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I used to like John McCain but now I'm not so sure....here's why....  email this discussion to a friend?

myLot reputation of 83/100. hornswaggled (2074) 2 years ago

As most that know me here; I'm a Master Herbalist. I use herbs in my practice of helping people to get healthier with supplements that support the body's systems.
I do not use any traditional over the counter or Rx drugs at all....not even aspirin.
If I was really sick with something like cancer; I'd treat it like everything else...with herbs.
The success that I have had with supplements are simply put...amazing.
I never thought that I'd do this but as I've gotten older I realized that the medical community and the political community as a whole do not really care about me or my health. The bottom line is money. The money it takes to keep this country going with people being sick is astounding.

Having said that I was absolutely appalled to find out that John McCain...a political figure that I thought was a pretty good guy is actually just another politician. An idiot with an agenda.
I found out that he has sponsored a bill that would regulate supplements of all kinds...even herbs.
Now for those of you that find this might be a good idea let me set you straight.
The FDA or Federal Drug Administration would be the regulators....and I find this is a lot like the fox guarding the hen house.
This organization is as crooked as they come. They do not care about yours or my health. They let the pharmaceutical companies do the testing on the very drugs that they are trying to hawk. That means that all the side effects are not being checked on.
Have you ever wondered why there are so many side effects with the new drugs out there? It isn't because they are suddenly getting better at catching these side effects...it's because the FDA does not actually regulate anything.
The purpose of the FDA is supposed to be to regulate drugs. It isn't supposed to be in the money making business but they get kick backs from these very drug companies that are supposed to be regulated by the FDA....so who's looking out for you? No one.
And where does that leave me.... a person who takes supplements?
It means that as an herbalist I will have to track all my clients with their side effects...even if they do not pertain to the herbs I suggest. It means that I will have to have all that I take for my health regulated as well....this is absolutely none of their business.
My health is just that. My business. But not to this government. It wants to regulate it because it is becoming big business in this country. And the drug companies are thrilled because we are a competition to them...we might actually do some good...then what would happen? People would actually get better; the whole money making scheme would fall down around their ears and then what? A financial meltdown? Not if they get their dirty hands in the herb world.
So what do you think? Do you think I might be an alarmist or do you think that I may be on to something? Is John McCain a good guy or another political puppet for pharmaceutical companies and the Republican party?

 

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1. myLot reputation of 96/100. dawnald (24262)   ranked 16 out of 3,984 in politics   2 years ago

Another political puppet for the pharmaceutical companies! Or possibly just deluded...


myLot reputation of 83/100. hornswaggled (2074)  2 years ago

That may be so but to be uninformed is not an excuse. I find that this kind of behavior is just one of many that are unacceptable. Take the health care thing the democrats are trying to push through. How am I supposed to feel about a plan to make me pay for care I don't even use myself??


myLot reputation of 96/100. dawnald (24262)   ranked 16 out of 3,984 in politics  2 years ago

I hate the whole thing about forcing people to pay. Surely they could have come up with something better than that!


myLot reputation of 73/100. AnnieOakley1 (2645)   ranked 933 out of 3,984 in politics  2 years ago

They should do it like we have it here in Canada, sort of socialist, but not expensive. Everybody pays a small part towards health care, yes, whether you use it or not, but it is still only a few hundred a year and geared to income, so if you earn less, your contribution is less. In Ontario it used to be called OHIP - Ontario Health Insurance Plan. I remember having a teeny bit deducted off my paycheques when I worked and they settled up the annual amount at income tax time. They have since abolished it from the paycheque, but it is still embedded in our taxes, so we do not have to pay if we are sick. We just show our Health Card, that proves we are a citizen and it costs nothing.


myLot reputation of 83/100. hornswaggled (2074)  2 years ago

I'm not for it because I would never use it. As an herbalist I find this galling to have to pay for something I don't even believe in.


myLot reputation of 96/100. dawnald (24262)   ranked 16 out of 3,984 in politics  2 years ago

and it would take a miracle for the program to cover alternate health care...


myLot reputation of 83/100. hornswaggled (2074)  2 years ago

Id be happy if they'd just leave us alone. Any time you get the government to make decisions about a system they f*ck it up...I'd rather they just pat us on the head and smile and leave us alone like they have in the past.

