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myLot reputation of 22/100. kennyrose (5047) 2 years ago

After the passing of the health care bill last evening bricks was throw in to windows at two democrat offices in New York and assassination tweets was reported.
I think our good day's are behind us the currant leadership in my opinion has greatly split our country.
I said day's ago I think we are going to see blood shed in our country and possibly in our streets due to the dissatisfaction of the American people.
I nor most decent people in our country want to see this happen, many of us was alive when John F. Kennedy was assassinated as well as when Ronald Reagan and Brady was shot going in to a building,we know the tears and the sorrow of this nightmare.
In deed these are very dark day's for our country we have two groups of people,The ones that set on the side of the trial waiting for food,shelter and needed supplies to be brought to them,the others are the work bees who pays for all them peoples on the trail food,shelter and supplies,what group best describes you?





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"ASSASSINATION! America, we survived the Assassinations and Lincoln & Kennedy. We'll surely get over a bullet to Barrack Obama's head," wrote one Twitter user, who goes by the handle Solly Forell, and identifies himself as a conservative blogger and "'authentic' African American."

Soon after the first post, Forell tweeted another message actively encouraging someone with a "clear shot" to kill the president.
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"The next American with a Clear Shot should drop Obama like a bad habit. 4get Blacks or his claims to b[e] Black. Turn on Barack Obama," he wrote on the messaging Web site.

The Secret Service investigates any perceived threats to the president or calls for his assassination.


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1. myLot reputation of 82/100. spalladino (11857)   ranked 127 out of 3,985 in politics   2 years ago

And which group would the hateful people who would call for and encourage the death of anyone, much less the President of the United States, fall into? I do agree, this country is split. It's been split since John McCain's campaign decided that encouraging people to hate and fear Obama was the way to win an election...and then lost the election. It's been split since the hate and fear that was nurtured for months during the campaign was continued to be fed following it. Haven't you noticed, Rose...all along the people who were against this bill were the most vocal, the most enraged, and spread the most fear enducing lies? Even now, when the bill is there for all to see, the lies continue. So, now they're the most violent among us. Yeah, I'm real proud of Americans right now...not.


myLot reputation of 82/100. RobtheRock (1837)   ranked 196 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

I agree with you spalladino. When we see that things will not be as bad as many people thought it would concerning the health care bill, there will still be the 20% who will spread false rumors and lies. I'm willing to bet that many of these hate mongers and "law abiding" ones threatening assassination are so called Christians who thought Obama was the AntiChrist. I've always thought that if an AntiChrist were to come, it would be because of their actions.


myLot reputation of 82/100. spalladino (11857)   ranked 127 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

I don't think this bill is perfect...and I'm against the mandate that requires folks to purchase insurance for constitutional reasons...but the lies that keep being stated as hard facts are getting old fast. Believe me Rob, some folks would rather have their foot blown off than admit that anything the current administration does is good or right.


myLot reputation of 22/100. kennyrose (5047)  2 years ago

spalladino,
In my opinion during the 2008 presidential campaign the hate factor was against Sarah Palin and her children.
The left smeared her and her family with every lie thinkable and made up outrageous lies about her and her family.
Democrats filed 18 bogus law suit against her in just a little over one year after she run for vice president.
Sarah Palin's private email was hacked by a democrat in office son,her church was set fire causing one million dollar is damage.
Police and fire said the fire was intentionally set by professions who disarmwed the fire alarm system before setting the fire,there was left behind no other leads.
There was no hate against Obama during the campaign,far as Sarah Palin pointing out clearly Obama's extensive back ground of socialism and anti-American pal's like Tony Rezko,Louise Farrakhan,Jeremiah Wright,Bill Ayers for the very short list,Sarah Palin was most correct.
My posting today had nothing what so ever with the 2008 campaign these widow being shattered at two New York democrat offices and threats on Obama's life came directly from the health care bill being rammed down the American people's throats that has rejects the bill and it being past unconstitutional.


