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myLot reputation of 93/100. eileenleyva (2949)   ranked 16 out of 3,627 in philippines 3 years ago

GMA had declared Martial Law in the poor province of Maguindanao, south of the Philippine Islands. Her presidency had deemed the military rule necessary to foil a rebellion that supposedly brewed after the gross massacre of 57 people, including media men who wanted to witness and record a group of people file their certificates of candidacy and thereby challenge the powerful incumbent. The 57 were killed in cold blood and were thrashed in a grave with their utility vehicles. The remains were unearthed with the use of a backhoe. The people pointed to the Ampatuan clan responsible for the mass murder. They hold the mayoralty, the governorship, and whatever position there was to make a power play covered from all angles. And the display of mansions gracing plains and hills speak for power that would make anyone cower. Yet, they buried the guns that would enable them to resist and fight the armed forces of the Philippines. Where is the rebellion in that? The Ampatuan men must be made responsible for the murder. Rebellion is another story.

 

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1. myLot reputation of 98/100. agv0419 (2934)   ranked 21 out of 3,627 in philippines   3 years ago

I heard in the news that they are helping to fight the MILF that's why they have many firearms. I'm very curious how they acquired such wealth because they have many mansions aside from Maguindanao I've read on the newspaper a while ago that they also have mansions here in Manila and Cavite. According from what I've read they have 23 mansions which in fact their constituents there in Maguindanao are poor and lack of everything.


myLot reputation of 93/100. eileenleyva (2949)   ranked 16 out of 3,627 in philippines  3 years ago

The MILF, too, is another story. The local government is responsible for its people. The powerful, heavy firearms unearthed were not meant for protection but for war. War is the responsibility of the armed forces, not the ordinary citizens. Something is terribly horrifying in supplying the mayor, the governor and whoever with guns.

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2. myLot reputation of 92/100. vandana7 (6658)   ranked 1,048 out of 3,627 in philippines   3 years ago

Oh! God. This is terrible. Though its ages since I read much about Phillipines, (Aquino assasination, and then I think Corizon Aquino coming to power - and Imelda Marcos being tried for the number of footwear she used to keep). I always thought your country was far more peaceful than ours. :( You've prompted me to read through some information. I agree though that the two issues should be treated in isolation. By the way, I do not maintain more than 3 pairs of footwear anytime, a kind of psychological fear about becoming like that lady. :)


myLot reputation of 92/100. vandana7 (6658)   ranked 1,048 out of 3,627 in philippines  3 years ago

Oops, spelt your country wrong. :( Sorry. it is essentially typo. :(


myLot reputation of 92/100. vandana7 (6658)   ranked 1,048 out of 3,627 in philippines  3 years ago

And Corazon as well. :( Need to check spelling as well. :(


myLot reputation of 93/100. eileenleyva (2949)   ranked 16 out of 3,627 in philippines  3 years ago

The Philippines is truly a peaceful and beautiful country. The Filipinos are very kind, friendly, and hospitable, except for a two handfuls of greedy, power hungry few. A Filipino teacher currently bagged the CNN Hero of the Year award. But his glory was overshadowed by a political family who played gods in the south. They killed people by peppering their bodies with bullets from heavy artillery. A sad story for any brown blood really.

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3. myLot reputation of 99/100. jules67 (2295)   ranked 19 out of 3,627 in philippines   3 years ago

What happened unleashed more wrong doings of the political clan who is a loyal supporter of GMA. Where did those guns come from? Of course, from the government. Why did they allow this clan to possess an arsenal of weapons. They (Ampatuans) should be held responsible for the heinous crime they committed. The government should do every thing they can to give justice to those who perished in this mass killing. If GMA can't do anything about this, it only proves that is a lame duck president.


neilkonradiii (4)   ranked 1,573 out of 3,627 in philippines  3 years ago

The Arroyo administration created a monster in the Ampatuans. It's obvious that the weapons came from the government arsenal and given the number as well as the types recovered, I won't be surprised if somebody high-up, and I mean REALLY high-up, has knowledge of this. This is an issue that had already been raised by the Magdalo group. Now the government has no way to deny it's involvement.

They say that Ampatuan's private army helped the government fight a rebel group (the Moro Islamic Liberation Front or MILF) and while I may not agree with what the MILF is fighting for, at least they're fighting for something and that's something one can at least respect. Amaptuan's group on the other hand are nothing more than a bunch of goons.

I'm from Northern Mindanao so this incident hits pretty close to home. It's a shame that this had to happen.


myLot reputation of 93/100. eileenleyva (2949)   ranked 16 out of 3,627 in philippines  3 years ago

My stomach is still revolting from this news. I had refrained from looking at the footage of the bodies dug from the makeshift grave. I can understand suicide bombers because they believe they die for a cause and a principle. But this Ampatuan killing, this is repulsive.

