here, have some rage today  | | Holocaust survivor and Nobel laureate Elie Wiesel criticized a Teabagger protester in Washington, DC this week who held up a sign showing dead bodies from the Dachau concentration camp stacked in a pile, and compared this to the Democrats' health care reform plan.
The replies go along these lines:
The jews need to clam up and accept the fact that they are in a Chritian country.
This hollowcost thing is totally overblown by the jewish.
Eli Wiesel should just go back to Indonesia. I don't see him condemnig the terrorist shooter at Fort Hood.
Elie is a whiner. She should stop her whining. You didn't not complane when the libs were calling Bush Hitler.
Stupid, misinformed, anti-Semitic... you name it, it's there. Sadly, the comments on the other blogs REPORTING the anti-Semitic comments are just as sick, stupid and anti-Semitic.
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| | | | | | | | 1. Rollo1 (1564) | 3 weeks ago | Why don't you tell us which blog these comments were on so we can see for ourselves if they are all like the ones you quote? I just found those comments on Politico, and they are not representative of all of the comments.
By the way, the term "Teabagger" is considered an insulting sexual reference and they do not call themselves that.
If you object to the poster, I would agree with you that it is in poor taste, but I don't think it is meant to be anti-semitic. The idea was obviously to draw comparisons between Obamacare and Nazi Germany. Or it might have been someone planted in the crowd with a poster that would get a lot of negative attention. Either way, I think it was in poor taste. So is using the term "teabagger".
If your point is that there are morons out there in the world, it's not a point in dispute. If you seek to label Tea Party demonstrators with "anti-semitic" you have to get quotes from them, not from anonymous idiots on a blog.
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anniepa (9169) | 3 weeks ago | I'll give you that the use of the term "teabagger" is in poor taste and in my own defense - call me ignorant or behind the times, but this is the honest truth! - I didn't have any idea of the sexual connotation behind the term until I read it here this summer.
However, comparing the use of an insulting and vulgar term to displaying a picture of stacked up corpses from a Nazi death camp like that person did at the rally/press conference last week is a bit much! I KNOW the person with the picture doesn't represent everyone who attended the rally or everyone who agrees with the protesters, not even close. What bothers me is the lack of response to it by all of the members of Congress gathered there on the steps! People here were outraged that the President and other Democrats failed to "condemn" Representative Allen Grayson for calling a woman a "K Street wh0re" but I'm sorry, this is many, MANY times worse. This is an indefensible slap in the face to all of those who died in the Holocaust and all of their survivors. Where's the outrage about this?
Annie
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Rollo1 (1564) | 3 weeks ago | I didn't know what a teabagger was until this summer either. It came into use as a degrading name for the protesters this summer thanks to Anderson Cooper. I think those of us who didn't know might have been better off not knowing.
My point was really that the OP's outrage would have been better expressed without insults. It takes away from the force of the argument. A link would have been helpful too but the website wasn't too hard to find.
I don't get outraged a lot by political shenanigans. I wasn't outraged by Alan Grayson, I think he's a moron. At the very least I think he says these things to get on the news.
The use of the picture of Holocaust victims was in poor taste. I know what they are trying to say, but I can't approve of how they said it. I disapprove but I am not outraged. I would be outraged by someone who says that the Holocaust didn't happen in the face of evidence such as the photographic record.
There will always be people who go too far, who are on the fringe of any group and unfortunately, it's not easy to distance yourself from crazy people who happen to agree with you on one or two points. It would have been a good idea for those who came to protest the health care reform bill to find a way to denounce that poster. If I had been there, I might have talked to that person and tried to find out what the purpose of their attendance was. Something like that simply draws attention away from the point of the gathering and keeps people from discussing the issue at hand.
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| | 2. anniepa (9169) | 3 weeks ago | I've been filled with rage since I first saw that horrid poster! You know what, I have no problem with anyone opposing the health care plan or going to Washington or wherever else they wish to go to express their views. However, to insult and demean the people who died in the Holocaust and their surviving family members is unacceptable and indefensible. So is comparing the passing of a health care plan to the threat from terrorists! These people should be ashamed of themselves; they're destroying any credibility they ever had by this type of behavior, in my opinion.
Annie
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Rollo1 (1564) | 3 weeks ago | "These people" - how many people were carrying that poster?
I don't think it was an insult to those who died in the Holocaust. An insult would be to deny it happened or say it was right that it happened. It went too far, but was not an insult. The OP's contention that it was "anti-semitic" doesn't work either. It was in poor taste and it would be helpful if those who organize these protests could weed out anyone who goes too far because it hurts their image. I don't know how practical it is to scour a crowd of thousands and try to eject individuals.
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anniepa (9169) | 3 weeks ago | ""These people" - how many people were carrying that poster?" And the point of this question is...?
"I don't think it was an insult to those who died in the Holocaust. An insult would be to deny it happened or say it was right that it happened." Well, if you don't think it was an insult then once again we'll have to agree to disagree because I think it was a huge insult! To imply that the health care plan being proposed, no matter how much one opposes that plan, is comparable to the Holocaust is an outrage, pure and simple!
I'm not going to argue over whether it was or was not anti-semitic because I don't think that's relevant here. What was shown in that horrible picture were HUMAN beings who had been brutally murdered.
"It went too far, but was not an insult." I'm glad you at least agree that it went to far but I know you think comparing the Democrats health care proposals to Nazis is perfectly acceptable and I disagree.
"It was in poor taste and it would be helpful if those who organize these protests could weed out anyone who goes too far because it hurts their image." It would be helpful if they'd at least acknowledge the existence of those who go to far instead of claiming they hadn't seen any evidence of that!
Annie
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| | 4. xfahctor (5134) | 3 weeks ago | This discussion can be taken one of two directions. We can either: a. Take these comments on a blog as a represenative example of the way main the main stream patriot movement thinks, in which case we would aslo apply the same vaildity to the years of comments i have read on blogs like the Huffington Pst and the Daily Kos (ya want me to go dig up comments?) or.. b. We can realize that people commenting on a blog are often idiots and are often posting out ragious things just to be assshats and get a rise out of people (looks like it worked pretty well didn't it) and the media. As to the hollocost poster, yeh, it was trying to make a point but did so very beadly and in incredibly poor tatse. I would also like to point out I have seen a good number of anti-semetic things written on blogs of the left wing persuaision, again, ya want me to go digging up comments? It seems anti-semetism is ok as long as it is comming from one side and on certian issues, such as the palistinian-isreali conflict.
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