myLot reputation of 22/100. kennyrose (5047)  2 years ago

RobtheRock,
Your post makes you no better then the people that tweeted about killing Obama or who ever broke windows out at them two democrat office in New York.
You need to understand the definition of the word Anti-Christ it means any one that preaches or teaches aganist what Jesus Christ preached and taught.
For example Jesus taught when a person dies they go to their grave,man teaches when a person dies they go to either heaven or hell,that preacher or teacher according to holy scripture of God the creator is Anti-Christ.
Jesus said while here on earth Anti-Christ is with us today that was some 2,000 year's ago,back to the example that I just gave you men was teaching the opposite of Jesus Chris in his day's on this earth,Jesus clearly say's they are the Anti-Christ.


myLot reputation of 71/100. opalina143 (911)   ranked 477 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

Kennyrose, you have stooped to a new low, one even I did not expect from you.

You just equated a person mentioning that some Christians are hypocritcal (a true statement) and some of them might be violent, (like those who blow up abortion clinics and call themselves "christian" to calling for a presidential assasination.

Basically you are saying that criticizing Christians is equal to inciting murder. How did you get so thoroughly twisted and sick?

My true Christian friends would be ashamed.


myLot reputation of 67/100. anniepa (11663)   ranked 329 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

My true Christian friends would be ashamed as well, opalina! There was nothing whatsoever wrong with what Rob posted, in fact he's absolutely correct!

Annie


myLot reputation of 22/100. kennyrose (5047)  2 years ago

opalina143,
I really don't understand the problem here I did not attack Christians and for that matter my post did not attack anyone.
In my post to Rob I simply said it makes him no better then who ever broke out them windows at the democrat offices in New York or the two guy's who tweety that carp last night.
Pasted below is Rob's post why he has a need to attack Christians I do not know but he did.
Personal attacks on people just was not called for we none know who these people are who did any of these things.
Rob it appears to me dose not understand the meaning of Anti-Christ and I explained it to him.
I really do not understand why your attacking me in the first place.
My post had nothing what so ever to do with race,but beings you have brought it up Barack Obama is not a black person his mother was a white women.
So far in the United States the people has not elected a black person for the office of the president of the United States if I know our history.
it has been reported may tines 85% of the American people have insurance they pay for and they want to keep forever,so in a nut shell a hell of a lot of American are not in agreement of this unconstitutional health care bill coming with man dated on the people,don't we have the right to protest as American citizens?





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I agree with you spalladino. When we see that things will not be as bad as many people thought it would concerning the health care bill, there will still be the 20% who will spread false rumors and lies. I'm willing to bet that many of these hate mongers and "law abiding" ones threatening assassination are so called Christians who thought Obama was the AntiChrist. I've always thought that if an AntiChrist were to come, it would be because of their actions.




myLot reputation of 22/100. kennyrose (5047)  2 years ago

Annie,
There was nothing wrong in what I said to Rob,he is clueless as to even who these people are let alone if they are Christians.
He had no valid reason in my opinion to attack Christians in the first place.
I take it you and your true Christian friends as you call them think it is right to degrade and even spread rumors and lies about George W. Bush,John McCain,Sarah Palin,Richard Cheney and numbers of other republicans you have posted on?
Was you righteous the 8 year's George W.Bush was called every stinking name under the sun by liberals?
Well maybe a lot of people will see it as the shoes in now on the other foot,I'm sure most Americans did not like the hate mongers in regard to the George W. Bush years.




myLot reputation of 65/100. anniepa (9878) ranked 306 out of 3,568 in politics 2 hours ago

My true Christian friends would be ashamed as well, opalina! There was nothing whatsoever wrong with what Rob posted, in fact he's absolutely correct!


myLot reputation of 82/100. spalladino (11857)   ranked 127 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

No, Rose, there was no hate and fear rehtoric directed at McCain or Palin during the campaign. Smear campaigns, lawsuits, computer hacking and even the fire did not publicly encourage people to be afraid of Palin...and you cite not one statement or event regarding McCain because there were none.

