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myLot reputation of 99/100. fjaril (6097)   ranked 15 out of 26,919 in people 3 years ago

SAAB finally has a new chance in Sweden. It has been a terrible agonizing time for many Swedes, these tactless talks and negotiations that dragged out between interested purchasers, (then rejected) and GM.

I tried to not feel the pain when they published.. "NO the hope is gone"

THEN "Yes , a wee hope remains" and this went back and forth,, agonizing..

O,, how hard to see the faces of masses of people with agony and sorrow written on their faces as they stood amassed together in Trollhatten,, the home of SAAB industry and its 3,500 employess, not to mention all the partners in creativity and supplies. It was impossible to look into the faces of those people without bringing tears and anger and disgust! and NOT just to me.

It would have been a ghost town.. imagine a 2O10 ghost town?? Sweden is already in trouble with the economic changes!

And yet,, they were third highest in the world behind Canada and the USA with money amounts sent to immdeiately aid Haiti..amazing isn't it?


 

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1. myLot reputation of 99/100. pergammano (3547)   ranked 1,474 out of 26,919 in people   3 years ago

welcome to the world of economic downturn! 3500 employees supports a township of approxiamately 20,000! Between Canada and the USA, between Ford and GM, tens of thousands have lost their jobs...not just he factory workers, but the closing of dealerships, service shops, suppliers,etc. I truly hope that this wake up call will help these manufacturers (now being rescued) to turn out a product that is truly viable, dependable, without built in obsolescence. Endurability is a good trait to help sustain economies. THE "HAVE'S" buy the NEW vehicle off the line...the "HAVE NOT'S" buy the used vehicle....everyone is kept busy & employed!
Congratulations on your Haiti aid....very hard NOT to assist in anyway one can! Cheers!


myLot reputation of 99/100. fjaril (6097)   ranked 15 out of 26,919 in people  3 years ago

hi there my friend! I know we are not alone.. I know what the economy has done to Canadians, Americans and many mnay others as well.. How money talks and maims and kills.

I really wasn't trying to brag about the amount of aid from here to Haiti,, I meant to make a point. We are only 9 million people. In these kinds of crisis, to ordinary people around the world.. it is often those who are suffering themselves that come to aid other sufferers.. inspite of their own situations. We have alot of unemployed now and funds for them and those sick have been decreased to all to compensate.. People have to leave the homes they love and sell cheap to keep surviving.. and yet money goes continously from here to others out of country because we know and understand suffering here too.

I am grateful I can look again at the faces of Trollhatten's SAAB workers and all the subsidary businesses that depend on them and their work and that supply them as well.

Another cog passed in the huge wheel.


myLot reputation of 99/100. pergammano (3547)   ranked 1,474 out of 26,919 in people  3 years ago

Furthermore, dear friend, I was NOT trivializing Trollhatten's misery! So many towns in B.C. like Prince George, Prince Rupert, etc., have fallen into extreme HARD times, as their entire infrastructure WAS/IS based on ONE industry! The Industry arrived.....the town/city built around it, the industry fails, so does the town! Our "logging/lumber" industry is on FAIL mode....so now the challenge is for the town to re-build...some like Prince Rupert have by dredging and building a "deep-sea" port, thereby employing everyone. We are learning many great lessons from the recent economic glitch.

Our "Governor General" from Canada is from Jacmel, Haiti, so we felt the extra push to aid...and we do have 33+ million population! Take care...and cheers!


myLot reputation of 99/100. fjaril (6097)   ranked 15 out of 26,919 in people  3 years ago

Thanks for all that information!! I really appreciated you informing so well on what had been happening there. I care!! It is a good thing to see the Canadian perspective also.. I care about that to, for obvious reasons! A very good people, in my belief!
Thanks my friend, so very much!


myLot reputation of 99/100. pergammano (3547)   ranked 1,474 out of 26,919 in people  3 years ago

I truly hope that I did NOT offend you, as I realized that my first comment seemed very insensitive, but that is NOT what I intended!

My perspective is/was; that NOW that we have had the "wake-up" call, we had bette get back to basics, be it personally, collectively as a community..or globally, as the spin-off from GM was SAAB, and it's near demise! Part of my education, was the sage sayings of my elders...one of which fits our economic situation now..and that is; "DO NOT PUT ALL YOUR EGGS IN ONE BASKET." Something that I have carried in the back of my mind, all my life and has kept me adaptable to the situation at hand!