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2. myLot reputation of 98/100. 4pawsx4 (774)   2 years ago

i personally do NOT like john mccain. he is nothing more than a blithering idiot who has to have his face in the spotlight every chance he gets plus, he has a temper out of this world. i think that if they regulate herbs and supplements, they will 'shoot down' everything good that they do. if it was a war, the pharmaceutical companies would win as every doctor in the country has to be getting some kind of kick back (mega bucks) for prescribing the stupid drugs. also too, if they were to find that herbs, vitamins, etc. helped cure cancer, the american lung association, the american cancer society, etc. would be out of business, putting them all out of work. the 'big dogs' at those places are not willing to give up their mega-bucks salary, so there ya go. its all about greed and the pharmaceutical companies are there with their hands out making millions on meds that have such horrendous side effects. i think they should leave well enough alone. not everyone takes herbs but those who do are perfectly happy with doing so. john mccain needs to retire so he can shut the hell up. he is a devious,evil person.

i have a great aunt who is 83 years old and had been in the vitamin/herb business for 45 years. early last year she was diagnosed with cervical cancer. she declined all traditional treatments and has been treating herself with herbs, vitamins and healthy eating. she is doing great. she told the doctors that she would not let them poison her with chemo or radiation, that she would beat this herself and she is. at the rate she is going, she'll live to be 150! i'm sure that she has not heard about mccains b.s. but when she does, she will throw a fit!

to regulate herbs is going to be as bad as obamacare. they will say what treatments you can and cannot have. is it their way of 'population control'? looks like it to me.

i wonder how much of a kick-back mccain will get for pushing that regulation crap through????


myLot reputation of 83/100. hornswaggled (2074)  2 years ago

Population control seems to be a popular idea with us "liberal thinkers" and I have to say I believe it more and more each day....so very sad how the country is going to hell in a handbasket....like my grandpa used to say.


myLot reputation of 99/100. RawBill1 (3395)   ranked 243 out of 3,984 in politics  2 years ago

I am glad to hear about your Great Aunt having success with natural remedies. That is the best way. thumbup

I hate seeing all of these cancer charities fighting to raise money to find a 'cure' for cancer. A cure is already out there and Dr. Otto Warburg won a Nobel Prize for it in 1931! shocked

Why they keep radiating people makes no sense whatsoever except that they are after the patients money! angry


myLot reputation of 83/100. hornswaggled (2074)  2 years ago

It sounds like ritualized torture to me...and for what? So they can get it again somewhere else in their body later?? Sounds like they are drumming up more business to me.

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3. myLot reputation of 95/100. Hatley (48702)   ranked 586 out of 3,984 in politics   2 years ago

hi hornswaggled I would think getting the herbs regulated so that we know we are getting the correct amount and not being charged for something that is about as effective as water. I was told StJOhns wort would help me sleep but come to find out in the pills I got there was not enough of the herb to help a flea sleep. no I am all for the food and drug administration taking over the herbs, we have heard how people get filthy rich selling herbs and theres only a teensy bit of active herb in the tablets and they do zilch for all the hooey they claim they will do.
I worked in the medical field for years and I have no bone to pick as I have an excellent doctor and the medications he has me on all work as they are supposed to. its easy to tear down all the medical people because a few might have been crooked. I have never liked John McCain he is a bush clone, nor the codes of the Republican party, but also I am not too much into herbs either, haveing been sold stuff that did not help me in any way.dunce capdunce capdunce cap


myLot reputation of 83/100. hornswaggled (2074)  2 years ago

I do. They are crooks.....take a look at this info on the FDA..and tell me what you think...
www.iom.edu/CMS/3793/26341/37329.aspx


myLot reputation of 60/100. Taskr36 (6778)   ranked 284 out of 3,984 in politics  2 years ago

Well the FDA approves plenty of crap that doesn't help people either. They're also more than happy to approve medicine that kills people. I mean, what kind of organization allows a drug like Accutane? It's a freaking acne medication that causes people to commit SUICIDE.