But, thank you for helping me to prove my point by bringing up specifics of the things you readily admit that Palin said to crowds of Americans at every opportunity. You are correct, she did focus a lot of her remarks on Obama's background of so called socialism as well as make claims that he was Muslim. She did comment a lot about his alleged associations with people she described as anti-American and who should be feared, such as Bill Ayers, Jeremiah Wright and Louis Farrakhan. She intentionally stirred up hatred and fear to the point that John McCain was forced to say nice things about Obama at one of his rallies. Do you remember that sweet old lady who stood up and told McCain that she was AFRAID of Obama because he was a Muslim? If this kind of fear mongering is acceptable why didn't McCain run with that it? I'll tell you why, because it wasn't acceptable and at least he had enough common sense to know that. It was ugly and uncalled for which is why McCain had to stand there and reassure that nice lady that Obama was a decent man and not someone she should be afraid of.

Let me make this real simple for your little brain to absorb. Palin went out of her way to incite hatred and fear among many of the American people. This was wrong, this was low class, this was uncalled for...and the damage she did, and that John McCain allowed her to do, continues to effect this country today.

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2. myLot reputation of 75/100. dark_joev (1647)   ranked 49 out of 3,985 in politics   2 years ago

Anyone who is willing to kill someone is not deservent of calling themselves American or a Patriot I may not like all of Obama's beliefs but guess what He is for better or for worse the President and me being a Patriot and a Believer in the United States Constitution will stand up and take a bullet for the President. I didn't like Bush but would of been willing to jump in front of a bullet for him because he is the leader of the country chosen by the people. I think maybe the people should think what that would do to the country killing the president would mean that vice president would take over. Also Lincoln was killed due to his side "winning a the war" oh which destroyed the country brother killing brother. Over states rights, slavery and the number of other reasons for the most bloodiest war in US history. Anyone who is willing to push violence like that on the people of this country need to get looked at. I would fight to maintain the order that needs to be sustained in this country. I do think that the Federal Government needs to be watched and not trusted. I think that we need to look at the US Constitution to see how to trim the over size federal government but I am not going to go to the extent of killing the president because that will only cause the opposite to happen. The people of this country need to start to realize that the way to make the Federal Government smaller is by saying hey we want this right back right now and demanding one right at a time to come back to the states and the people. The Federal Government is in the place of power that it is in now because the people of this country are stupid and haven't ever learned for themselves. The News and media are a great way to control people look at what Hitler and the Nazi's did in Germany.

Any Call For The Assassination of the President of he United States is asinine at best. Read the US CONSTITUTION and The Bill Of Rights! Okay then you start to attack not with violence but with reason and truth and guess what thing change because enough people start to get behind a issue we get to control what happens you don't need violence.

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3. myLot reputation of 86/100. laglen (7665)   ranked 90 out of 3,985 in politics   2 years ago

I would never EVER condone assassination of our politicians. I may not agree with them, but human life is far too precious and we can just vote them out of office. There is always an alternative. I know tempers and passions have run high on this issue, but again, taking a life is not the answer.

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4. myLot reputation of 77/100. coolcoder (2038)   ranked 1,291 out of 3,985 in politics   2 years ago

I'm going to chime in with my two cents.

Let me be clear--I can't stand Obama. I can't look at him on TV without getting physically ill. However, and this is a big however, I do not condone violence against him or his family. That is no way to solve any problems this country has. As loathsome as I might personally find him, the fact of the matter is, he's still a husband and father, and he is loved by his family and his friends.

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5. myLot reputation of 97/100. dragon54u (15681)   ranked 28 out of 3,985 in politics   2 years ago

Although I don't like his policies, I pray every day for our president to stay safe and healthy. People who make such threats are mentally ill and need to be treated!

I'm like the ant--while the grasshopper plays and fools around, I prepare. I can now hole up in my house for a month without needing food, medical supplies or fresh water. I have enough saved in the bank for a financial emergency (and that wasn't easy!) and I have escape plans for various situations plus a room in my house where I would be able to stay safe in case of home invasion till the cops got there.