I do apologize for seemingly being insensitive...I do care about the plight of anyone facing a terrible downturn in their lives! Cheers!


myLot reputation of 99/100. fjaril (6097)   ranked 15 out of 26,919 in people  3 years ago

There is no need whatsoever to apologize to me, my dear cousin! There is nothing to apologize for! You gave me your perspective and I surely appreciate it, and I gave you mine and you in turn.. THAT, to me , is a discussion.. I thought we were speaking Swedish, actually, as you sounded like a Swede and I became very comfortable.. looking at the different views and commenting on them..
But then, please forgive me,... that because you also being Canadian, I should have been more sensitive to the generous kind caring nature of Canadians and that you might not find me as friendly sounding as your regular countrymen. I should learn better.. finally..never to take for granted that expression in words on paper is never the same as speaking in person

My humble apology. wanna meet me in NFLD( is that halfway) for coffee and a niced baked something??


myLot reputation of 99/100. pergammano (3547)   ranked 1,474 out of 26,919 in people  3 years ago

Oh...my goodness...NFLD! I would, far prefer a "klatch" in the Mother Country!

AND...actually some of your "Java!"

One thing...it seems that I have not learned...Writing is very tangible! Written proof..in black and white! Speaking wafts on the wind...and seldom is re-iterated verbatim! So, I must be more careful of what I write...and throw caution to the wind when I speak...LOL! Let the BS roll! Ohhh...mine papa would not be pleased with that statement. Take care..and Cheers!

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2. myLot reputation of 77/100. rameshkumaar57 (2803)   ranked 2,651 out of 26,919 in people   3 years ago

Good evening Fjaril. The same thing happened about 20 years back in my city. There was a car company by name, Standard Motors, they were making Triumph cars before Independence and after Independence when foriegn things were banned in India, they started to make cars of their own. They were quite cute looking cars, and we were one of the proud owners of one their cars. Its name was standard herald, it was a two door car, and you have to push the front seat to climb into the back.
Labour problems cropped up in the company and it was closed down and more than 5000 families suffered. Nobody did any help to them.The place where the factory stood, is now being promoted a special Economic Zone.
About 10 years back, a Clothing company, one of the biggest named B & C mills, closed down, and more than 6,000 to 7,000 families suffered. The area became a ghost town for some years. Now the land where the mill stood is being promoted as a big mall, hotel, and fully furnished apartments.Just think of these families, most of them starved, and begged for food. Many committed sucide.Life was very cheap, at that time.
Today not a single company is being closed and on the contrary,Indians are buying business through out the world.Recession did not affect India very much. Life is a cycle. One suffers one day, and some one else suffers some other day.


myLot reputation of 99/100. fjaril (6097)   ranked 15 out of 26,919 in people  3 years ago

Ramesh!!Thankyou for that detailed accounting of what has been happening there. You know me well enough that you KNEW I would be interested and also heartened as well at the changes that have occurred in recent times. I also am glad you told me of the fate of many brave people,, It helps not them. unfotunately, but me, to put my own concerns in proper perspective. Thanks for that!

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3. myLot reputation of 97/100. sarahruthbeth22 (15801)   3 years ago

It doesn't amaze me at all, Bror. Swedes are insightful people. they get it beore the rest of us . As insghtful people you guys see the world as a whole . Not just divided into the haves and the have nots.ps. I'm glad to hear about SAAB.


myLot reputation of 99/100. fjaril (6097)   ranked 15 out of 26,919 in people  3 years ago

Thankyou Sarah, for your kind words.. We are very grateful here too.. It is always hard to look at the agony of suffering people wherever in the world they may be, isn't it so? Take good care of you , Sarah!

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4. myLot reputation of 99/100. writersedge (7235)   ranked 441 out of 26,919 in people   3 years ago

You should be very proud of Sweden.

Despite all the problems, we've all been trying to help the Haitians.

I'm wondering if there will be modern ghost towns here, too. When we had one business start to go under, 3 houses per street were for sale with no one to sell them to with no immediate businesses coming in. Someone came in and took over, but they took on only half the people.