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4. myLot reputation of 85/100. triplejazzm51 (787)   ranked 2,283 out of 3,627 in philippines   3 years ago

Well, the guns they say are those that were used in the mass murder, they burried them so that no evidence will be found. you're right the rebellion is far from the real offense the Ampatuans committed. Media says GMA is cooking something with her declaration of Martial Law in Maguindanaw. They also said that GMA is diverting the real crime to something milder than murder because the Ampatuans are GMA's ally. Personally, i dont really kno what its is, the people of the Philippines are continuously fooled and we cannot do anything. It's good the media people are vigilant and there are some human rights advocate who rally's for justice. You see, we could not really be sure as to who is reliable. I think i dont know whom to believe anymore, i just wait for the next things to happen. According to news also, supporters of the Ampatuans have come to Manila and there is a risks of terrorism in this place. Military are on red alert for that. Haaaay, we just have to be careful and vigilant, at least GMA knows that the Filipino people are aware and we are not that stupid to just believe in everything they do.


myLot reputation of 93/100. eileenleyva (2949)   ranked 16 out of 3,627 in philippines  3 years ago

I believe in command responsibility. The incumbent had much to account for, if not in this life, so in the next. The oath sworn was justice for every man. I am waiting for that.

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5. neilkonradiii (4)   ranked 1,573 out of 3,627 in philippines   3 years ago

Just an idea: could it be that they hid the weapons so that the Arroyo administration will not be implicated as the source of their weapons? I mean, they knew that the world would demand an investigation.I remember seeing a news report about a day after the massacre stating that Ampatuan's armed group has been disbanded and the weapons confiscated. However the weapons displayed were mostly old M1 Garand rifles! I'm from Mindanao and I have seen firsthand the armaments these bodyguards of powerful political clans have: M4 carbines, H&K submachine guns etc...

Speaking of mansions, Maguindanao is one of the poorest provinces in the Philippines but looking at the Ampatuan's mansions, one would not think that.

This just proves that absolute power corrupts absolutely.


myLot reputation of 93/100. eileenleyva (2949)   ranked 16 out of 3,627 in philippines  3 years ago

A general speaking for the armed forces said that the artillery used in the massacre could shoot from two kilometers away. Leaves nothing to the imagination.


neilkonradiii (4)   ranked 1,573 out of 3,627 in philippines  3 years ago

Uhm..AFAIK,they did not use artillery in the massacre.I'm no expert, but by definition artillery are large caliber(105mm, 80mm) crew-served weapons such as cannons, howitzers, and mortars, used for indirect fire.
By comparison, the M16 rifle is a 5.56mm weapon.
Also, artillery rounds usually explode on impact, resulting in damage to the surrounding area where the shell lands.This "kill radius" could be anywhere from 5 to 30 meters.Had the perpetrators used these type of weapon, they would also have died in the blast.
But then again, maybe those are the type of weapons that should be used on the perpetrators and brains of the massacre:stuff them into howitzers and blast them into oblivion!


myLot reputation of 93/100. eileenleyva (2949)   ranked 16 out of 3,627 in philippines  3 years ago

The information is highly appreciated. I share the same viewpoint angry but let us allow the long arm of the law do justice for every man.thumbup Keep safe in your home place. happy

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6. myLot reputation of 90/100. rsa101 (9174)   ranked 37 out of 3,627 in philippines   3 years ago

Well I have one theory on why they buried the arms underground. Maybe it is because it is the last place to looks for it but they were wrong the military got the intelligence report so they got ahead and got caught. They were anticipating that military would raid their houses known as part of them so they have nowhere to hide their arms cache but underground were they were not expecting that military is really monitoring them. They will resist once the military started arresting the elder Ampatuans but unfortunately the arms cache was discovered first before they are arrested so the arm movement was foiled in the process.

Although I agree with you that we did not see any armed resistance at all and there was not even a single shot that I heard from the news that transpired. I am seeing an overkill on the declaration of martial law. We could already see that the military can still function without any resistance from the Ampatuans. I am seeing that this might weaken the case after 60 days if the lawyers of the Ampatuans would contest the warrantless arrest made during this 60 day Martial Law which could technically free them.


myLot reputation of 93/100. eileenleyva (2949)   ranked 16 out of 3,627 in philippines  3 years ago

The armed forces are capable of restoring normalcy without Martial Law. The legislative body had been racking their brains for sanity. Let us see if they could rise to make this event worth jotting down in history.


myLot reputation of 90/100. rsa101 (9174)   ranked 37 out of 3,627 in philippines  3 years ago

Although I stand corrected as there is a report that the convoy of cars that carries some more evidences to Gen. Santos City were ambushed on their way to the General Santos City. That was the only arm conflict I ever heard from the province which is related to the Massacre case.