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6. myLot reputation of 97/100. hofferp (2894)   ranked 23 out of 3,985 in politics   2 years ago

I didn't vote for Obama and I was opposed to the bill that passed yesterday (as well as the stimulus bill and the cap and trade bill and...) (But I also didn't vote for Bush and I was opposed to several bills passed during his administration.) As much as I may dislike these Presidents and their priorities, policies and programs, I would never think of, speak of, assassinating them. It's insane. Unfortunately, there are some loons out there that do think of, speak of assassination. Let's just hope no one is insane enough to try it, let alone succeed. Our country is split and I'm not sure how we're going to mend it, if it can be mended at all. I find this situation extremely concerning/sad.


myLot reputation of 97/100. hofferp (2894)   ranked 23 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

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7. myLot reputation of 83/100. xfahctor (7620)   ranked 42 out of 3,985 in politics   2 years ago

angry
Idiots!
Imbecills!
Do people actually want martial law? In this climate of over zealous national security agencies? What the hell is wrong with people? I don't care if it's black on black, race doesn't even come in to play here......this is NOT the answer. This is asking for a major pack of trouble and would set back everything liberty movement has done so far and it would turn this country in to a frikkin coast to coast gulag.


myLot reputation of 82/100. spalladino (11857)   ranked 127 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

But, xfahctor, if these freaks create a situation that results in martial law then they can blame Obama! Isn't that the main objective? blink


myLot reputation of 83/100. xfahctor (7620)   ranked 42 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

Actually spalli, I have come to believe there are those in government who would be more than happy to push people over the edge, create the climate in which something like an assasination or civilian uprising would take place, so they would have reason to crack down. I have honestly come to believe this.


myLot reputation of 82/100. spalladino (11857)   ranked 127 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

Of course you have, xfahctor, because you listened to the fear rhetoric for months on end so I'm not surprised that even basically reasonable people who dearly love their country, such as yourself, have become concerned and skittish. I'm not as comfortable as I was before the campaign either. When I take the time to ask myself why...to look for real evidence of why...I can only find accusations and allegations.


myLot reputation of 83/100. xfahctor (7620)   ranked 42 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

spalli,...no...it's because I have followed trends for a while and studied the nature of government and those who seem to make their way in to it in recent history. I like to think I have been somewhat spot on in a number of predictions I have made based on the trends I watch, regulatory action and the mentality of people now running the country. am I always right? NO, but I am right more often than I am comfortable with. As horrific as some things may be to consider, we must never for one second lull ourselves in to believing they can't happen here. Many things we thought could never happen....have.

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8. myLot reputation of 83/100. lilwonders456 (3526)   ranked 34 out of 3,985 in politics   2 years ago

I hope those idiots get into all kinds of trouble for it. Just because you don't like a politican does NOT mean you have the right to threaten their lives.
It is stupid, immature and completely uncalled for.

I have threatened politicans before...threatened their jobs that is. Threatened to not only not vote for them in the next election....but to also actively work for whoever is running against them in the next election. But that is as far a I will go.

I do not endorse phyically threatening anyone...much less a politican.

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9. myLot reputation of 58/100. bestboy19 (2454)   ranked 634 out of 3,985 in politics   2 years ago

No matter how angry you are, assassination would be down right foolish. It would turn a mediocre politician into an icon, and turn people against your cause. It's better to vote them out of office and then kill their bill rather than them.

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10. myLot reputation of 71/100. opalina143 (911)   ranked 477 out of 3,985 in politics   2 years ago

IF you don't want to see bloodshed happen, maybe you should tone down your rhetoric. When you call Obama names, claim he is a socialist, and otherwise demonize him, you are adding fuel to the fire and encouraging the crazies who want him dead. You share some of the blame for these people by your rhetoric, I think.

Also, I hope that you do not degenerate into blaming Obama for the climate of the country, as you seem to imply. I don't think that his effort to extend health care o to the poor and needy, saving thousands of lives a year and easing the suffering of thousands of fellow human beings, makes him deserve the these threats. Whether you believe in the health bill or not, its is clear that Obama only wants to help the american people. I hope that you and other conservatives do not flip this around as a means of attacking Obama.