I agree that many herbs are little more than a placebo, but at least they won't make you just hang yourself for no apparent reason, nor will they force someone to rush you to the hospital because an acne medication made you break out in hives and swell up like a balloon. And yes, I've seen Accutane cause both of these to happen.


myLot reputation of 73/100. AnnieOakley1 (2645)   ranked 933 out of 3,984 in politics  2 years ago

From your link posted:

"During its research, the committee found that

There is a perception of crisis that has compromised the credibility of FDA and of the pharmaceutical industry.
Most stakeholders--the agency, the industry, consumer organizations, Congress, professional societies, health care entities--appear to agree on the need for certain improvements in the system.
The drug safety system is impaired by the following factors: serious resource constraints that weaken the quality and quantity of the science that is brought to bear on drug safety; an organizational culture in CDER that is not optimally functional; and unclear and insufficient regulatory authorities particularly with respect to enforcement.
FDA and the pharmaceutical industry do not consistently demonstrate accountability and transparency to the public by communicating safety concerns in a timely and effective fashion."

Very disconcerting, isn't it? thumbdown


myLot reputation of 83/100. hornswaggled (2074)  2 years ago

Taskr,
You think many herbs are no better than a placebo??
I can see that we do not agree with the role of herbs. They are NOT placebo's...they are real help for people...all people to take.
They are basically food. And as a food source should not be regulated by the government as a drug.
I do agree with you that the drugs being let loose on unsuspecting patients by the FDA is appalling. And criminal in my mind. What kind of a conscience sends this kind of poison to the people of our nation?

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4. myLot reputation of 99/100. RawBill1 (3395)   ranked 243 out of 3,984 in politics   2 years ago

I am with you on this 100%! thumbup

I am in Australia so I am not familiar with particular politicians, but I am familiar with the USA Government in general and their relationship with the FDA and how they are trying to kill the natural health industries around the world. sad

As an owner of a Raw Food business, I am very interested in Natural Health, Permaculture and Organic Gardening. These areas along with herbs will save the world. The governments will catch on eventually, but I just hope they do so before the world gets too sick!

There is not much more that I can say about it as you have covered it pretty well here, but I am pretty disgusted with the direction in which they and Monsanto are pushing the world.thumbdown


myLot reputation of 83/100. hornswaggled (2074)  2 years ago

Well said Bill....and I must say I'm impressed with your line of work!! Good for you buddy...and keep up the great work. You may be fighting this in your neck of the woods soon.....The Australian government things ours is tops.rolleyes


myLot reputation of 99/100. RawBill1 (3395)   ranked 243 out of 3,984 in politics  2 years ago

I too am impressed with your line of work in the area of herbs. I have just been watching a DVD by Isabell Shipard. She is probably the leading expert on herbs over here. thumbup

We are already feeling some of those effects over here. There are certain health foods that we are not allowed to import and certain foods that although beneficial to health, that we humans are legally not allowed to eat! confused

We have the TGA over here that are our version of the FDA and everything that happens in the USA eventually happens here too. Unfortunately most of this is bad! sad


myLot reputation of 83/100. hornswaggled (2074)  2 years ago

Isn't that awful...I don't know why others are emulating us...we can't even get ourselves straightened out!


myLot reputation of 99/100. RawBill1 (3395)   ranked 243 out of 3,984 in politics  2 years ago

lol

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5. myLot reputation of 82/100. spalladino (11857)   ranked 127 out of 3,984 in politics   2 years ago

I agree with you, hornswaggled, but I can't say that I'm surprised by McCain's support of this. He's bought and paid for and, unfortunately, too many of our elected representatives are nothing more than political puppets for various special interest groups.


myLot reputation of 83/100. hornswaggled (2074)  2 years ago

Apparently I wasn't in class when everyone else found out about him....I'll just say that I'm very unhappy right now....

