We Wish You A Merry Christmas provided that you are NOT:
By p1kef1sh
@p1kef1sh (45681)
December 7, 2009 6:29am CST
A lesbian, female bishop in the Episcopalian church. The Episcopalian church's decision to ordain the Reverend Mary Glasspool as a suffragan Bishop in Los Angeles has really upset the Anglican community. But does it matter? At best the Anglican community is a loose federation of churches ranging from the extreme evangelical to Anglo-Catholic and at worst a disparate group of self serving populist "churches". If christianity is your bag is the ordination of a lesbian bishop a step too far? Or an wonderful example of diversity being embraced by the church?
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@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
7 Dec 09
I'm not exactly a Christian, but I think it's a good thing for a religion that's supposedly about loving your neighbor to stop excluding people. I don't believe homosexuality is a choice anyway, I believe you're born that way, and that kind of discrimination makes as much sense as excluding somebody on the basis of their skin color. People who believe homosexuality is a choice will disagree with me, of course.
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@sparkofinsanity (20471)
• Regina, Saskatchewan
7 Dec 09
For me the real question is, "Does God really care?" I doubt it. The bible mentions male homosexuality, but no where does it touch on the subject of female homosexuality. Guess even Heaven can't resist a little girl on girl action. LOL
I'm off to confession now for blasphemy...................
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@sparkofinsanity (20471)
• Regina, Saskatchewan
7 Dec 09
LOL Didn't know that little tidbit about the old girl.
As for men only buggering it up for a hundred years or so..................you wish! LOL
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@redhotpogo (4398)
• United States
17 Dec 09
If it goes against a belief than its just stupid to allow it. If you do something that is not Christian, then you are no longer Christian. I don't care what you believe in, or what gets you off, but you can't demand that a group change to fit your needs. The Catholic church is catholocism, and not christianity, so whatever they do they do for themselves.
@redhotpogo (4398)
• United States
17 Dec 09
There's a simple solution. There is a book called the bible. The words are in black and white, very simple to read. If it doesn't match up, then its not the same. Go fish.

@trisha27 (3494)
• United States
7 Dec 09
I am a Christian, in my church we except all people even gays and lesbians. Although there is no office in my religion for Bishop, so I believe although my church is excepting of everyone, probably most likely wouldn't let a gay or lesbian hold an office such as that. We turn away no one though gay, lesbian, straight, killer whatever.
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@danishcanadian (28954)
• Canada
12 Dec 09
I think the church (and not just this one) needs to come into the 21st century. I think that a female lesbian bishop in any religion is a sign of diversity, but howcome we're not diverse already? Why is there still sexism, when racism is such an appalling concept? Why aren't more people as appaled at sexism as they are at racism?
@stephcjh (38473)
• United States
10 Dec 09
I think there is quite a bit of adversity in this. It is awful that it is coming from a church too. I thought everyone was to be created equally? I think we all know that does not hold true.
@Pose123 (21635)
• Canada
8 Dec 09
Hi p1kef1sh, The Episcopalian church is indeed a leader in the worldwide Anglican Communion and I completely agree with their decision. The RT Rev.V. Gene Robinson is an openly gay bishop in the church. There are without doubt clergy in every denomination within Christianity who are gay, I ask isn't it better to be honest than to be hiding the truth? I live in Canada where the Anglican church has been trying to deal with the question for the past ten years, unable or unwilling to make a decision. I think that all Christian churches should be leaders in human rights and a place where everyone is accepted for who they are. Blessings.
@p1kef1sh (45681)
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8 Dec 09
I agree but unfortunately the Anglican communion is just a corrupt as any other church Pose. Personally I am not opposed to the ordination of female bishops etc and I do understand the objection to homosexuals - although personally I don't see that it matters. This will drive a wedge through the Church though. Canterbury is losing his influence and I see trouble heading their way.
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@aerous (13434)
• Philippines
10 Dec 09
I think that is a desperate move of that church. Because that is clear a sin to have a lesbian bishop. If you base on the bible about your belief I think that is condemnable and a mortal sin...God, prohibit those acts of lesbianism and they should not do that?