Just by the way, how much of the hate towards Obama do you think springs from racists who just hate the idea of a black man telling them what to do? Something to think about.


myLot reputation of 83/100. xfahctor (7620)   ranked 42 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

"how much of the hate towards Obama do you think springs from racists who just hate the idea of a black man telling them what to do?"
about 0.4%
and...you did manage to catch that both the people mentioned in the story WERE black didn't you?


myLot reputation of 22/100. kennyrose (5047)  2 years ago

xfahctor,
I guess maybe you was speaking to opalina,I personally did not intend this post to be turned in to something racial therefore I did not even bother to report the men that threaten Obama's life was black people.
Jessy Jackson Sr a black man has threaten to cut of Obama's testicles off, I guess because Jackson is a black person that is acceptable behavior at least to some people.
I have a problem with people that say Obama is a black man that is most untrue being his mother was a white women.
I in no way think American's are upset because Obama is part black, I believe the angry has every thing to do with the direct Obama and his left wing liberal party has take our country in a very short time.
It has been my understand with the passing of this health care bill people with health care insurance can expect to be paying 10-13% more in monthly payments right away.
Wager earners will be paying even more in pay roll tax very soon,increases like this in the time of American's are struggling to keep a roof over their heads and food on the table has very much outraged the American people that are expected to pay for this monster of a health care bill so others can have health care.
The American people for the most part wanted some change but they was not thinking about becoming like say Europe,this has caused the outrage in the American people and it has nothing what so ever to do with race.
Thanks for you responds to the discussion ~ ~ Rose




myLot reputation of 67/100. anniepa (11663)   ranked 329 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

Rose, please show me where you got the information that "people with health care insurance can expect to be paying 10-13% more in monthly payments right away" or that "Wage earners will be paying even more in pay roll tax very soon". Also, PLEASE tell me how we're becoming like Europe!

I "get" that you're happy with your health insurance so you don't care about the millions who have none and to justify that view you've convinced yourself that those who have no insurance are lazy and irresponsible. You hold the poor and the working people who are dying due to lack of care in total contempt. You obviously don't understand that you're already paying for the uninsured, we all are when they use the ER as their primary care doctors. Anyway, I know you're happy with your insurance but how would you feel if your premium went up by 39%? How about, what if you became seriously ill and your insurance company decided to drop you or if you reached the lifetime or annual limit? These are all problem that are being addressed in the health care bill.

Annie


myLot reputation of 22/100. kennyrose (5047)  2 years ago

Anniepa
You do not know my private business far as my health care insurer,I'm on medicare just like most seniors citizens.
I have paid in to medicare most all of my working life and so has my better half who is still employed and still paying medicare tax, we are not getting any thing FREE.
I have never said that I don't want the uninsured to not have health care insurance,what I have said is many of the uninsured are young and healthy and they choose to be uninsured so why should the wage earner in this country be force to pay for their health care insurance that they do not even want?
Why would the wage earners want to pay for 20 thousands illegals,this government needs to do the right thing kick their butts out along with Obama's welfare aunt illegally here from Kenya for the past six year's.
Hell who don't know about the free loaders,lazy and bums that we have all over the United States,I think that was why Bill Clinton or was it George W. Bush that tighten up welfare freebies making people work for what they got free off the sweat of the tax payers brow.
I have always agreed that we need "health care insurance reform",banned these outrageous law suits against doctor's, I don't think none of that came close to happening in this bill.
This health care bill has a few beanies right away but most will not kick in until 2014,they will collect tax's the first four year's to begin to pay for this health care bill,like that democrat Senator said on record the other day they have to tie our hands to keep us from stealing the money.
I'm one of the lucky ones my better half uncle is a doctor I wish everyone had a doctor in their family.
My better half has outstanding health care benefits he is a union member,hell with the union and the democrat administration he is on easy street far as his union benefit coverage.
Of course he has to pay union dues monthly to have health care coverage which includes dental and vision.
Yes, we are the lucky ones and in four year's the ones that don't suffer in agony and die waiting for health care to kick in will get maybe some medical help.
The problem that I see dumping tens of thousands now in to Medicaid which is a broken program,most people know doctor's do not take new Medicaid people.
So they will have Medicaid before long good luck finding a doctor who will take it because they are far and few in between.
This is where Medicare is soon to be heading so people going on Medicare will find the same problem much fewer in the medical field by 2014.
In my opinion by 2014 we will have much lesser doctors,nurses and medical professionals and out the gate find we are in a doctor,nurse shortage with 30 million more people enrolled in to this new health care system.
Just like what happen to Canada doctors,nurses shortage and so many people waiting in lines for medical help.
I think it would had worked just fine if the government covered these 30 million uninsured and collected one dollar a month from every tax payer hell they would maybe have money to actually burn up just for the fun of it.


