and again God blessed him with his presence, by transforming him. God touches us when we least expect it, doesn't he? That is why it is good to pray, and keep praying, and never give up.

This story is also similar to Saint Monica and her son Saint Augustine. As a young man, Augustine was a womanizer, and his mother, Monica, prayed for his conversion for 20 years, which after that time, Augustine's life was tranformed, he was converted in his Faith, and became one of the greatest Saints in History. We have many books written by him.


I, too, enjoy talking to you!

So you did looked up for Valmiki's story. I do pray my friend. Faith and prayers has helped not once but many a times and truly blessed to understand that.

Have a great Sunday.

Bodhi

Hmmmmm... I get your point.

I agree with you. He is made to go through hell while he is still alive, and thats what makes him to repent for his heinous crime.

Thanks a lot for the wonderful response and thanks again for making me understand for what seemed to be a moral dilemma for me.

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But in the circumstances that he may be punished with capital punishment what mentality grows in the mind of the victim, is it possible that circumstances of his mind inspire him to be good. Just imagine the situation.... hanging rob is moving before him like a pendulum....... inspiration to be good ....where from ....he acquire such a mental strength to be good.
It is useful to some powerful people that they have time to save their child influencing the related substances.

Child from the common people have little chance to come out of juvenile. They just can wait there for the final end. That's the truth behind the curtain. Generally powerful has facilitated more by the law. As they have the power of influence.

Thank you for choosing my response.

Hi Rg,

You reasoning was something which answered my question, i was pondering over this issue for a long time my friend.

Well, I am glad I was able to provide a bit of insight. Actually, I remember having this same discussion when I was in senior high. Happy mylotting and best wishes.

Yes, God works in mysterious ways.

I think you haven't even read the post.

hi Karen,

It really makes me so sad when I ever come across such incidents. It is really a shattering, horrific thing to happen for someone paying up the price for something which he never did. It is indeed unfortunate.