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6. myLot reputation of 78/100. debrakcarey (2673)   ranked 138 out of 3,984 in politics   2 years ago

Hello, you know how I feel. happy

I have read two articles by former sales reps for the pharmacuetical companies. They verified what I already knew and what you've said here. Big Pharma does not care. I also read awhile back that a CEO of one of the big drug companies took a position in the FDA, and was trying to lobby for Congress to regulate the supplement industry among other things. As you so aptly put it, the fox guarding the hen house. I suggest you all google Kathleen Slattery, she is one of the sales reps who got sick of what she was seeing and has made two films, one of which is titled "Side Effects". I forgot the name of the other, but if you look her up I'm sure you can find it. I also suggest to the readers here to google Dr. Weil. He and Dr. Mercola are two of the best medical doctors who advocate preventative medicine using supplements on the web and in book stores. They are both knowledgable and balanced in their views, both will tell you just what my friend Hornswaggled has said.

Our president wants to tell us how we can save money and make the medical community better for all. Yet he has not a clue about just what is wrong with the medical profession as it is practiced here in America. The first thing that needs to be done is teach Americans how to stay healthy. And quit subsidising corn growers and allowing hormones and antibiotics in our meat. Two food additives that are causing horrible deaths are high fructose corn syrup which has brought adult onset diabetes to grade schools everywhere and the other is trans fats, the REAL cause of heart attacks. Yet the FDA allows both in our diets cause the food producers demand it. Diet is the NUMBER ONE cause of heart disease and diabetes in America! And the American diet is horrendous, just ask the Japanese and the other non Americans who have seen a rise in both degenerative diseases when they began eating the way Americans do! The two doctors that I mentioned above have many books and articles on how to keep your cholesterol down, how to prevent heart disease and diabetes and other degenerative diseases from shortening your life and costing you money. Dr. Weil especially warns that if you break a bone, go to the ER, if you want to avoid a heart attack...eat your fruits and vegatables and take your vitamins and herbs!

You are so correct when you say it is all about money. There are reputable doctors who will tell you it is good to take supplements, and there are reputable supplement companies that produce worthwhile supplements. Heck, even Dr. Oz recommends them! lol

How ya been Hornswaggled?


myLot reputation of 83/100. hornswaggled (2074)  2 years ago

Hey Debbers how ya been?!
I've been over at facebook mostly.
I think your advice is tops. The docs you talk about are really wonderful and I read Mercolas work all the time. I have him as a favorite on Facebook.
I would also recommend everyone here to look for themselves about the changes that have been made in the last decade to the FDA and the other governmental agencies that are supposedly for our "best interest"...Pah....what a crock.


myLot reputation of 78/100. debrakcarey (2673)   ranked 138 out of 3,984 in politics  2 years ago

I've been unemployed but now am back to work. No internet at home yet. Computer got hit by lightening. I am at work now using the computer.

I've missed ya! Haven't forgot about the CD's...if your still game?

Thanks for the encouraging words! happy I've been reading Dr. Weil's stuff and really think he's great. His book on aging gracefully has so much to offer spiritually and practically.


myLot reputation of 83/100. hornswaggled (2074)  2 years ago

I would!! I wondered what happened to you and have not visited anyone's sites lately....not even my own! I took on a part time job and it's killing me....standing on my feet 10 hours a day but have a prospective job offer of working my herb business in a chiropractors office in a neighboring town. I would only have to pay $5 off the top of each client I get and it's a hugely popular place...so I am waiting for the owner to catch up on her horse show stuff (she's big into that) before I can make arrangements.
I would love to still teach you if you want....just let me know....you can pm me here or at the other place....


myLot reputation of 78/100. debrakcarey (2673)   ranked 138 out of 3,984 in politics  2 years ago

I am still getting caught up with bills from being unemployed. I will let you know as soon as possible, ok? I have to buy a new computer, got hit by lightening! Kids said...God's trying to tell me to not spend so much time online! lol

I am at work now so I have to keep things short. You can rest assured, I am not going to leave the LOT!


myLot reputation of 83/100. hornswaggled (2074)  2 years ago

Sure...no problem. I'm not going anywhere...you do what you have to girly.
I am also working part time and am not too thrilled about this job. I hope to have my herb thing going well soon so I can quit this job....have a great one!