I also heard that putting them arrested for rebellion charges would even lessen the degree of the case because the murder would be included already in the rebellion charges which gives them a much lighter penalty if found guilty than if they were charged with Murder. I think the Administration is finding ways to lighten the case to rebellion which is a much lighter penalties on the ground that it was a political crime and not a criminal crime anymore.


myLot reputation of 93/100. eileenleyva (2949)   ranked 16 out of 3,627 in philippines  3 years ago

Yes, it is December but it feels like a midsummer night's dream. I wish I could write a good ending to all the hullabaloo going one but the current situation defies every writer's imaginative storyline. Now we have to wait for Monday for a most pressing decision... to revoke or not. Gosh! When ML gets lifted today, what happens? Will the exercise continue to determine the soundness of the proclamation?confused


myLot reputation of 90/100. rsa101 (9174)   ranked 37 out of 3,627 in philippines  3 years ago

Everybody is all praying for the early resolution to this case. It seems that even though our loved ones are not included in the massacre we felt that gravity of the case fell down upon us and we are all affected somehow. I just do not know if the people behind the administration is also with the masses' sentiments.


myLot reputation of 93/100. eileenleyva (2949)   ranked 16 out of 3,627 in philippines  3 years ago

The Maguindanao massacre is as grim as the holocaust of the Jews. Many in the executive and the legislative bodies are callous enough not to see that.angrysad

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7. myLot reputation of 79/100. xtedaxcvg (2431)   ranked 104 out of 3,627 in philippines   3 years ago

Well, I think there's more than meets the eye here. Burying the guns are just a way to hide the evidence and I agree that they might have thought of it as the last place the army/police would look. When the army raided the Ampatuan house, and in turn their vaults, they found nothing.. dont tell me you'll create a vault similar to those you see in banks and then load them with nothing but empty space? There were theories that the reason why GMA asked the Ampatuans be charged with rebellion is for it to crumble due to lack of evidence. Luck still holds, rebellion is charged to the Ampatuans along with multiple counts of murder. Now about the Martial Law declaration, I think it's just a tip of the iceberg. Maybe it's a taste of what's to come in case worse comes to worst? Let's hope and pray that's not the case..


myLot reputation of 93/100. eileenleyva (2949)   ranked 16 out of 3,627 in philippines  3 years ago

I had been on the streets once before and that was something I would not wish on my children. If duty calls for me to make a stand again, so be it. And God be my witness for loving this islands.

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8. myLot reputation of 91/100. ybong007 (4482)   ranked 2 out of 3,627 in philippines   3 years ago

Murder or rebellion doesn't matter to me. If you have enough guns and ammunition to fight two battalions of army then I would consider it as rebellion. What on earth would the ampatuans horde such number of guns and ammo for? I'm sure not for the government because as we all know the ampatuans are GMA's strongest ally in Mindanao. I think you have rebelled against the state if you have your own private army, you have enough guns and ammo, even private armored vehicles at your disposal, you have enough money as shown in the number of mansions you own. Given the wealth and power the ampatuans have, they can easily get away with murder. But rebellion is another story. Cheers!


myLot reputation of 93/100. eileenleyva (2949)   ranked 16 out of 3,627 in philippines  3 years ago

Murder and rebellion matter to me very much. Both threaten the peace every human being has a right to live with. And the arms matter, too. That is a weapon for curtailing life.


myLot reputation of 91/100. ybong007 (4482)   ranked 2 out of 3,627 in philippines  3 years ago

What i'm trying to say in my first sentence is it doesnt matter to me on what grounds they'll sue the ampatuans for. be it for murder or rebellion as long as the victims get the justice they deserved. Apologies for the confusion wink . Cheers!


myLot reputation of 93/100. eileenleyva (2949)   ranked 16 out of 3,627 in philippines  3 years ago

I am with you. I agree completely. No one must be given the privilege of putting up his own army. I was also expressing a sentiment in my response. I apologize for not making it clear.confused

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9. myLot reputation of 95/100. junmae (1351)   ranked 494 out of 3,627 in philippines   3 years ago

Yes you are right, I also couldn't think why Gloria declare Martial law because of rebellion because i believe that no rebellion happens during massacre. The murder and rebellion are different stories. I think that Gloria is just looking for a way to conquer the country because obviously she doesn't want to let go of her position right now. I am not surprised if one day she will declare martial law in the country.


myLot reputation of 93/100. eileenleyva (2949)   ranked 16 out of 3,627 in philippines  3 years ago

Martial Law is an extreme measure. Although the armed forces follow the chain of command, I do not think the generals are foolish to carry on a command detrimental to the nation. The soldiers were sworn to protect the citizens and they know that. The misguided military and police in Maguindanao had recently learned their lesson. They must serve the people, not just one power hungry illegitimately posted incumbent. I had seen how the Filipinos had risen to the occasion when their physical presence was needed most. I believe in the Filipino. They will bind again, when duty calls.

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