@greenfeathers (1206)
• United States
8 Dec 09
Well, christianity is my bag but I'll not take the abomination route which may begin a stone the heretic party. I've been the guest of honor at quite a few, so its nothing new to me. But, as for yourselves, for safety sake don't stand too close..
That ramble done..Insofar as the general christian notion of homosexuality is concerned, I don't agree. The Bible states (in the older King James versions) 'for a man to sleep with a man AS a woman is an abomination unto the Lord!' which, without getting too funky, is a condemnation against wasting of the seed, which '..is better in a w*hore than to be wasted upon the ground.'
Obviously, as a woman does not carry the seed, the condemnation does not include lesbian relationships (see any stones yet?) unlike what a lot of christians would have one believe with the across the board 'GO TO HELL!' edict.
And I can't help but think of a fella named Saul who had a thing for killing christians and was quite proficent at the sport, from what I hear tell. But, as christian folk know, he got drafted to the other side and went on to be the greatest post crucifixian prophet, which says to me stuff about judging folks by action rather than potential. His potential was greater than his then actions.
So, to finally get to your question..No, I don't believe that it an example of diversity in action, but, then again, its not a step too far either. (Sorry, I have trouble with either/or yes/no questions)
As stated in one of the responses, God's letting this happen and I'm content to watch and see just where it goes and why..
Enjoy!
@lynkshadow (299)
• Canada
8 Dec 09
This is an obvious example of diversity being embraced by the church. To bar her from said position due to the fact that she's female and gay would be discrimination. What would Jesus have done? He had female disciples. He would be accepting while alot of other people would not.
@p1kef1sh (45681)
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9 Dec 09
I suspect that Jesus was as discriminatory as any other jew of his time. Other than Mary Magdalene what other active female disciples can you name? However, today we do think that barring someone from an ecclesiastical position on the grounds of their gender or sexuality is seen as unaceptable only in some parts of the Church. The Orthodox churches, the Roman Catholic church, Islam all honour women but follow male spiritual leaders. There's a long way to go yet.
@LittleMel (8742)
• Canada
25 Apr 10
I was Catholic but left my religion last year
It was never my choice I was baptized into it as a baby and I never really found my answers there anyway
I found my answers, not in religions at all
your question is not for people like me, but I hope you don't mind me responding:
I'd say it depends on the church
do they really accept this lesbian as bishop or her ordination is just some kind of attempt to gain more members/ gain stronger position in the today's society etc
@AnnieOakley1 (5596)
• Canada
7 Dec 09
What you said, that last part. Wonderful example of diversity.
People are too judgemental these days, in my opinion. To each his own. Everyone should be allowed to worship whom and how they choose.
*HUGS*
Blessings.
@tamarafireheart (15384)
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7 Dec 09
Hi p1key,
Well this has just gone way over my heade, but does it really matter if this lady is a lesbian or not? as long as her faith is strong and it whats she wants the church should let be ordain. Hugs.
Tamara
xxxx
@May2k8 (19788)
• Indonesia
7 Dec 09
generally speak I'm not Christian, I think it doesn't matter on gender. I've seen gay in the mosque, but it was not too problematic because gay also men who want to live together with normal human. Some people exiled them, but how people can determine their nature, if indeed it was their destiny? Do not dispose them, bring they together with us.
@jahernandezrivas (11287)
• United States
17 Dec 09
I think it's a wonderful thing and a step towards diversity.
@Revan2009 (469)
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7 Dec 09
I personally don't mind whether a lesbian or female is a bishop.
But I do wonder why they even bother having a church that cannot obide by the rules placed upon the religion by Jesus himself and those that were directly taught by him?
I believe the church is no longer Christian and should be excommunicated for conforming to social change and making those before them --- all the way back to Jesus himself wrong and implementing their own rules. Do the Bishops think they know more than Jesus or previous Bishops?
The Bible says they're wrong. Just pointing that out to you...
@p1kef1sh (45681)
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8 Dec 09
I do not believe that a single church in the world can be "pure" in it's interpretation of the Bible. In fact, barely any author of the chapters themselves actually lived at the same time as Jesus. The Bible is riddled with contradictions and inconsistencies to the extent that only a general sense of what Jesus might have actually said can be reliably gleaned.





