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7. myLot reputation of 60/100. Taskr36 (6778)   ranked 284 out of 3,984 in politics   2 years ago

The FDA's a freaking joke. McCain should know better, but then he's part of the system. They'll let the worst crap go through if they get a good enough bribe. I'm not sold on herbal cures an all that myself, but I don't want the FDA getting their hands on it.


myLot reputation of 78/100. debrakcarey (2673)   ranked 138 out of 3,984 in politics  2 years ago

Saw him speak up at the summit....I think he's onto big Pharma, don't you?


myLot reputation of 83/100. hornswaggled (2074)  2 years ago

Well he must be...this bill will be the death of herbal supplements as we know it if it goes through.


myLot reputation of 78/100. debrakcarey (2673)   ranked 138 out of 3,984 in politics  2 years ago

We all need to learn how to wildcraft! I have looked for a book on plants in my area that will tell medicinal uses, can't find one. Those who want to will find a way. Trouble is, like with prohibition, it will create some serious problems as people turn to disreputible blackmarketers. Funny thing, we don't see cigaretts or booze being prohibited (again). It's a sad commentary on what our leaders think is important.


myLot reputation of 83/100. hornswaggled (2074)  2 years ago

You are so right. We ALL need to learn where our herbs are and how to look for them...better yet. Grow your own. That way we know what has or has not been already sprayed. I am growing a huge garden this year and I am getting into making my own concoctions this year. It will prove to be very interesting I think....

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8. myLot reputation of 99/100. hvedra (1203)   2 years ago

I think most politicians are puppets. You can spot the ones that aren't - they either get no financial backing or they die pretty quick!

Pharmaceuticals HATE plant remedies because they can't patent them and own all the rights. They are trying with all this genetic modification they are pushing to own DNA of modified plants, etc.

If you found the cure for cancer in a common weed could you imagine what they would do? You'd be dead in days and everything covered up. They trade in long-term treatments not cures. They are no better than the drug pushers on the street corners - worse at least the pushers don't lie to you!

I don't know enough about McCain to comment but any politician can be bought or pressurised or hoodwinked as they are only human.




myLot reputation of 83/100. hornswaggled (2074)  2 years ago

We HAVE had really great results with herbs and supplements in cancer and a lot of other really dangerous conditions.
I think that is what they are scared of....that we will be able to cure these people and then where will the medical community be?

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9. myLot reputation of 73/100. AnnieOakley1 (2645)   ranked 933 out of 3,984 in politics   2 years ago

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myLot reputation of 73/100. AnnieOakley1 (2645)   ranked 933 out of 3,984 in politics  2 years ago

Actually, if you really think about it, there is no such thing as a 'gateway drug', since people will use whatever drugs they want whether they are legal or not, so they may as well leglalize, regulate, tax and reap the financial benefits. Our failing economies would benefit LARGE! Even if some things are still sold on the black market, removing Organized Crime from the major power scheme would definitely benefit both the US and Canada. It is the US influence that is stopping Canada from legalizing it, when several years ago we were on the verge of it. Our Prime Minister has been threatened with trade embargos and renegotiations on the trade agreements if we legalize it, I just know it. These bloody backroom deals are what is killing us. We need "Fresh" untainted faces in our political scheme. People that are not yet corrupted nor bow to threats by Organized Crime.

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10. myLot reputation of 99/100. scarlet_woman (11395)   2 years ago

everything in this country anymore is about money and who stands to profit.
i don't think it really matters who or what the subject is.

i don't like the idea of "pay for insurance or else" healthcare.
i find it interesting that some insurance companies are raising their rates now,almost as if in anticipation(although they will say it's overhead).if i could afford it,i'd have it already.

you already know my herbal standpoint.
if they don't get a cut,they don't want you doing it either.
there's one or two untrained herbalists that give them an excuse to regulate-
but the key word there is untrained.

but to give you an example of cost-i looked over my dad's sum total of cancer treatments-$1 million dollars.i kid you not.$100,000 for surgery alone.if he wasn't military,that would have sunk the family.


myLot reputation of 83/100. hornswaggled (2074)  2 years ago

Good lord....I don't know who is coming up with those figures but no wonder the country is going to hell in a handbasket! This kind of crap is gonna put us under.


myLot reputation of 73/100. AnnieOakley1 (2645)   ranked 933 out of 3,984 in politics  2 years ago

Just think if drugs were legalized like cigs and alcohol, the revenues could fund the health care system, and all treatments would be free, no matter what your income.

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