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 Do you love your country? Would you fight a war for it and for freedom? Have you served in the army just because of patriotism? Would you die for the state?
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1.  menolly22 (120) | 1 month ago |  I do love my country. I am convinced that I live in the best country in the world. I would fight in a war and for freedom. I don't think I'd be very good at it though. I'd be that pansy girl crying in the corner. LOL
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 satan88 (857) | 1 month ago | lol same here instead i'd be the pansy guy crying in the corner. I'm sure i'll be one of the first to die. I can barely run 5 minutes without gasping for air. | |
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2.  MJay101 (444) | 1 month ago |  Do I love my country? - No.
Would I fight a war for it? - No.
Would I fight a war for freedom? - Yes, but I do not believe we (in the UK) are 'free'.
Have I served in the army? - No.
Would I die for the state? - well, that rather depends on the state! I don't see 'state' and 'country' as one and the same thing.
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| satan88 (857) | 1 month ago | ok then what is the difference between state and country? i though state meant government or something. I'm ashamed as a self proclaimed history/politics expert. | |
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| MJay101 (444) | 1 month ago | Well - consider the Soviet Union. A clear example where 'country' and 'state' were by no means one and the same.
Also consider civil war, devolution, post-colonial independence, etc.
To take an example: does a Scotsman fight for the state, or for his country? (Or neither?)
I think the state often represents class interests - and not necessarily pure patriotism. But this is only my opinion! | |
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| 3. grandpa_lash (1693) | 1 month ago |  It always puzzles me when patriotism and freedom get mentioned in the same sentence. We had out national Remembrance Day yesterday, and a news item mentioned our soldiers fighting for "freedom". Freedom from what? We've never been unfree, unless you consider our subservience to first British and later American political pressure as being in bondage. All the wars we have fought have been in foreign countries for political reasons. The closest Australia got to fighting for freedom was in WWII when the Japanese forces got as far as New Guinea and seriously threatened our shores.
As for patriotism itself, no, I'm not patriotic in the standard sense. Yes, I cheer when our swimmers win gold at the Olympics, but I consider militaristic patriotism to be one of the great evils man has subjected man to. I will fight to defend myself and mine, and so would have gone to fight the Japanese in WWII if I'd been old enough, not because of any patriotic sense of defending the State, but in the simple pragmatic sense of defending myself and mine.
My country is the geographical and cultural entity in which I live, and if that were attacked I would fight, as mentioned above. But the State, as such, is an ideological construct for which I would never consider dying. Apart from religion, the concept of State is responsible for more evil than any other ideology.
Lash
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| satan88 (857) | 1 month ago | it's funny i've never made that distinction between. state and country but this is a real eye opener. It's remembrance day in canada today which is why i asked so many questions about government and country. All that stuff about wars and patriotism are all over the news right now. | |
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| grandpa_lash (1693) | 1 month ago | To expand a little, the State is a purely political entity, a facade behind which all kinds of pragmatism are allowed free rein. It is made up of politicians, bureaucrats, economists, and other powermongers, and has little at all to do with ordinary people or their needs and desires. A country is a community, made up of real people, with real human strengths and weaknesses. Yes, we can have an emotional/psychological, or even mystical attachment to the country/culture in which we live, and that is worth fighting for, but not for some abstract ideological/political BS which uses "country" as a false motive/incentive for political and economic adventurism.
Unfortunately, most of us are socialised to believe what these abstract monsters, our leaders, tell us, and thus blindly allow ourselves to be manipulated into confusing the abstract State with our concrete country.
Lash
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| satan88 (857) | 1 month ago | ok thanks that really helped. your definition is way better than any i could ever find on wikipedia or yahoo answers, or some stupid blog. You have no idea how long i looked before i can piece together a good definition from various sites but yours trumped them all. | |
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4.  HansonFan (863) | 1 month ago |  I don't think I necessarily love my country. I like it enough, but not enough to fight for it and definitely not enough to die for it. Everything seems to be going downhill and I don't even vote because I don't believe it helps. Drives my grandparents crazy but thats the way I feel and I havent been proven wrong yet.
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| satan88 (857) | 1 month ago | lol for me it's the other way around. it drives me crazy that my parents and grandparents don't vote. | |
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