My husband works where a thousand people were employed, before Christmas, they were down to 210 and soon they will be down to 20. He helps make subway cars. Done by bids and if others outbid them, no contracts, no employment. The price of metal and other materials are killing the bidding right now. Many places just don't have to money to bid or replace cars. For awhile, during $4 a gallon gas, subway car business was booming, esp. with the cheap cost of metal. Now gas is below $3 a gallon and cities aren't asking for more subway cars or they're giving to other bidders.

At the end of February, we may be in trouble.

I hope Trollhatten does not end up a ghost town and that they can keep working. Somehow.


myLot reputation of 99/100. fjaril (6097)   ranked 15 out of 26,919 in people  3 years ago

With this discussion was meant the final relief that the agony is over.. While your government gave billions to the auto industry BIGS there a while back, to bail them out yet again, GM decided to dump SAAB..so business goes.. so it always goes.. but the agony was unbelievable.. as it was on and off again over and over in who GM would sell SAAB to for the best possible deal.. The deal finally made months later.. Life is like that. I know only too well, myself, so I understood WHY.. just not the heartlessness of it all.
Money talks.. people are but pawns and your example of what is happening there just now and how it will affect people like your hubby?? yes.. I am worrying for you too.

I will say one more thing.. and it is a universal thing.. the rich have it all and do not care about you or me.. business is all about the money.. I worry for you!


myLot reputation of 99/100. writersedge (7235)   ranked 441 out of 26,919 in people  3 years ago

Amen!

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5. myLot reputation of 98/100. Torunn (1536)   ranked 4,851 out of 26,919 in people   3 years ago

Go SAAB!

We have had a lot of them, we've got two now, but what I've never understood is how a company that started out making airplanes can produce cars that are literally glued to the ground? I think the lowest one is about 5 cm above the ground, or possibly 3 cm. It's good car, but you have to slow down to about 5 kmph if you want to go across a speed bump without hearing "crunch, crunch" :-)


myLot reputation of 99/100. fjaril (6097)   ranked 15 out of 26,919 in people  3 years ago

I have one too, and I like the fact it is stingy on fuel,, both besin or etanol,, just fine and rides fine and is,as you mentioned. HAHAHAHA,,pedestrian friendly!w00t


myLot reputation of 98/100. Torunn (1536)   ranked 4,851 out of 26,919 in people  3 years ago

I think all young boys that drive too fast should be given a SAAB 900. Possible one without servo. Not many chances of driving too fast then.

But SAAB has to continue making cars because sometime when I get rich and famous I want one of their 4 wheel drive cars. They're a bit over my budget at the moment though, they cost 700 000 NOK here.


myLot reputation of 99/100. fjaril (6097)   ranked 15 out of 26,919 in people  3 years ago

whistle!! wheuw!! That is a couple of SEK more than I can muster.. well., no,, I lie, I could sell my home!!
Good luck with THAT idea, Torunn.. it will be a wee while, won't it( ooo what an alliteration I just made!! Must be my bed time!!w00t


myLot reputation of 98/100. Torunn (1536)   ranked 4,851 out of 26,919 in people  3 years ago

I think that would be what I'd have to do too! And although I like SAABs, I don't really want to live in it :-)


myLot reputation of 99/100. fjaril (6097)   ranked 15 out of 26,919 in people  3 years ago

HAHA.. Very witty you are! I like that!

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6. myLot reputation of 93/100. MsTickle (12894)   ranked 642 out of 26,919 in people   3 years ago

Congratulations to SAAB!

I often wonder how much of the promised amounts of money actually make it to the people it was intended for in the first place as a result of these disasters. We never hear exactly how the money is collected, how much is actually collected and how it is dispersed. I'm not very trusting in these matters.


myLot reputation of 99/100. fjaril (6097)   ranked 15 out of 26,919 in people  3 years ago

Thankyou dear friend! I am much with you on this one.. Money is most often , in my thoughts, not used as originaly intended. The little guy suffers and thr rich are but richer.. THAT is my thought and until it can be proven otherwise .. well that is my thought,w00t
Hope you are okej these days, are you? You sure look great,, as beautiful as ever, in fact, with that gorgeous smile!!wink

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