Could all these great men have been wrong?  

YEP! I agree...not just about the whole just as many great men (and women for htat matter) who do NOT believe in the bible etc but also about there not really being a point to topic...I mean other than the OP stating their opinion of course..but its not a 'discussion' as far as I'm concerned

My point is that: these well known individuals believed the Bible to be the word of God. The question for discussion is: Could they have all been wrong?

You are free to list the quotations of great men that believed that the Bible is not the word of God.

Thank you for responding.

His point is:

Though greatly maligned in this day and age, many respected personages throughout history thought it had great value, even those who did not profess to be "Christian"

You borrow a bit from scripture, I noticed, Lamb, so you are also a respected man who views it as having, at least, some literary value, if not moral ascendancy.

As a great reader, you cannot fail to notice that, without at least a modicum of background in Scriptural knowledge, much literature would be a puzzle. Take Shakespeare for one small example.

At minimum, one could acknowledge the effect of the Bible on our Western culture.

And please, don't equate the hypocrisy of some of those who claim to represent it with to its value to the human family.

I think the Bible has many good points vis a vis how to treat others and does contain some pearls of great wisdom, but I do not believe it to be the undying everlasting Word of God...

Why do you not believe the Bible is the word of God?

to me it shows me how much the world has changed.. and how we disrespect our own history.. the history has been changed.. and we've been taught to disrespect our own history.. (I may be morphing into a conspiracy nut)

Thank you for your kind words!

Jesus said...

John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

I'm afraid You may have missed my point. God is the source of Truth that established the validity of the scriptures. Not ALL of the truth of who god is can be contained within the covers of a physical book, the prophet, Isaiah I believe it was, tells us that "In him we live and move and have our being," The Bible does not even contain enough information to explain every human fiber in one body, let alone the totality of who God is.
Perhaps I should start here: I believe what Jesus said about himself that he is the Son of God, Died for my sin, was buried and resurrected and is the only way to establish a saving relationship with the creator. I also believe that every word in scripture was inspired by God and is, in fact, Truth.

My point was this, not everyone that comes to scripture takes away the same thing. Some, by virtue of their particular character, choose to manipulate others using the power and authority of scripture.
I wonder if I might ask, with all due respect, why do you find it necessary to use "Pastor" as a part of your screen name?

Hi Markrmorris2! Thanks for responding. I agree with you in that God is the source of truth. The Bible was inspired by God and it reveals some of the things he wants us to know. Reading and applying what it says in our lives is definitely a right step, especially its directives on love. I like your motto!

Let's hope they also apply it!

I pray the do!

I'm with you. Both must be done. Reading and applying.

yup

That is so true. I've read it many times and recently I have decided to read it through each year.

Beautiful way of looking at Bible reading as "daily bread." Way to go!

If I may ask, what do you mean by Asians? Are the Ghandis mentioned Asians? I will see if I can find any quotes.

Sorry, asians, as in chinese.. hehe

The problem is that in some Asian countries freedom of being able to read the Bible openly has not existed. Also freedom to be able to choose a religion has not existed either. So that may be a reason. Or I just need to search a bit more.

I will continue to read it myself and make my own decisions when it comes to the Bible. I would encourage everyone else to do the same. The truth is the truth even if no one else believes it. But when it comes to the Bible it's encouraging to see so many others reach the same conclusion, that it is the word of God.

Hi Chiang_Mai_boy! Thank you for bringing this matter to my attention. There does seem to be some controversy as to if, when, or where George Washington made that statement. If I could I would remove it until I knew better.

However, for whatever it's worth, I did find this on wikipedia:

"His adopted daughter, Nelly Custis-Lewis, in response to a request from Jared Sparks in 1833 for information on Washington's religions views, wrote, "He attended the church at Alexandria when the weather and roads permitted a ride of ten miles (a one-way journey of 2-3 hours by horse or carriage). In New York and Philadelphia he never omitted attendance at church in the morning, unless detained by indisposition [sickness]." She continues by saying "No one in church attended to the services with more reverential respect." She adds: "I should have thought it the greatest heresy to doubt his firm belief in Christianity. His life, his writings, prove that he was a Christian. He was not one of those who act or pray, that they may be seen of men."[9]"

The point of my post was that some great man were believers in God and in the Bible. And even if the quote cannot be found in writing, it doesn't mean that George Washington did not believe in God. If he attended a Christian church where the Bible was often read, he probably had some respect for it.

Also, just because there be some controversy concerning the statement by Washington, I found no controversy about all the others. This is a discussion board so further discussion is welcomed. Thank you!

Nice!! Another one would be Napoleons quote of

"As for myself, I do not believe that such a person as Jesus Christ ever existed"

Could you please give me the sources of such statements. Thank you!

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"Abraham Lincoln's religious beliefs are a matter of controversy. Lincoln frequently referenced God and quoted the Bible, yet never formally joined any church. He was private about his beliefs and respected the beliefs of others."