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myLot reputation of 65/100. BCMike (3316)   ranked 330 out of 6,348 in politics4 weeks ago

After getting into a politically charged debate with a lady on facebook, I was not only dumped off her friends list, but completely blocked.

That's okay. Her right. But she took issue with the fact that as a Canadian, I was looking into the affairs of the US.

Those that know me, know I am all about democracy and controlling politicians in particular. While she was hacking away at Obama, I noted that during Bushes time, it was the Democrats banging away on him.

So getting on Obama was simply part of the game.

Not a game one poster pointed out. Oh but it is. And the two players in the US game are GOP or Democrat. Both control things and both are willing to share power over the citizens.

And somewhere along the way there, I pissed her off and POOF! There I was. GONE!

I suppose she thought I was trying to take away her right to crab about Obama.

So, Americans are really huge on buzz words. Today, I want to ask you what LIBERTY is? What is LIBERTY? Do you Americans have it? Or do you just THINK you have it?

 
 
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1. myLot reputation of 86/100. tdemex (2222)   ranked 350 out of 6,348 in politics   4 weeks ago

That word died over the last decade when they took our rights away and "My way or the Highway" puppet of his VP the true master at destroying the good ole USA, separated the parties to a point that is beyond ruin! Glad I moved to Mexico, because the good ole USA is on a self destruct trip and the great experiment of true democracy will be a failure!sleep tdemex


myLot reputation of 51/100. Taskr36 (4587)   ranked 409 out of 6,348 in politics  4 weeks ago

Th US has never, will never, and was never intended to be a true democracy. I'm amazed that at the age of 62 you still haven't learned that. True democracies are utter garbage because they rely on mob rule and the majority is almost always wrong.


myLot reputation of 82/100. jb78000 (1707)   ranked 189 out of 6,348 in politics  4 weeks ago

[tries to figure out whether taskr is being sarcastic or not]

dictatorships are the way forward then... blink


myLot reputation of 96/100. mommaj (1064)   ranked 459 out of 6,348 in politics  4 weeks ago

I thought that was what we are almost in. Scratch head. Confused. Even though we have the right to vote the people that we vote for have all the say.


myLot reputation of 86/100. tdemex (2222)   ranked 350 out of 6,348 in politics  4 weeks ago

We were talking about liberty! Democracy goes hand and hand with liberty and freedom! But I see the democracy part of it going down the tubes! Back in the 50's When "Leave it to Beaver" was king, things were looking good! But now thumbdown it's not looking good at least as far as I'm concerned! Mike gives a great example of why that is!wink tdemex

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2. myLot reputation of 57/100. Latrivia (1544)   ranked 306 out of 6,348 in politics   4 weeks ago

Truthfully, no one has real liberty. Americans enjoy more rights than most countries, and even those rights have limits.

Sounds like your "friend" just had a knee-jerk reaction to what she deemed as you butting into American business.


myLot reputation of 99/100. fjaril (4337)   ranked 1,088 out of 6,348 in politics  4 weeks ago

OUCH! "Americans enjoy more rights than most other countries" oooh.. so are you where in the developed world???? in Holland, Denmark, Belgium, Norway, England or Canada or??confused
Just name the 'most countries' for me that you are referring to.. or should I go on so you can pick one?? Which country over here are you in that you know all this or have you learned this from your professor??
I haven't seen you here in Sweden at all, either, but you seem very familiar with all the rights we have here NOT being in existance.

How confusing for all of us liberated people here, don't you think?

Talk about having a knee-jerking reaction.. etc...eh?


myLot reputation of 57/100. Latrivia (1544)   ranked 306 out of 6,348 in politics  4 weeks ago

You know, your reaction is so convincing I almost couldn't tell you were joking.

Like I said, it enjoys more rights than MOST countries. The last I checked, there were more countries in this world than those in Europe and North America. We definitely enjoy rights the English don't have - like gun ownership. Don't even get me started on China, the majority of the middle East, or the majority of Africa and South America.

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3. myLot reputation of 94/100. miamilady12 (152)   ranked 812 out of 6,348 in politics   4 weeks ago

First, I don't think it's a "game" but I agree that some (maybe many) treat it as a game.

Second, to me, Liberty is the freedom to speak my mind. The freedom to earn a living doing something that I choose to do. Or the freedom to be a stay at home mom. Liberty and freedom isn't perfect. It has it's limits. It has it's trade-offs.

Do we have it or do we think we have it? I think it's a little of both. As I said, it does have it's limits. But no form of government is perfect. Even if there were no government some would experience less freedom than others. The weak would experience no freedom while the strong would enjoy more freedom.

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4. myLot reputation of 73/100. Koriana (152)   ranked 97 out of 6,348 in politics   4 weeks ago

I think people give up liberty and freedom when they chose (or are forced) to become part of a society, or when they chose to become emotionally attached to another. I mean, you can be a hermit living in a cave, or live alone on some uninhabited island, and have all the liberty and freedom you want...why not, there's no one around who says you can't. but find someone you really care about and marry them, and soon you will be chosing not to do some things, because that person doesn't want you to, will harp on you about it, ect. Now, throw in a society, with it's laws, it's rules, and it's tabboos, and well, you have given up much of your freedom for the safety of the numbers.

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5. DeliasDowntime (18)   4 weeks ago

Well, personally I get your point, in the first place. And I don't see anything wrong with your expressing your opinion about American politics. For heaven's sake, we Americans express our opinion about politics and situations in other countries -- all the time, constantly, I see it online.

I feel that liberty is the ability to go about your business and speak your mind without fear of intrusion or loss of privacy, the ability to confront one's accuser, and more but I'm not writing an essay today lol. I do not feel there is complete liberty. Back when the Patriot Act passed, we went further backward, certainly not forward. The major political parties co operated in these actions, that's my point of view.

How silly to block someone you once considered a friend over that. Honestly, to me it shows a closed mind -- says much more about that person than about you, that is for sure.

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6. myLot reputation of 82/100. debrakcarey (1351)   ranked 156 out of 6,348 in politics   4 weeks ago

With liberty...comes responsibility and accountability. The minute we began crying for the government to save us from poverty....or pay for our food, homes, cars, healthcare....we gave up our liberty. That was a while back, wasn't it? happy


myLot reputation of 82/100. debrakcarey (1351)   ranked 156 out of 6,348 in politics  4 weeks ago

btw....differing opinions are what makes us more likely to be responsible and accountable before our fellow human beings. The trend of late is to avoid dissent...argument....debate. Which allows the propaganda machine to step in and tell us exactly what to think. Those who despise differing opinions or debate on issues...usually have had their mind already made up for them.

I won't kick you off my friends list. happy

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