myLot reputation of 67/100. anniepa (11663)   ranked 329 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

I certainly never said you're getting anything free! You're right, I don't know your private business but I honestly thought you'd posted not too long ago that you have Blue Cross and you love it. I must say it's interesting that a conservative, anti-government person like yourself would be happy with Medicare or that your better half would be a member of a dreaded union. Just sayin'... Anyway, you didn't really answer my questions about where you got your information, in fact you just added more. Illegal immigrants will NOT be covered by this bill. How we all wish your idea of everyone paying a dollar a month would cover the 30 million uninsured!

By the way, one idiot took credit for calling for people to break the windows of the offices of Members of Congress. He's a former member of a militia and is an anti-government conspiracy theorist. From the garbage he's posted on his blog he should be under suspicion of domestic terrorism.

Annie


myLot reputation of 22/100. kennyrose (5047)  2 years ago

anniepa,
My better half Kenny never has been interested in politics,far as being in the union he has learned only this year how dishonest the unions really are,he pay's his dues and goes to work he has never been involved with any union meetings.
Kenny is who is covered under blue cross,he was over night in the hospital a few months ago not even there 24 hour's his bill was a little over $7,000 his part was $1,009.he has gotten the doctors paid in full and has about $350.00 left to pay the hospital off.
Yes the cost was unbeliveable a few blood test and them tabs put on his chest to check his heart,the reason they did that was he was having chest pains which was over long before he was admitted in to the hospital,his brother at 37 year's old had a pace maker put in to keep his heart beat regulated so the doctor said with some one in his famiky haveing a heart issue they wanted to keep Kenny over night just for safety reasons just in case, you know,well it was a really very expensive over night stay for darn sure.
Far as the dreadful unions as you described them Kenny is against card check,he is more in favor of the secret ballet as it has been for a very long time, Obama want's to unionize the work place.
I understand the workers of course need decent wages and health care,but like say G.M. wages go out of sight and we see how that all ended up.
In my opinion it is another job killer and this is not want our country needs at this time with last I heard 15 million unemployed and of course it is higher then that.
Far as illegals gaining health care insurance through this health care bill I have read it is unlawful in our country that anyone be denied health care even if not here legally,it seems to me I did hear they to will be covered under this heath care bill,I maybe wrong.
Well any one breaking windows and all that stuff that is not good,of late we have had a universality teacher shot and killed three of her colleges during a meeting,they say she was a liberal obsessed with Barack Obama.
Then on it's hills the insane man that flew his plane in to a building upset over IRS matters and the direction are coutry has been taken in the past year's, some people try to pin him as a so called right winger but the guy was all over the map hated just about every thing so that label never stuck.
A few months or so before that the abortion doctor being murdered so it is all over the country and truly I think this is just the tip of the ice burg, hope I'm wrong, bottom line none of that behavior changes a dam thing.
We have had a number of domestic terrorist Bill Ayers and his wife and their under ground group they blow up a police station and a federal judge home and Timothy McVeigh who murder little children and innocent people in Oklahoman City.
Just seems unrest is mouthing,I read tonight in your state two people in a couple weeks of each other took their life's both just hours before the sheriff was coming to remove them from their homes which they had lost through these hard times and I take it far to proud to ask for a hand out or even ask others for help.
Lot's of saddens and sorrow just not the time for government to be placing even more burdens on the people,there is just certain people that will snap.
Well Annie nice talking to you kiddo,did not mean to over look your question blame it on old age. ~ ~ Rose







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